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#91 stawns

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 09:26 PM

Following your suggestions, management might as well sell the franchise. Your list includes our entire future for a couple of blue chippers that if we got for all the trades you would make those same blue chippers would have no one that was good enough to play with.

Wow. I did not realize there were so many good ideas out there that would really improve our team. Glad you came out to contribute.


did you miss the part where I said a package of 1-2 of those players could be absorbed. Kinda seems like you glossed over that.
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#92 Gollumpus

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:29 PM

Alright hear me out before you start losing your freaking minds.

I have thought for years now that one of biggest problems is that Gillis doesn't pencil payers into the lineup when he is designing the team. This is a nightmare for the coaches. Torts is having just as much of a problem with it as AV. That's why he simply doesn't play the fourth line at all. A team spending to the cap should have servicable players on the 4th line and a second line with NHL goal scorers.

Our top two lines could be so much better. First off we got Burrows playing right wing when he's really a left wing. I will concede he does play well with the Sedins but he doesn't score on his own when he's a second liner. In fact our first line right winger has zero goals 20+ games into the season. Problem?

So our natural right wings are Hansen and Kassian. That's it folks. The problem is they're both 3rd line right wings right now. Kassian has more potential but right now the perfect place for him to play is right wing on the third line. Same position as Hansen. I love Hansen but he's not a second line player. He doesn't instill fear in anyone, he is a hardworker that does most things well. One of the hardest workers in the league.

We invested a lot in Kassian so we should give him a chance to play on the third line where he is best suited, or we should trade him.

Although it would be smart to get of rid Edler for a multitude of reasons I have heard the arguments of why that won't happen.

Therefore, and I hate to say it, we should look into trading Hansen, Tanev, and a first for a top 6 player of proven stock to shore up this team.

Edit: Sorry, many speeling mistakes.


Serious question: other than making this proposal of what you'd be willing to give up, can you give us a suggestion of who would take this package, and which player they would send back in this deal?

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:35 PM

Serious question: other than making this proposal of what you'd be willing to give up, can you give us a suggestion of who would take this package, and which player they would send back in this deal?

regards,
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posted in another thread.

Hansen, Tanev, Jensen/1st 2014

Wheeler, Stuart
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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:52 PM

posted in another thread.

Hansen, Tanev, Jensen/1st 2014

Wheeler, Stuart


Might be a start, but would have to add just to get Wheels alone. Jets are gonna squeeze him, one of their best players this season and last. Still in his 20's. Not sure what his contract situation is though, that could change things. Peg wants to compete now, any roster player will have to be upgraded upon, or the + will have to be too good to pass on.

He would be an awesome addition.

Edited by CanucksSayEh, 24 November 2013 - 11:53 PM.

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:54 PM

posted in another thread.

Hansen, Tanev, Jensen/1st 2014

Wheeler, Stuart



Hansen, Tanev, (Jensen/1st 2014) - $4 million caphit (for Hansen and Tanev only and using Hansen's new contract)

Wheeler, Stuart - $7.3 million caphit

A bit pricey for the Canucks in the caphit department.

Otherwise, how would this trade help the Jets? They lose a lot of offense from Wheeler, and Stuart doesn't look to be that bad of a d-man, so does the addition of more defense from Hansen and Tanev sufficiently offset that loss to make it worth their while?

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 09:12 AM

Hansen, Tanev, (Jensen/1st 2014) - $4 million caphit (for Hansen and Tanev only and using Hansen's new contract)

Wheeler, Stuart - $7.3 million caphit

A bit pricey for the Canucks in the caphit department.

Otherwise, how would this trade help the Jets? They lose a lot of offense from Wheeler, and Stuart doesn't look to be that bad of a d-man, so does the addition of more defense from Hansen and Tanev sufficiently offset that loss to make it worth their while?

regards,
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They also get Jensen and a first, plus a far superiror defenceman in Tanev. Stuart is a good piece but he's just a steady blueliner, kind of like Stanton, plus $3.5m in cap space.
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Posted 25 November 2013 - 09:13 AM

I clicked it. I don't get it? Que?

Thanks for validating my point.

But to expand on that, you thinking results in a near factual statement that Gillis doesn't assess team chemistry when making trades. Clearly he'd do that, and to think it'd be obvious that any given player wouldn't fit in is much easier to say in hindsight from your armchair GM position. You don't name anyone specifically, so it's hard to give real examples why anyone you think doesn't fit easily could have.
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Posted 25 November 2013 - 09:57 AM

You lost me. I play to win, every year, every second.


from the comfort of your sofa. must be real difficult LOL

Edited by Kola Nuts, 25 November 2013 - 09:58 AM.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 10:03 AM

Thanks for validating my point.

But to expand on that, you thinking results in a near factual statement that Gillis doesn't assess team chemistry when making trades. Clearly he'd do that, and to think it'd be obvious that any given player wouldn't fit in is much easier to say in hindsight from your armchair GM position. You don't name anyone specifically, so it's hard to give real examples why anyone you think doesn't fit easily could have.


Well we have 4 top 9 LW's in Higgins, Burrows, D.Sedin, and Booth while he have 2 RW's in Kassian and Hansen that should both be playing 3rd line RW. Pretty self explanatory from the information you were given I thought. I just don't see any evidence that he's thinking about line combinations when he's putting the team together. Similarily we have had too many LD's for several years as well.

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Posted 25 November 2013 - 10:50 AM

We could trade anyone assigned to the forth line, they don't get ice time anyways. It would save a lot of cap space.
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Posted 25 November 2013 - 01:26 PM

Well we have 4 top 9 LW's in Higgins, Burrows, D.Sedin, and Booth while he have 2 RW's in Kassian and Hansen that should both be playing 3rd line RW. Pretty self explanatory from the information you were given I thought. I just don't see any evidence that he's thinking about line combinations when he's putting the team together. Similarily we have had too many LD's for several years as well.

What side has Burrows played on the last few years? Sure, he's been a LW earlier in his career, but he's easily meshed with the Sedins on the right side as well so that tends to even things out. Handedness doesn't matter as much with forwards since they play their off side in a number of cases anyway, so I still don't see the issue where Gillis isn't thinking ahead when putting together the team.

Right handed D are a much harder commodity to come by, and most teams don't have an equal amount of right and left handed defencemen. It seems we've finally gotten to the point where we have a similar amount (considering both Weber and Corrado). Garrison has shown he's capable on the right side to make better use of his shot, so that seems to make pretty good use of the assets we have on the back end as well.
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Posted 25 November 2013 - 05:31 PM

IMO opinion, Hansen is possibly the best trade chip we have? Combined with one of our cackle of young prospect centers.

Hansen IMO, unlike some posted here, is a legit 2knd line winger. He was 3rd on our team in scoring last year, with next to nill PP time, our best penalty killer, a voracious checker who works hard on the boards, is a quintessential pro (was it Lou who called him the hardest working practice player in the league?) and offers a team the strategic advantage of speed. Maybe he wont make the all star team as a top 8 in the league RW, but he would be the starting RW on at least 16 or 20 current NHL rosters. And he has a relatively low $2.5 mill ongoing cap hit. It makes him valuable.

And we have Burrows, and Santorelli, and Richardson... who all pretty much play the same game and can fill the same position. He is extremely good, but we can almost not miss a beat without him. The perfect trade chip...

Similarly we have Horvat, Schroeder, Gaunce, Cassels all looking like prospects who will be future NHL regulars. Who is most dynamic? Probably Horvat. I'd probably keep Horvat

A package with a recent 1st round, near NHL ready, center (Gaunce) and Hansen should be a sufficient value to land a Simmonds, or add a first and it nets Voracek, add Corrado and it gets Evander Kane??? Thats value, not necessarily what the other team wants. But the point being is Hansen is one component which could be traded where we can achieve a significant upgrade!

Doesn't Hansen have a modified NTC?


According to cap geek > no NTC

http://capgeek.com/canucks
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Posted 25 November 2013 - 06:07 PM

1st line players: Henrik, Daniel.
2nd line players: None, imo.
3rd line players. Burrows ( Without the sedins, yes) Kesler ( Shutdown defensive forward, Not a 2nd liner imo) Hansen, Santorelli,
Kassian ( as of now ) etc.


Someone has probably said it already. We really dont have any 2nd line players. Those guys we think we can rely on, Kesler, Burrows. Without the sedins, arent 1st line players. And in reality, are kind of 3rd liners. Love these players, Want them on the team. But we need to consider building a team without a plethora of 3rd liners. Look how Chicagos built. They have Hossa Sharpe Toews and Kane between the top two lines. Were missing a lot of natural goal scoring skills that Kesler and Burrows just dont have.


Kesler won a Selke, and was nominated two other times. e erages 49.9 points per 82 games played over the last 10 years, a respectable 2knd line total. If you don't see him as a 2knd line player, I cant offer your post much credibility.

Burrows averaged 54 points and 24 goals over a 5 year stretch. And add's grit, gamesmanship, feist, speed and tenacity. He's a deserving 2knd line NHL player.

Santorelli, Higgins and Hansen are all more than adequate "fill in" 2knd liners.

What Kesler and Burrows are not is game breakers. And we do need to add another one of those on our top 2 lines.

Someone will eventually be moved for room so younger guys can make it.


Question is Will it be this season? And will it be?


Booth's days are numbered.

That aside; having guys like Hansen, Higgins and Santorelli on our 3rd and 4th lines will be a major score!

Shinkaruk Hank Kesler
Danny Horvat Burrows
Higgins Cassels Kassian
Santorelli Gaunce Hansen

Fart around with wingers as you like, add a muscle guy, but that is dangerous up the middle, bigger, faster and more dangerous!
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Posted 25 November 2013 - 06:24 PM

Hansen is probably the most under rated player on our team. I cringe every time I see potential lineups with him on the 4th line. He's one helluva 3rd liner and gives his all at both ends of the rink. I wish we had 6 Hansen's to fill our bottom 6. If Jansen, Schroeder and Gaunce all turned out to be Jannick Hansen's, we'd be a deep team.

Plus he just signed his contract, he's not going anywhere.
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Posted 25 November 2013 - 06:27 PM

This team is full of grinders and third liners...

that is the problem.


And Hansen is the best out of the group!

No, I didn't count Burrows. He's a 2nd liner and it's only a matter of time before he bumps a slump.
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