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Too Early to call Kassian a dissapointment?


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#1 Go Go Canucks Go

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:45 PM

I felt he has played enough games with us that we can finally start to criticize him and his development since joining this team.

I think there is something really off about his hockey sense. When he plays he just doesn't seem to "get it" when it comes to reading or making the right plays. He just extremely inconsistent too in both his effort and ability.

For someone that is suppose to be a good power foward he seems to have lost an edge in terms of his puck protection and board battles. I don't know if it's a result of him getting really lean but the same thing happened to Bernier. I don't understand the Canucks trainers wanting him to lose his weight because he's obviously not as strong on the puck as when he was first traded here.

Did the Canucks make the mistake in trading for Kassian? i understand that Hodgson didn't want to play here but maybe we could have targetted someone else. Ive just been extremely unimpressed by his play as a Canuck. Seems like AV wasn't really the problem either because the new coaching staff are basically treating him the same way. He just hasnt earned an opportunity and its disapointing. It has nothing to do with his character either, hes a good person.

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:48 PM

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I think powerforwards take longer to develop and get used to the NHL game. I'd probably give Kassian one or two more seasons before calling him a disappointment. Bertuzzi was what, 25 when he broke out?
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:48 PM

I am glad we got Zack . Hodgson was a headache and didnt want to play 3rd line minutes here.

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:48 PM

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For someone that is suppose to be a good power foward he seems to have lost an edge in terms of his puck protection and board battles. I don't know if it's a result of him getting really lean but the same thing happened to Bernier. I don't understand the Canucks trainers wanting him to lose his weight because he's obviously not as strong on the puck as when he was first traded here.




weight does not = strength

His off season training focused on explosive power and agility (which he lacked). He is a much better skater now and more agile.

He's still young and can definitely get better. Don't trade him
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:49 PM

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Send him down to Utica. It's clear he's not ready and his head is not in the game to be in the NHL right now. Bring up a guy like Archibald or Grenier who deserve it.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:51 PM

At the time of posting at 1:50PM PST, yes it is too early to call Kassian a disappointment. Go take a nap or a breather outside. The real game starts tomorrow, if this thread was made because of a loss...

However, in all seriousness, dominate power forwards take time to develop and "get it" on the ice.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:51 PM

I think the most disappointing thing is his effort. From things like backchecking to laying the body he seems to enjoy taking the easy route every time.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:52 PM

He's had some bad games for sure

Overall though, I think he's looked pretty good this season. You gotta remember, he's playing on the third line with no PP time
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:52 PM

I think the most disappointing thing is his effort. From things like backchecking to laying the body he seems to enjoy taking the easy route every time.


I agree but I think that's the most disappointing thing about the team in general so it's hard to hang him out to dry personally for it.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:53 PM

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I think powerforwards take longer to develop and get used to the NHL game. I'd probably give Kassian one or two more seasons before calling him a disappointment. Bertuzzi was what, 25 when he broke out?

Bertuzzi had more points in his rookie year than Kassian has in 3 seasons.


Kassian- 27 pts in 105 games
Bert- 39 points in 76 games

1.5 years ago I said that Kassian would be a similar offensive talent as Steve Bernier, but just a bit more physical. It seems to ring true so far. He hasn't shown anything that makes him seem like a true offensive talent in this league. I understand the whole 25 years old thing, but even Bertuzzi had flashes of showing how good he could be before he broke out. Kassian hasn't shown anything.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:53 PM

Depends what your expectations are from him at this point in his career. IMO no. but whatever people think hes suppose to be putting up 70+ points by now, which is ridiculous
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:54 PM

Yes.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:57 PM

He seems disinterested at times.

Given his minutes, which pretty much includes no PP time, his production is NOT terrible, but still poor.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:02 PM

I could care less how much goals he gets or points. I wanna see Mad Zack, I wanna see him man handle players and use his brute strength to start winning puck battles, battles in front of the net. Use his physicallity to win puck battles and throw more hits. He also needs to start answering the bell. If Sestito were not in the lineup I dont know If I would be very confident Kass could step up to that role.

To me Kassian was never really brought here to be a big producer offensively so stop expecting him to be that. It will take time to gain that confidence offensively but in the mean time he has to focus on being a better player without the puck and how to use his physicality when he isn't producing on the score board. HIs defensive game really needs to pick it up and goes for the rest of the team.

So to sum up, I wanna see Kassian be more involved physically. Not fighting per se, but hitting more, winning those hard battles in the corner and at the front of the net.

A realistic expectation is to see that consistent effort on the ice, not so much the points he will put up.

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:02 PM

Yes a disappointment, maybe if he showed some signs of what he has then I'd be more optimistic, however he does not.

Doesnt seem to play with any effort, or seem to have ANY hockey IQ.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:03 PM

Not impressed. At this point I would not even blink an eye if the Canucks waived Kassian.

Looks like a plug out there every night. Improvement? I just don't see it.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:06 PM

No. He's still learning at an NHL level. He's 22. If he does't make mistakes, he won't learn to be better. That's just how it goes.

The same can't be said about some players on this team who have been in the league a while and should be producing but aren't.

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:07 PM

If its early enough for people to call jensen a dissapointment then its not too early to call kassian one
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:09 PM

Way too early. PWF's need time, history has shown that, get that through your head ffs.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:15 PM

Oh yay another KASSIAN thread......
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:17 PM

He's done some stupid things, and at times plays with his head in the clouds, but the raw talent is there. He plays like he's a boy still but showing signs of becoming a man in a mans sport; especially as a power forward/ fighter. When he matures(everyone does it at diff pts of their lives) he'll become a good player. It doesn't help that as a whole we are less than stellar as a team when it comes to mental/emotional side of things; when things get down in games, we tend to fall apart and take bad penalties and start chasing the game. Giving up one goal on a turnover or bad bounce tends to lead to bad stretches that lead to the other team scoring in bunches. Kassian is an emotional and immature while on the ice guy, so our leaders, eg edler, bieksa, Kesler and sometimes even the sedins, need to grow up and start showing these guys the right way to handle situations etc
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:18 PM

Semantics answer: No, it isn't too early to be disappointed in Kassian. It is too early to call him a bust though. As many have already mentioned here, at only 22 years old there is lots of room for growth. He is clearly immature as a player, and does not get what it takes to be in the league full time and produce results.

I'd be pissed if the organization gives up on him and waives him, but at some point (like in 2 years if the same questions keep arising) you do cut him loose.

He should train with the Sedins a few weeks this coming off season, in and around his own regimen. If he gets just a little determination in his game he can show some worth.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:19 PM

He's a bust. Has no hockey brains.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:20 PM

bench him, send him down, wake him up.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:21 PM

I was Kassians biggest supporter...but I must admit I am getting tired of the same old same old..I see very little improvement at all,,,he doesnt get alot of ice and no PP time which doesnt help but when he is out there he constantly shoots himself in the foot..ill timed penalties,, poor on the back check, bad passes resulting in goals...he has to cut down these stupid mistakes and get on board the Canuck train,,I actually think sending him down to Utica wouldnt be a bad idea, bring up Archie and see how that goes...a wake up call is needed and benching doesnt seem to work on him.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:23 PM

A lot of players his age or younger making impacts out there...
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:25 PM

A lot of players his age or younger making impacts out there...

That's an unfair argument. How many of those players are PWFs?

Edited by Bryan Danielson, 30 November 2013 - 03:25 PM.

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:27 PM

He's learning a profession. He's got the natural tools, time will tell if he can learn to produce every day against other professionals. I still think it's early, Even Lafleur took a year or two.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:32 PM

A lot of players his age or younger making impacts out there...


Somebody =/= everybody else

I wish he was shredding, but he needs to mature. Once he does that then we can see if his skills are high enough to carry him in this league.
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Posted 30 November 2013 - 03:32 PM

I would move him down to Utica to play top line minutes. Bring up an archibald or greenier.

Once Schroeder gets back into action I would put him down in the farm to get his game back and have a line of:

Jensen Schroeder Kassian

In the minors playing huge minutes, in all situations. Being relied on to lead the team.
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