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Posted 07 October 2013 - 07:05 PM

For any who are interested, doesn't really need an explanation.


Facebook site for the Vancouver protest:

https://www.facebook...58912147557584/

List of protests around the world:

http://occupy-monsanto.com/


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Posted 07 October 2013 - 07:15 PM

Is Monsanto actually effecting us Canadians...?
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 07:17 PM

yes Monsanto "affects" Canadians. That company screws farmers each and every day.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 07:19 PM

Not judging the value of the march, but I find it ironic that the overwhelming majority of those who dislike Monsanto would generally be in dire need of nourishment if it were not for GMO foods feeding the 7.116 billion human mouths on the planet. If we did not manipulate the gene pool of food plants we would not harvest enough globally to feed everyone, and as we all know by the time we are four that would lead to only the ones who can afford to pay, eating today. Generally we have a lot of cheap cereal crops right now and generally that is due to some gene manipulation to help us harvest plenty.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 07:29 PM

Not judging the value of the march, but I find it ironic that the overwhelming majority of those who dislike Monsanto would generally be in dire need of nourishment if it were not for GMO foods feeding the 7.116 billion human mouths on the planet. If we did not manipulate the gene pool of food plants we would not harvest enough globally to feed everyone, and as we all know by the time we are four that would lead to only the ones who can afford to pay, eating today. Generally we have a lot of cheap cereal crops right now and generally that is due to some gene manipulation to help us harvest plenty.

The only products they sell that are gmo are round up ready. Which means that you can spray round up to kill the weeds. But now that weve been doing that for 30 years now, weeds are becoming immune to it. so in 20 years this whole Roundup ready crap is going to be useless. We can grow these crops without this addition. It helps the environment and it means less control from 1 company owning all our food sources.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 07:38 PM

Not interested thank you. I like Frankenfoods.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 07:46 PM

Without GMOS we'd be starving...and even though Monsato goes about it in the wrong way, theyre still doing it and helping us feed our growing population
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 08:18 PM

The only products they sell that are gmo are round up ready. Which means that you can spray round up to kill the weeds. But now that weve been doing that for 30 years now, weeds are becoming immune to it. so in 20 years this whole Roundup ready crap is going to be useless. We can grow these crops without this addition. It helps the environment and it means less control from 1 company owning all our food sources.


The funny thing is that Round Up is far less dangerous than the crap they sprayed on crops in the past.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 08:30 PM

Without GMOS we'd be starving...and even though Monsato goes about it in the wrong way, theyre still doing it and helping us feed our growing population


Nah bro.

Its all about the money.
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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:16 PM

Not judging the value of the march, but I find it ironic that the overwhelming majority of those who dislike Monsanto would generally be in dire need of nourishment if it were not for GMO foods feeding the 7.116 billion human mouths on the planet. If we did not manipulate the gene pool of food plants we would not harvest enough globally to feed everyone, and as we all know by the time we are four that would lead to only the ones who can afford to pay, eating today. Generally we have a lot of cheap cereal crops right now and generally that is due to some gene manipulation to help us harvest plenty.


I strongly disagree. Monsanto has no actual interest in feeding starving nations, much less for free. According to worldhunger.org, 817 million people (roughly 1/8th) on this planet go undernourished. These people who starve, do so because they have no money to buy food, not because there is not enough food. I'm sure the rulers of these starving countries have no worries finding food. To further prove my point, Monsanto genetically modifies some seeds that expire every year (they don't reproduce seeds). They also enforce strict rules in their contracts that dictate they cannot use their seeds after a year. Monsanto has aggresively sued and bankrupted many famers for reusing seed from past years, putting them out of business. Now tell me this, if Monsanto truly cared about feeding the world, why would they genetically modify a seed to not reproduce more seeds? You think they would make a seed that would reproduce more, in order to feed more. Monsanto also sues farmers who have GM's grow in their crops by accident. Because Monsanto owns the patent, if one of their patents is found on a farm, say in a an organic field, Monsanto sues them for patent violation and their entire crop can be destroyed because it would be impossible to sort them all out. These are not the type of actions you would expect from a company that says it's out to solve world hunger.

The reason I want GM foods labelled is because I don't want to support this company, and I personally don't beleive it is healthy for you. I have a right as a consumer to know how my food is produced and what is in it.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:39 PM

The only products they sell that are gmo are round up ready. Which means that you can spray round up to kill the weeds. But now that weve been doing that for 30 years now, weeds are becoming immune to it. so in 20 years this whole Roundup ready crap is going to be useless. We can grow these crops without this addition. It helps the environment and it means less control from 1 company owning all our food sources.


Just to be clear, round-up isn't the only thing they sell. They sell the seeds that are genetically modified to be immune to Round Up. As revealed by the Washington Post in April 2013, side affects of Round Up to humans are already starting to surfice, as all the 'Non-Monsanto' funded studies of it are showing links to cancer, infertility and Parkinson's. Although these side effects may be seen in other pesticides and weed killers, it just shows that it isn't as safe as Monsanto claims it to be.

http://articles.wash...bicide-monsanto

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Posted 08 October 2013 - 06:19 AM

Just to be clear, round-up isn't the only thing they sell. They sell the seeds that are genetically modified to be immune to Round Up. As revealed by the Washington Post in April 2013, side affects of Round Up to humans are already starting to surfice, as all the 'Non-Monsanto' funded studies of it are showing links to cancer, infertility and Parkinson's. Although these side effects may be seen in other pesticides and weed killers, it just shows that it isn't as safe as Monsanto claims it to be.

http://articles.wash...bicide-monsanto


The "study" is absolute rubbish (link here). It is simply a list of speculations that are not support by any experimental evidence.
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:15 AM

I love Round up
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 07:30 AM

So check this out

In an obscene development, a Monsanto executive is winning this year’s “Nobel Prize of agriculture” -- the prestigious World Food Prize -- for creating GMOs. Receiving it legitimizes the sort of rampant genetic modification Monsanto pioneered, and helps validate a ruthless business model that impoverishes farmers and monopolizes our food.

If that wasn't baffling enough, the founder of Syngenta, the same biotech giant joining Bayer in suing Europe to keep selling bee-killing pesticides, will also win the prize -- and with it, a share of the $250,000 prize money. We cannot allow this prize to legitimize frankenfoods and bee killers. The ceremony is in just over a week, so we need to act now.

Tell the World Food Prize Foundation not to reward Monsanto and bee-killer Syngenta’s outrageous practices.



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Posted 08 October 2013 - 08:12 AM

yes Monsanto "affects" Canadians. That company screws farmers each and every day.


That's bad.
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 08:15 AM

Without GMOS we'd be starving...and even though Monsato goes about it in the wrong way, theyre still doing it and helping us feed our growing population


I doubt it.

"But that’s not actually the case. A new peer-reviewed study published in theInternational Journal of Agricultural Sustainability examined those claims and found that conventional plant breeding, not genetic engineering, is responsible for yield increases in major U.S. crops. Additionally, GM crops, also known as genetically engineered (GE) crops, can’t even take credit for reductions in pesticide use. The study’s lead author, Jack Heinemann, is not an anti-biotechnology activist, as Monsanto might want you to believe. “I'm a genetic engineer. But there is a different between being a genetic engineer and selling a product that is genetically engineered,” he states."

http://www.alternet....m-crop-promises
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Posted 08 October 2013 - 09:23 AM

Round ups active ingredient is Glyphosate. Monsantos last patent on Glyphosate expired in 2000. Since then and continuing now it is being produced by many companies around the world.

It is less toxic than the herbicides it replaced and has been approved by regulatory bodies around the world. Its effect on humans and the environment is still questioned. SO we want a herbicide that when its not doing exactly what we want is completely inert. Maybe we should expect it to smell like fresh cinnamon buns when we spray it while we are at it.

To further prove my point, Monsanto genetically modifies some seeds that expire every year (they don't reproduce seeds). They also enforce strict rules in their contracts that dictate they cannot use their seeds after a year. Monsanto has aggresively sued and bankrupted many famers for reusing seed from past years, putting them out of business. Now tell me this, if Monsanto truly cared about feeding the world, why would they genetically modify a seed to not reproduce more seeds?


In 1999 Monsanto pledged to not commercialize what are known as terminator seeds ( seeds that produce crops with sterile seeds) and have stood by that pledge to this day even acquiring the Delta and Pine Land Company in 2007 when that company was about to commercialize their own terminator seeds Im not saying Monsanto did this for reasons beyond making money but that they did do this is unquestionable.

It seems to me that a lot of the people that sling arrows at Monsanto do so with very little knowledge of what they are talking about. Im not saying Monsanto is a good company (whatever that actually means) or a company that shouldnt be closely watched or even investigated regularly. Im just saying many of the critical statements made about them are unfounded.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:03 AM

Not judging the value of the march, but I find it ironic that the overwhelming majority of those who dislike Monsanto would generally be in dire need of nourishment if it were not for GMO foods feeding the 7.116 billion human mouths on the planet. If we did not manipulate the gene pool of food plants we would not harvest enough globally to feed everyone, and as we all know by the time we are four that would lead to only the ones who can afford to pay, eating today. Generally we have a lot of cheap cereal crops right now and generally that is due to some gene manipulation to help us harvest plenty.

Without GMOS we'd be starving...and even though Monsato goes about it in the wrong way, theyre still doing it and helping us feed our growing population


Completely unfounded and untrue. Most farmers who've reverted to traditional farming practices without GMO seeds and chemical fertilizers and pesti/herbicides have largely had increased yields. Particularly over the long term as the crop rotation and "rest" periods are much smaller over the years. There's plenty of food out there for the entire world and then some.

Nah bro.

Its all about the money.


Indeed. Let me sell you these seeds...but then you'll need this pesticide and this herbicide and since that will strip all the nutrients out of your soil, we'll sell you this chemical fertilizer.... :rolleyes:

All about money. If any of you folks think they're doing any of this to "help farmers" or "feed the world" or any other such cockamamie... :picard: Regardless of how you feel personally about GMO crops or chemical fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides and their effects on humans or the enviornment, you should be against Monsanto on the simple grounds of their attempts to manipulate and monopolize our farming and food production and profiting off that manipluation at the expense of our food systems.

Edited by J.R., 09 October 2013 - 11:03 AM.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:38 AM

Monsanto also sues farmers who have GM's grow in their crops by accident.


Prove this or stop spreading lies, please.
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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:50 AM

Prove this or stop spreading lies, please.

http://thegranddisil...anto-vs-farmer/ http://www.cbsnews.c...62-4048288.html These are examples of Monsanto sueing farmers. Theres a lot more out there and the fact pointed earlier. You buy there seed, u then need to buy pesticides, herbicides and chemical fertilizers from Monsanto also otherwise your screwed. These crops have started producing smaller yields per acre than what can be done "organically" but the difference is they can do it year in year out while organic is done on a 3-5 year rotation. One year corn, the next year soy, the next year empty. then repeat. Go watch Food Inc to get a better idea how farmers are treated in this world. We feed the world and are paid like crap. While these multinational corporations run our lives.
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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:19 PM

http://thegranddisil...anto-vs-farmer/ http://www.cbsnews.c...62-4048288.html These are examples of Monsanto sueing farmers. Theres a lot more out there and the fact pointed earlier. You buy there seed, u then need to buy pesticides, herbicides and chemical fertilizers from Monsanto also otherwise your screwed. These crops have started producing smaller yields per acre than what can be done "organically" but the difference is they can do it year in year out while organic is done on a 3-5 year rotation. One year corn, the next year soy, the next year empty. then repeat. Go watch Food Inc to get a better idea how farmers are treated in this world. We feed the world and are paid like crap. While these multinational corporations run our lives.


Did you read your sources?

Source 1: Schmieser was found guilty by the Supreme Court of Canada. He was doing nothing by accident. From the very first paragraph of the case summary:

The case drew worldwide attention and is widely misunderstood to concern what happens when farmers' fields are accidentally contaminated with patented seed. However by the time the case went to trial, all claims had been dropped that related to patented seed in the field that was contaminated in 1997; the court only considered the GM canola in Schmeiser's 1998 fields, which Schmeiser had intentionally concentrated and planted from his 1997 harvest. Regarding his 1998 crop, Schmeiser did not put forward any defence of accidental contamination.



Source 2: There are no lawsuits here...

Edited by Johnny Debt, 09 October 2013 - 04:20 PM.

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