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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:39 AM

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I, for one, am very worried about the quality of the Canucks' lineup going in to this season. The Canucks have had many troubles with the California teams, mainly San Jose, in recent memory. I do not have confidence in the Canucks' abilities to be able to defeat such teams. The California teams are the most important teams to beat as all THREE will be likely very close to us in the pacific standings.

1. The first sign is Luongo's confidence. Can he stay motivated and focused as the Canucks fight for a playoff spot with powerhouses such as the Sharks, Kings, Ducks, and Oilers?

Edmonton, for example, has been able to expose Luongo many times in the past and make him look sub par out there...

I think Luongo should give up twitter. Even Tortorella himself admitted it was a big distraction to a team trying to win especially with his often controversial comments. Sure, he gives his fans the occasional laugh, but is it worth costing the Canucks games? You be the judge.

2. The second sign is the uncertainty of center depth going in to the season. If Santorelli doesn't work out, who do the Canucks have? Schroeder, an undersized, one-dimensional center with a poor faceoff ability? Horvat, an undeveloped rookie who can't at this moment play at the nhl level? Dalpe, a recently acquired player known for his lack of defensive ability? Richardson, a 4th line center without the skill required to play on the third line?

3. Another sign is secondary scoring... Can we really rely on Higgins, Kesler, and Hansen as the guys to effectively chip in behind the Sedins? Higgins seems to be able to only provide offense suitable for a 3rd liner, Kesler only has a season high of SEVENTEEN even strength goals, and Jannik Hansen is only good for 40-50 points max in a season... The Canucks have lacked an effective second line for a very long time and it makes you wonder if that's a big reason as to why the Canucks haven't gone far in the playoffs these last two years..

I'm quite worried going in to this season and question whether the Canucks even have the ability to make the playoffs much less advance past the first round. Let's hope Tortorella has something magic up his sleeve or expect severe disappointment like the last two years..

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:49 AM

I, for one, am very worried about the quality of the Canucks' lineup going in to this season. The Canucks have had many troubles with the California teams, mainly San Jose, in recent memory. I do not have confidence in the Canucks' abilities to be able to defeat such teams. The California teams are the most important teams to beat as all THREE will be likely very close to us in the pacific standings.

1. The first sign is Luongo's confidence. Can he stay motivated and focused as the Canucks fight for a playoff spot with powerhouses such as the Sharks, Kings, Ducks, and Oilers?

Edmonton, for example, has been able to expose Luongo many times in the past and make him look sub par out there...

I think Luongo should give up twitter. Even Tortorella himself admitted it was a big distraction to a team trying to win especially with his often controversial comments. Sure, he gives his fans the occasional laugh, but is it worth costing the Canucks games? You be the judge.

2. The second sign is the uncertainty of center depth going in to the season. If Santorelli doesn't work out, who do the Canucks have? Schroeder, an undersized, one-dimensional center with a poor faceoff ability? Horvat, an undeveloped rookie who can't at this moment play at the nhl level? Dalpe, a recently acquired player known for his lack of defensive ability? Richardson, a 4th line center without the skill required to play on the third line?

3. Another sign is secondary scoring... Can we really rely on Higgins, Kesler, and Hansen as the guys to effectively chip in behind the Sedins? Higgins seems to be able to only provide offense suitable for a 3rd liner, Kesler only has a season high of SEVENTEEN even strength goals, and Jannik Hansen is only good for 40-50 points max in a season... The Canucks have lacked an effective second line for a very long time and it makes you wonder if that's a big reason as to why the Canucks haven't gone far in the playoffs these last two years..

I'm quite worried going in to this season and question whether the Canucks even have the ability to make the playoffs much less advance past the first round. Let's hope Tortorella has something magic up his sleeve or expect severe disappointment like the last two years..


LOL, wasn't there a banned dposter that made a very title for another Canucks thread?


There was one that I could remember that was like "A Cautionary Tale"
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So we are officially in a bit of a silly season, and in general I stay away from the completely crazy rumors that persist on the internet, or in the case of the Leafs having interest in Nabokov or Turco I will occasionally debunk them...however, I have been getting inundated with emails, PMs, and questions on twitter regarding a few rumors that are out there...so here goes.. I will address the rumors and follow with what I have or haven't heard...If you all like this format, maybe Wacky Wednesdays could be a regular feature. I wouldn't do it more than once a week, because I am too busy talking to actual sources and attempting to provide you all with as much unique information as possible.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:49 AM

Smells like King of the BS.


Yeah, King of ES.. he probably made a thread similar to this...
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So we are officially in a bit of a silly season, and in general I stay away from the completely crazy rumors that persist on the internet, or in the case of the Leafs having interest in Nabokov or Turco I will occasionally debunk them...however, I have been getting inundated with emails, PMs, and questions on twitter regarding a few rumors that are out there...so here goes.. I will address the rumors and follow with what I have or haven't heard...If you all like this format, maybe Wacky Wednesdays could be a regular feature. I wouldn't do it more than once a week, because I am too busy talking to actual sources and attempting to provide you all with as much unique information as possible.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:51 AM

There seems to be a lot of complaints about the title of the thread, so I'll change it.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:53 AM

If we want a CUP then this is what we need to do:

D.Sedin Kesler Burrows
Higgins H.Sedin Kassian
Booth Santorelli Hansen
Weise Richardson Dalpe/Sestito


1st PP-
D.Sedin H.Sedin Kesler

Kesler is our true #1 centre come PLAYOFFS especially. He will play in every situation along with Burrows,
You can always switch Higgy & Danny but having the Sedins being able to play with other players would add a whole new look.
They have proven they can in the past & if you're a true $6 million player you should be able to adapt...

Schroeder & Jensen are way too soft to inject into our bottom 6 So come trade deadline (or before preferably, asap) we need to replace Sestito with a true heavy weight with some respect eg, C.Neil, Fraser, Big Mac, Orr etc. as well as another to replace a Santorelli like a true 3rd line centre with bite/grit/stiffness/heart...eg. S.Ott, Bolland, K.Brodziak, J.Stoll, Morrow,Handzus Hanzel, etc. & add another Carcillo, Eager, Prust Torres type just cause you can never have enough of them in a deep PLayoff run. And oh yes a Willie Mitchell, Scuderi type on Defence... =LORD STANLEY

I, for one, am very worried about the quality of the Canucks' lineup going in to this season. The Canucks have had many troubles with the California teams, mainly San Jose, in recent memory. I do not have confidence in the Canucks' abilities to be able to defeat such teams. The California teams are the most important teams to beat as all THREE will be likely very close to us in the pacific standings.

1. The first sign is Luongo's confidence. Can he stay motivated and focused as the Canucks fight for a playoff spot with powerhouses such as the Sharks, Kings, Ducks, and Oilers?

Edmonton, for example, has been able to expose Luongo many times in the past and make him look sub par out there...

I think Luongo should give up twitter. Even Tortorella himself admitted it was a big distraction to a team trying to win especially with his often controversial comments. Sure, he gives his fans the occasional laugh, but is it worth costing the Canucks games? You be the judge.

2. The second sign is the uncertainty of center depth going in to the season. If Santorelli doesn't work out, who do the Canucks have? Schroeder, an undersized, one-dimensional center with a poor faceoff ability? Horvat, an undeveloped rookie who can't at this moment play at the nhl level? Dalpe, a recently acquired player known for his lack of defensive ability? Richardson, a 4th line center without the skill required to play on the third line?

3. Another sign is secondary scoring... Can we really rely on Higgins, Kesler, and Hansen as the guys to effectively chip in behind the Sedins? Higgins seems to be able to only provide offense suitable for a 3rd liner, Kesler only has a season high of SEVENTEEN even strength goals, and Jannik Hansen is only good for 40-50 points max in a season... The Canucks have lacked an effective second line for a very long time and it makes you wonder if that's a big reason as to why the Canucks haven't gone far in the playoffs these last two years..

I'm quite worried going in to this season and question whether the Canucks even have the ability to make the playoffs much less advance past the first round. Let's hope Tortorella has something magic up his sleeve or expect severe disappointment like the last two years..

If we want a CUP then this is what we need to do:

D.Sedin Kesler Burrows
Higgins H.Sedin Kassian
Booth Santorelli Hansen
Weise Richardson Dalpe/Sestito


1st PP-
D.Sedin H.Sedin Kesler

Kesler is our true #1 centre come PLAYOFFS especially. He will play in every situation along with Burrows,
You can always switch Higgy & Danny but having the Sedins being able to play with other players would add a whole new look.
They have proven they can in the past & if you're a true $6 million player you should be able to adapt...

Schroeder & Jensen are way too soft to inject into our bottom 6 So come trade deadline (or before preferably, asap) we need to replace Sestito with a true heavy weight with some respect eg, C.Neil, Fraser, Big Mac, Orr etc. as well as another to replace a Santorelli like a true 3rd line centre with bite/grit/stiffness/heart...eg. S.Ott, Bolland, K.Brodziak, J.Stoll, Morrow,Handzus Hanzel, etc. & add another Carcillo, Eager, Prust Torres type just cause you can never have enough of them in a deep PLayoff run. And oh yes a Willie Mitchell, Scuderi type on Defence... =LORD STANLEY
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:54 AM

There seems to be a lot of complaints about the title of the thread, so I'll change it.


Ok, I'll bite... I think that if you have an opinion and are willing to explain why... you deserve to be heard.
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So we are officially in a bit of a silly season, and in general I stay away from the completely crazy rumors that persist on the internet, or in the case of the Leafs having interest in Nabokov or Turco I will occasionally debunk them...however, I have been getting inundated with emails, PMs, and questions on twitter regarding a few rumors that are out there...so here goes.. I will address the rumors and follow with what I have or haven't heard...If you all like this format, maybe Wacky Wednesdays could be a regular feature. I wouldn't do it more than once a week, because I am too busy talking to actual sources and attempting to provide you all with as much unique information as possible.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:55 AM

If we want a CUP then this is what we need to do:

D.Sedin Kesler Burrows
Higgins H.Sedin Kassian
Booth Santorelli Hansen
Weise Richardson Dalpe/Sestito


1st PP-
D.Sedin H.Sedin Kesler

Kesler is our true #1 centre come PLAYOFFS especially. He will play in every situation along with Burrows,
You can always switch Higgy & Danny but having the Sedins being able to play with other players would add a whole new look.
They have proven they can in the past & if you're a true $6 million player you should be able to adapt...

Schroeder & Jensen are way too soft to inject into our bottom 6 So come trade deadline (or before preferably, asap) we need to replace Sestito with a true heavy weight with some respect eg, C.Neil, Fraser, Big Mac, Orr etc. as well as another to replace a Santorelli like a true 3rd line centre with bite/grit/stiffness/heart...eg. S.Ott, Bolland, K.Brodziak, J.Stoll, Morrow,Handzus Hanzel, etc. & add another Carcillo, Eager, Prust Torres type just cause you can never have enough of them in a deep PLayoff run. And oh yes a Willie Mitchell, Scuderi type on Defence... =LORD STANLEY
If we want a CUP then this is what we need to do:

D.Sedin Kesler Burrows
Higgins H.Sedin Kassian
Booth Santorelli Hansen
Weise Richardson Dalpe/Sestito


1st PP-
D.Sedin H.Sedin Kesler

Kesler is our true #1 centre come PLAYOFFS especially. He will play in every situation along with Burrows,
You can always switch Higgy & Danny but having the Sedins being able to play with other players would add a whole new look.
They have proven they can in the past & if you're a true $6 million player you should be able to adapt...

Schroeder & Jensen are way too soft to inject into our bottom 6 So come trade deadline (or before preferably, asap) we need to replace Sestito with a true heavy weight with some respect eg, C.Neil, Fraser, Big Mac, Orr etc. as well as another to replace a Santorelli like a true 3rd line centre with bite/grit/stiffness/heart...eg. S.Ott, Bolland, K.Brodziak, J.Stoll, Morrow,Handzus Hanzel, etc. & add another Carcillo, Eager, Prust Torres type just cause you can never have enough of them in a deep PLayoff run. And oh yes a Willie Mitchell, Scuderi type on Defence... =LORD STANLEY


Don't mind that lineup. But can we rely on Kassian and Higgins to provide sufficient secondary scoring? This I worry about.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:59 AM

If people are worried then dont watch, all this negativity is simply ruining the moods of people who have waited ages to see their team back in action. Man this city is full of so many people who watch games with cautious optimism, you must be real fun to watch a game with at a bar......
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:59 AM

Remember people, the Twitterless Luongo was one of the if not the best goalie in the league at the time. His Save percentage and GAA will improve if he gives up twitter.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 01:01 AM

Stopped reading after saw "Oilers" and "power houses" in the same sentence :lol:


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 01:02 AM

Remember people, the Twitterless Luongo was one of the if not the best goalie in the league at the time. His Save percentage and GAA will improve if he gives up twitter.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 01:20 AM

Don't mind that lineup. But can we rely on Kassian and Higgins to provide sufficient secondary scoring? This I worry about.

Booth?
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 01:43 AM

Torts says it is going to take some time for the new systems to become instinct. But I like what I see. Just give the team some time.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 02:03 AM

This team has not had a second line since Samuelsson lit it up but Booth can fill that gap.Now or never.
Twitter is a form of social expression.Management should get with the concept of freedom and expression.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 02:06 AM

Not often that I agree with nuck nit, but definitely, twitter if anything has helped Lu with his emotional confidence in freedom of expression.

Tweet on, lil' Lu.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 02:06 AM

Remember people, the Twitterless Luongo was one of the if not the best goalie in the league at the time. His Save percentage and GAA will improve if he gives up twitter.

I hope Luo tweets to his heart's content.
The Canucks media control center needs to grow up and accept they don't own it all-especially personal expression.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 02:17 AM

I hope Luo tweets to his heart's content.
The Canucks media control center needs to grow up and accept they don't own it all-especially personal expression.

Luongo can tweet a link to AV and Ebbet's sex tape if it helps him improve his playoff consistency.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 02:33 AM

Whats the point of making negative threads like this? Are we supposed to speculate on this crap?

Remember people, the Twitterless Luongo was one of the if not the best goalie in the league at the time. His Save percentage and GAA will improve if he gives up twitter.


Correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation.

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Remember people, the Twitterless Luongo was one of the if not the best goalie in the league at the time. His Save percentage and GAA will improve if he gives up twitter.


Stop.

Take a deep breath.

Now repeat after me:

"I accept that the Canucks success or failure is something I cannot control.

I will stop posting insane theories on the internet to placate my fears.

Hockey is a complex, multifaceted sport with no easy answers."

Repeat until the urge to blame Twitter for all Luongo's struggles subsides.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:20 AM

You're worried because a lot of people worry about things and you are one of them. Chill out, enjoy the game.
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I, for one, am very worried about the quality of the Canucks' lineup going in to this season. The Canucks have had many troubles with the California teams, mainly San Jose, in recent memory. I do not have confidence in the Canucks' abilities to be able to defeat such teams. The California teams are the most important teams to beat as all THREE will be likely very close to us in the pacific standings.

1. The first sign is Luongo's confidence. Can he stay motivated and focused as the Canucks fight for a playoff spot with powerhouses such as the Sharks, Kings, Ducks, and Oilers?

Edmonton, for example, has been able to expose Luongo many times in the past and make him look sub par out there...

I think Luongo should give up twitter. Even Tortorella himself admitted it was a big distraction to a team trying to win especially with his often controversial comments. Sure, he gives his fans the occasional laugh, but is it worth costing the Canucks games? You be the judge.

2. The second sign is the uncertainty of center depth going in to the season. If Santorelli doesn't work out, who do the Canucks have? Schroeder, an undersized, one-dimensional center with a poor faceoff ability? Horvat, an undeveloped rookie who can't at this moment play at the nhl level? Dalpe, a recently acquired player known for his lack of defensive ability? Richardson, a 4th line center without the skill required to play on the third line?

3. Another sign is secondary scoring... Can we really rely on Higgins, Kesler, and Hansen as the guys to effectively chip in behind the Sedins? Higgins seems to be able to only provide offense suitable for a 3rd liner, Kesler only has a season high of SEVENTEEN even strength goals, and Jannik Hansen is only good for 40-50 points max in a season... The Canucks have lacked an effective second line for a very long time and it makes you wonder if that's a big reason as to why the Canucks haven't gone far in the playoffs these last two years..

I'm quite worried going in to this season and question whether the Canucks even have the ability to make the playoffs much less advance past the first round. Let's hope Tortorella has something magic up his sleeve or expect severe disappointment like the last two years..


Okay, I'll bite.

1. Luongo will be just fine. Even if he still wants out of here, the only way that will happen is if he plays lights out. As far a Twitter - it's a way for him to "release". You obviously didn't play hockey and definitely weren't a goalie like I was and my daughter was. If I can coin a phrase one of my daughter's coaches used (I coached Ringette as well for over 10 years), it takes a certain wing nut to have success as a goalie.

2. Centers...no idea...we're in the same league as other teams and in case you didn't notice, there was a Cap crunch this year...

3. Yes, we can rely on the rest of the team to pick up some slack with secondary scoring. The team is going to be a different under Torts and I think he's going to motivate a few of the lads to play more at their potential.

4. I'm quite worried about the lack of commitment some fans here on CDC have - if you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen please and let the rest of us enjoy the fine food and drink.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 07:35 AM

When your team has not improved from last years team which got crushed, there is something to worry about.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 07:58 AM

I, for one, am very worried about the quality of the Canucks' lineup going in to this season. The Canucks have had many troubles with the California teams, mainly San Jose, in recent memory. I do not have confidence in the Canucks' abilities to be able to defeat such teams. The California teams are the most important teams to beat as all THREE will be likely very close to us in the pacific standings.

1. The first sign is Luongo's confidence. Can he stay motivated and focused as the Canucks fight for a playoff spot with powerhouses such as the Sharks, Kings, Ducks, and Oilers?

Edmonton, for example, has been able to expose Luongo many times in the past and make him look sub par out there...

I think Luongo should give up twitter. Even Tortorella himself admitted it was a big distraction to a team trying to win especially with his often controversial comments. Sure, he gives his fans the occasional laugh, but is it worth costing the Canucks games? You be the judge.

2. The second sign is the uncertainty of center depth going in to the season. If Santorelli doesn't work out, who do the Canucks have? Schroeder, an undersized, one-dimensional center with a poor faceoff ability? Horvat, an undeveloped rookie who can't at this moment play at the nhl level? Dalpe, a recently acquired player known for his lack of defensive ability? Richardson, a 4th line center without the skill required to play on the third line?

3. Another sign is secondary scoring... Can we really rely on Higgins, Kesler, and Hansen as the guys to effectively chip in behind the Sedins? Higgins seems to be able to only provide offense suitable for a 3rd liner, Kesler only has a season high of SEVENTEEN even strength goals, and Jannik Hansen is only good for 40-50 points max in a season... The Canucks have lacked an effective second line for a very long time and it makes you wonder if that's a big reason as to why the Canucks haven't gone far in the playoffs these last two years..

I'm quite worried going in to this season and question whether the Canucks even have the ability to make the playoffs much less advance past the first round. Let's hope Tortorella has something magic up his sleeve or expect severe disappointment like the last two years..

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#27 aqua59

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 07:59 AM

Okay, I'll bite.

1. Luongo will be just fine. Even if he still wants out of here, the only way that will happen is if he plays lights out. As far a Twitter - it's a way for him to "release". You obviously didn't play hockey and definitely weren't a goalie like I was and my daughter was. If I can coin a phrase one of my daughter's coaches used (I coached Ringette as well for over 10 years), it takes a certain wing nut to have success as a goalie.

2. Centers...no idea...we're in the same league as other teams and in case you didn't notice, there was a Cap crunch this year...

3. Yes, we can rely on the rest of the team to pick up some slack with secondary scoring. The team is going to be a different under Torts and I think he's going to motivate a few of the lads to play more at their potential.

4. I'm quite worried about the lack of commitment some fans here on CDC have - if you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen please and let the rest of us enjoy the fine food and drink.

Well put, like I've stated its an entertainment sport.Don't worry.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:10 AM

Why I am worried about going in to the 2013/2014 season with the lineup we have.

Simply put.

You're a nancy boy with no optimism and the same tragic complaints as those Leaf Centric Shills on TSN. Grow an opinion of your own and start cheering for your team already
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Dallas 7th in the west

Vancouver 11th.

 

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:13 AM

This is the best lineup we've had since 2010-11. Luongo will be fine and we have 4 centres (Santorelli, Richardson, Schroeder and Dalpe) for 2 bottom 6 jobs. Hopefully one of Schroeder, Santorelli or Dalpe can get the job done on the 3rd line, and the other two can have spot duty in some other capacity. If we have a viable second line this year, the third will fall into place, and the secondary scoring will come with it. Our power play will almost certainly be better also. My main concerns are whether the team re-establishes an identity, that is, a strong sense of what kind of game it plays, and whether we can hold up physically and injury wise, given that the league won't be doing us any favours, especially come playoff time.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 09:59 AM

When your team has not improved from last years team which got crushed, there is something to worry about.


Exactly what vast improvement did you expect with the cap dropping? I see starting the year with a healthy Kesler a huge improvement over the past two years on it's own. There's improved center depth, D depth is fairly good, and Jensen is probably the best call up option we've had for a couple of years. Come playoffs Shink, Horvat and Gaunce are available for depth as well. I think we're in better shape than the last two seasons.
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