In the Slot Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 In that case it was arguable RNH wasn't ready to play in the NHL. Thankfully, we don't have the need to inject young draft picks into the lineup because we lack the talent in our roster currently. Sure, we'd love to see someone step up and grab the 3rd line center spot, but that could just as easily be Schroeder or Richardson rather than forcing Horvat into it just because he's our first top 10 draft pick since Hodgson. If they're ready and they outplay anyone else vying for the sale role, more power to them and give them a jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 very few are every ready physically and mentally and its a great way to destroy a very talented player in both those areas... failures when used to sucess mess with their heads, limited playing time, errors, not being able to contribute the way he may be used to in junior. physically, as another post said, Nugent Hopkins is a poster child for putting a kid in with a ton of talent but not there yet physically to handle men with 45 lbs on him and just as fast... its stupid...unless the kid is top 3 pick/can't miss who was just soo dominant in junior its better to let them develop their games and physical strength. ie a guy like crosby, malkin, ovy, tavares, etc... they guys we have - Horvat, Gaunce are not ready to have their confidence hammered and aren't showing the tenacity physically to be able to handle it. If they were knocking guys over sure, yes they are 'big' but are they kid big or man big...they are intimidated physically out there, you can see it. Shink is not, he has a chip on his shoulder and is hitting more than those two. He is a guy who MAY be able to do it but with him I'd be worried about his size...better for him to go back to junior, dominate, and put on 20lbs then come back next year.. think long term buddy, we have 3 very talented young players no need to rush them. Look at the Sedins, they weren't ready and were awful their first 2 years, so much so people called them sisters, terrible picks, etc etc Kesler didn't play here as a rookie, played in US College then the AHL Burrow ECHL and AHL Bieksa College and AHL Edler Sweden and AHL Schnieder College and AHL see the pattern bud...there's a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xur Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 IMO Shink looks like he might be ready. BoHo needs to get faster first, he isnt good enough to warrant more then a 4-5 mins a game right now, but he has the potential. Gaunce is in a similar position as BoHo, but it is possible that Gaunce may end up just being a depth player for his career, in which case low minutes on the 4th line won't hurt his development too much. Jensen is ready for a 3rd or 4th line role. Corrado is looking ready to make the line-up. Lack looks ready to take the back-up role. Other players we have not seen in the line-up that will likely have ice time this season in my view are : Richardson, Santorelli, Archibald, and Tommernes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 RNH is/was ready talent wise...physically..no way...and its costing edmonton now and may cause him a career of repetitive injuries...not wise to rush young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Im not worried, if any young prospects make the team they are ready, our staff is evaluating them pretty heavily this offseason, im not concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shredder Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 So giving a player NHL experience isn't at all valuable to you ? Especially if the player is ready to take the next step? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 So giving a player NHL experience isn't at all valuable to you ? Especially if the player is ready to take the next step? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 RNH is/was ready talent wise...physically..no way...and its costing edmonton now and may cause him a career of repetitive injuries...not wise to rush young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industrious1 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Obviously if a player is just bursting with talent and absolutely destroys his junior league he should be given a shot. However its been awhile since the 'Nucks have had something like that in the cupboard and I think a lot more players have been ruined being rushed into the NHL (*cough* Columbus *cough*)rather than a player spending his time in the A or junior to hone his abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Obviously if a player is just bursting with talent and absolutely destroys his junior league he should be given a shot. However its been awhile since the 'Nucks have had something like that in the cupboard and I think a lot more players have been ruined being rushed into the NHL (*cough* Columbus *cough*)rather than a player spending his time in the A or junior to hone his abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 RNH and Hall have both said that their shoulder injuries are old ones from their junior days.Learning the ropes in the minors is for the risk adverse. The good players will be good in the NHL if given the chance. The junior system in north america is good enough that it should be spitting out NHL ready prospects. If you need more than one season in the AHL, then your chances of making the big club are slim. It doesn't take 5 years to re-learn a game that you have excelled at at every level you have played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industrious1 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The case could be made for 18 year olds being thrown into the NHL and succeeding ie John Tavares/Stamkos although not immediately. There will always be cases of where it works and where it fails. It all depends on how the coaching staff deploys players. And how the players react when given the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Jensen and possibly Tommernes for a few NHL games. Schroeder,Lack and a long shot in Jensen to stick around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Only if they outplay the vets, which is unlikely. Why waste a year of ECL on what the team already has committed to? Brendan, Hunter and Bo are set to have a great year on their jr teams and possibly winning a gold medal for Canada in the WJC. Schroeder, Corrado, Lack and possibly Jensen make the team. The others either back to Jrs or AHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabatoge95 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I'm hoping Jensen and Gaunce can make the team. Horvat and Shinkaruk should wait 1 or 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Just think back to the changes you probably went through from 18~21/22 yrs old. Physically & mentally, so hard to be ready at 18. I'd say hold'em back 'til 19, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It is but it is still statistically improbable for a player to go from the junior ranks straight into the NHL, at any age. The 'risk adverse' you are referring to are NHL GMs, player development mangers, and coaches. The risk they are adverse to is losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Well yeah, using players like JT or Stammer as examples makes bringing an 18 year old into the league seem like a great idea 9 times out of 10. The problem is we aren't drafting guys like Tavares or Crosby or Hall so fast tracking an 18 year old that isn't ready will more than likely lead you to a Daigle type situation rather than a Stamkos type situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I'm all for moving the draft a year later. It would mean every team has a better chance at adding an impact player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Nothing worse then biting into a green apple. I'd like to wait till its sweet and delicious rather then forcing the sour one down my throat. Cause I'm hungry now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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