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#1 Grapes-N-Canucks

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:29 PM

http://www.nhl.com/i...id=nhl:topheads If it wasn't for Buffalo, they'd be last in the East. Downie is out indefinitely after one game, Lecavalier is cut, Pronger is toast and they can't keep the puck out of the net. At least Ray Emery can fight. If I was Braden Holtby, I'd be looking to hone my fighting skills on my teammates. Holtby was getting his ass handed to him and nobody came to help him. Bummer...Late-
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:32 PM

I found that fight with Emery and Holtby stupid. Emery jumped him, as usual, the hothead that he is. Nobody came to help him because the ref's were making sure no third man jumped in, if you watched the video.
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:35 PM

...And now Emery is not getting suspended for that...What?!
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:36 PM

...And now Emery is not getting suspended for that...What?!


In before "because he's not a Canuck".
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:39 PM

Schenn's also a coward for having his visor on. This isn't the first time he's done that, but Urbom still beat him. Washington should have had people help Holtby, even if it were someone from the bench. Having a goalie beat like that, could have been dangerous. Lots of shots at the back of the head. It's also assault from Emery. He said it himself, Holtby didn't want to fight, but Emery told him he had no choice. Ref was being a idiot and should have jumped in. Should also be disciplined.

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:40 PM

I did watch the video. Third man or not, if I'm his teammate watching him get crushed, I jump in. Holtby took LOTS of punches, after awhile you gotta get in there. Late-
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:41 PM

I did watch the video. Third man or not, if I'm his teammate watching him get crushed, I jump in. Holtby took LOTS of punches, after awhile you gotta get in there. Late-


Exactly. It doesn't even matter if you get 10 games suspension. Considering how Holtby was, he could have easily been concussed and out for the season. Terrible teammates.
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:43 PM

Yeah, I agree that someone SHOULD have jumped in. It seems the ref's were trying to calm the situation down as much as possible. Everyone had a man. I feel bad for Holtby, he didn't even have a chance to take off his gloves before Emery was jumping him, throwing punches.
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:44 PM

Emery is a coward. If someone cheap-shots one of your players, you have a right to fight them without their consent. However, Holtby had not done anything wrong, and Emery suckered him. Holtby didn't even have his blocker or glove off . Impossible to defend yourself when you cannot grab on to the other guys jersey (the whole point of the tie-down rule).

I'd like to see, as Eliotte Friedman mentioned, a big fine for the Flyers organization.
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:47 PM

Yeah, I agree that someone SHOULD have jumped in. It seems the ref's were trying to calm the situation down as much as possible. Everyone had a man. I feel bad for Holtby, he didn't even have a chance to take off his gloves before Emery was jumping him, throwing punches.


I kind of saw it the other way. St. Laurent or whatever his name is basically tried to prevent the Caps players from jumping in to help Holtby. Laich was there and then the ref got between him and the goalies and Laich would have basically had to push the reft to get in and stop the fight.

I think fighting should be in the game, but last night was great fodder for those who want to see fighting out of the game.
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OMG we could've had McKeown!

I think Virtanen was a terrible pick given that he's out for 6 months which will hinder his development. You don't pick someone at #6 under that circumstance, along with the fact that he was given a 3/5 IQ (aka he's dumb). 

God dammit Benning. WHY VIRTANEN? Terrible move.

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:47 PM

Schenn's also a coward for having his visor on. This isn't the first time he's done that, but Urbom still beat him. Washington should have had people help Holtby, even if it were someone from the bench. Having a goalie beat like that, could have been dangerous. Lots of shots at the back of the head. It's also assault from Emery. He said it himself, Holtby didn't want to fight, but Emery told him he had no choice. Ref was being a idiot and should have jumped in. Should also be disciplined.

He took off Urboms helmet and started throwing after it came off. Glad Asham speedbagged him a few years back
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:48 PM

Holtby should have kept his blocker on. And I bet emery pounds on any player we have in our organization.
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:49 PM

Emery should have been suspended. He admitted Holtby verbally told him no and he said "well, be ready" and attacked. If I was shanny he would have been suspended. But the real idiot award goes to that ref!

Review of ref #38 logic:
  • Holtby rejected the fight and kept his equipment on and then got attacked by Emery and could not even get his stuff off, no issue
  • Emery is continuously punching him in the back of the head, no issue there
  • Holtby's teammates want to intervene and stop this attack, but I will not allow it because Holtby seems conscious from his continuous back of the head strikes, no issue here
  • Since I the referee works for the UFC, there is clearly no issue with hitting a downed individual
  • I am also going to stand there with my arms on my hip because my birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 03:53 PM

I kind of saw it the other way. St. Laurent or whatever his name is basically tried to prevent the Caps players from jumping in to help Holtby. Laich was there and then the ref got between him and the goalies and Laich would have basically had to push the reft to get in and stop the fight.

I think fighting should be in the game, but last night was great fodder for those who want to see fighting out of the game.

Yeah, I spoke of that in my earlier post. I agree that the Cap's players were trying to jump in, and the ref's, as I said were holding back that "third man in".
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 05:13 PM

Emery should have been suspended. He admitted Holtby verbally told him no and he said "well, be ready" and attacked. If I was shanny he would have been suspended. But the real idiot award goes to that ref!

Review of ref #38 logic:

  • Holtby rejected the fight and kept his equipment on and then got attacked by Emery and could not even get his stuff off, no issue
  • Emery is continuously punching him in the back of the head, no issue there
  • Holtby's teammates want to intervene and stop this attack, but I will not allow it because Holtby seems conscious from his continuous back of the head strikes, no issue here
  • Since I the referee works for the UFC, there is clearly no issue with hitting a downed individual
  • I am also going to stand there with my arms on my hip because my birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 05:16 PM

Emery sucks.
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 05:43 PM

Emery is a coward. If someone cheap-shots one of your players, you have a right to fight them without their consent. However, Holtby had not done anything wrong, and Emery suckered him. Holtby didn't even have his blocker or glove off . Impossible to defend yourself when you cannot grab on to the other guys jersey (the whole point of the tie-down rule).

I'd like to see, as Eliotte Friedman mentioned, a big fine for the Flyers organization.


Agree. I also hate the players who purposely don't tie down the jersey if they're a fighter (ie Bieksa).
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Posted 02 November 2013 - 05:58 PM

Emery is a coward. If someone cheap-shots one of your players, you have a right to fight them without their consent. However, Holtby had not done anything wrong, and Emery suckered him. Holtby didn't even have his blocker or glove off . Impossible to defend yourself when you cannot grab on to the other guys jersey (the whole point of the tie-down rule).

I'd like to see, as Eliotte Friedman mentioned, a big fine for the Flyers organization.


As a goalie myself, I can tell you when you hit someone with your blocker can be really painfull for the one receiving it. If Holtby would have land a good punch with his blocker on Emery's face, the fight would have been over really quick. What would hava happen next,

Brendan Shanahan: "Hey Braden, Brendan Shanahan here, what did happened yesterday?"
Braden Holtby: "Hello mister Shanahan, Emery just rushed on me"
BS: "I saw that, but why did you kept your blocker and hit him with it?"
BH: "He ask me if I wanted to drop, I said no, he told me that I didnt had the choice. I never fought in my life and I just freaked out."
BS: "Ok, you'll be suspended for 3 games, I understand you could freaked out, you just tried to protect yourself and Emery assaulted you. Next time you want to punch someone, remove your gloves."
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Posted 03 November 2013 - 07:43 AM

Emery sucks.


He got a shutout last night against an albeit crap team in the Devils but every team sucks in our division so I'll take it. Obviously, this whole thing turned the team around...so far.
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Posted 03 November 2013 - 09:00 AM

A third man in that just tries to break up a fight without trying to hurt anyone should not be penalized very harshly if at all.

Also the Flyers are a mess. The have some good players but they also have many, many problems.
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Posted 03 November 2013 - 09:20 PM

Holtby was getting his ass handed to him and nobody came to help him. Bummer...Late-


actually i did see a capitals player skate over to get involved and the ref waved him off!!! what's up with refs?

it was pretty clear holtby didnt want to fight.
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Posted 03 November 2013 - 10:56 PM

because the ???? refs in this league suck ass. Everyone knows it, do not pretend to not acknowledge it. They try to determine who wins and who doesn't. There was a reason that the rocket punched the crap out of a ref. They are basically 60 g a year guys, who get bought.
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Posted 04 November 2013 - 05:19 AM

Holtby should have kept his blocker on. And I bet emery pounds on any player we have in our organization.


You only think that cause he's black :o
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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:08 AM

Also the Flyers are a mess. The have some good players but they also have many, many problems.


Please list the many, many problems.
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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:33 AM

I actually covered this topic in my most recent blog.

http://forum.canucks...fight-or-farce/
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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:50 AM

Please list the many, many problems.


Don't have a proper starting goalie.
Defence lacks top end talent. Schenn & Coburn both disappointing and Timonen was already slow in his prime, getting older isn't helping.
Lecavalier is a chronic underachiever that is having a lot of injury issues.
Berube is an old goon and isn't NHL head coach material.
Don't have the cap space to do much.
Holmgren's lack of patience.
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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:56 AM

Don't have a proper starting goalie.
Defence lacks top end talent. Schenn & Coburn both disappointing and Timonen was already slow in his prime, getting older isn't helping.
Lecavalier is a chronic underachiever that is having a lot of injury issues.
Berube is an old goon and isn't NHL head coach material.
Don't have the cap space to do much.
Holmgren's lack of patience.


Plus:

The Schenn Bro's are showing they needed more time in the A/just aren't good enough to warrant what they were traded for
Couturier has regressed majorly since his rookie season
Giroux not producing AT ALL
Hartnell isn't a first liner
Simmonds is a third liner at best
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Posted 04 November 2013 - 09:58 AM

We should have gotten Lu to skate down and beat the crap outta Thomas in the finals....
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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:01 AM

The pieces are there, they're just not put together right right now.
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Posted 06 November 2013 - 08:00 PM

Emery sh!t kicked Holtby.
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