kassquatchian Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I think powerforwards take longer to develop and get used to the NHL game. I'd probably give Kassian one or two more seasons before calling him a disappointment. Bertuzzi was what, 25 when he broke out? Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 While supporters will say that other PWF really starts hitting their strides when they're 25.... most of those in the NHL were being impact/physical players before the offense started. Guys like Milan Lucic, Johan Franzen, and even a the less productive guy like Steve Bernier... if they're not scoring, they're doing everything else right. Being physical, finishing every check, back checking, battle hard to keep possession, etc. Zack Kassian on the other hand, he seems to float a lot and only steps things up when he "needs" to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Weise has more points in 5 less games. this..send him down already..but no Gillis' ego is in the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoted Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 While supporters will say that other PWF really starts hitting their strides when they're 25.... most of those in the NHL were being impact/physical players before the offense started. Guys like Milan Lucic, Johan Franzen, and even a the less productive guy like Steve Bernier... if they're not scoring, they're doing everything else right. Being physical, finishing every check, back checking, battle hard to keep possession, etc. Zack Kassian on the other hand, he seems to float a lot and only steps things up when he "needs" to. What's missed when people only look at numbers for comparisons. Kassian does have good nights but then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Some games he plays like it has been 16 not 106. Hard to figure out.... Like almost all PWFs Kassian needs time. I don't remember many PWFs becoming a huge threat till they had 3-4 seasons(at least 200-250 games under their belt). Kass does play very inconsistent but I expect that given the style he plays and how inexperienced he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoted Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Like almost all PWFs Kassian needs time. I don't remember many PWFs becoming a huge threat till they had 3-4 seasons(at least 200-250 games under their belt). Kass does play very inconsistent but I expect that given the style he plays and how inexperienced he is. And I still think people wouldn't be as hard on him if people like Burrows and Kesler could score once in a while. If they were winning, people wouldn't be as worried about Kassian's development, As long as the team sucks like they are right now, everyone gets over scrutinized, fairly or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I would move him down to Utica to play top line minutes. Bring up an archibald or greenier. Once Schroeder gets back into action I would put him down in the farm to get his game back and have a line of: Jensen Schroeder Kassian In the minors playing huge minutes, in all situations. Being relied on to lead the team. He'll be claimed on waivers so that doesn't really help US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobopan Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Its getting there... I am not ready to give up on him but i would of expected a greater evolution and so far were not seeing it. I still would like to see him play with the Sedins for an extended period... Next year really does need to be a break out season tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 And I still think people wouldn't be as hard on him if people like Burrows and Kesler could score once in a while. If they were winning, people wouldn't be as worried about Kassian's development, As long as the team sucks like they are right now, everyone gets over scrutinized, fairly or not... When we struggle people look into the past to find excuses but what they should be looking into is our future. Next season will probably have a bunch of rookies looking make the pros and moves will have to be made to make room for those who do. Given how well some of our new accusations(ie. Santo, Richardson and Stanton) are playing, some of our core players(ie. Edler, Booth, Burrows, Hansen) could be moved if they don't start playing better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Like almost all PWFs Kassian needs time. I don't remember many PWFs becoming a huge threat till they had 3-4 seasons(at least 200-250 games under their belt). Kass does play very inconsistent but I expect that given the style he plays and how inexperienced he is. Exactly. Maybe the early start time means more people are drunk or having temper tantrums because we lost. I mentioned in another thread that in 2 years it would be nice to see Shinkaruk and Horvat on a line with Kass riding shotgun to protect the rooks. A guy can dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Let us compare the following 4 players and their first 3 or 4 full years in the league to Kassian. 4 Players billed as offensive players with skill to spare. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=55145 http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=67780 http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=34004 http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=34007 Now let us compare these offensive weapons to Kassian, a prototypical power forward who usually needs time to develop http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=106835 Listening to some people it is like we should have punted the 4 players I linked to the curb in their second full season for being so unproductive and having such terrible +/- stats right? Come on seriously he's barely 22 and the ONLY PWF prospect we have. Calm down already..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taib mahmud Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Will they commit another "Cam Neely" blunder by trading him ? It's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Your Huckleberry Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Does anybody else think he has been miscast as a big mean powerforward? He seems more like a Joe Thornton to me, but has been thrown into roles where he has to goon it up and crash and bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguez Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 He's had some bad games for sure Overall though, I think he's looked pretty good this season. You gotta remember, he's playing on the third line with no PP time This isn't about scoring. It's his complete lack of compete, his unwillingness to go to the dirty areas, his piss poor body checks, his terrible defensive awareness and his ridiculous God status here on CDC. You'd think this kid craps candy canes the way people talk about him. I've never seen such a lazy, weak player labelled "elite powerforward" so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Light Racicot Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Its too early to call him a bust. However, If Im not mistaken he hasnt really met expectations since Gillis claimed Kassian would have an impact during the 2012 playoffs after he acquired him. (Yes, Gillis did really say that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisbanks Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 depends on what expectations your going on.... or awesome GM looked straight into the camera the day we traded for him and said he was ready to step into our line up and contribute right away from that day forward.... (well hes been a huge disappointment if we go off of that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 I honestly don't understand why people give up on the guy so quickly... It was one bad game. He's looked very good this season, a lot better than last season. I'd say give him time, imo I'm expecting him to break out in 3 years max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Does anybody else think he has been miscast as a big mean powerforward? He seems more like a Joe Thornton to me, but has been thrown into roles where he has to goon it up and crash and bang. I think he's been miscast as any player we see in the NHL today. He's not. He's got some power forward in him, some playmaker, some pure scorer. He has an odd collection of talents that he's having difficulty putting together. He'll get it together. The only disappointment is Go Go Canucks Go and his umpteen dumb threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Watching a lot of leafs games last couple years. JVR is such a boss, same size as Kass, but a much better skater and stronger on the puck. He can make plays off the rush, and parks his butt infront of the goalie getting tips and rebounds. That's the kind of player that should have been targeted, damn he would look good here. Can only hope Kass turns it up, but not looking very promising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Will they commit another "Cam Neely" blunder by trading him ? It's possible. No , because we arent trading Kassian. The situations are very similar however. We had no idea Neely was going to pan out like that. We thought he was a slightly better Sandlak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.