RavingFan Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Mason Raymond has ten goals and nine assists and is plus 5 with the Leafs in 28 games. His skill set would have been very valuable to us this year. How did we come to undervalue him so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John.Tallhouse Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 The organization, fan base , media chewed him up and spit him out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 After February watch and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelons Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He is a type of player that is built to play in the East, where the defensive game is more loose (as opposed to the tight-checking of the Western Conference). Besides, what about the 29 other teams that didn't offer him a PTO, let alone sign him to a contract. Raymond had to sign a PTO with a Leaf's to earn his contract, and it's been working well for both teams. Sure, he's doing great and I'm happy for him, but he wouldn't have fit on the Canucks. I love what he did here and wish that he didn't get injured, but his career as a Canuck was over and it was better for both parties to have him move on to another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He wasn't meant to be here. He's a scorer in the east, that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stexx Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 30 teams including the leafs undervalued him. No one offered him a contract until the end of training camp speaks volumes of where raymonds game was last year. So far he looks like a different player looks like he needed a change of scenery to restart his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriGold Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 If he was on the Canucks this season he would have around 6-7 points. He needed a change... Like most Canucks do, Edler, Burrows, Booth, Luongo.. Oh boy I can't wait for the heat from this post.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 I was one of the minority who wanted him signed for 1.5mil. What is done is done. Gillis thought he had given MayRay his chances and it was time to part as friends. I wish him all the best with the Leafs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostViking Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Sometimes when you ask for too much, you end up being forced to take whatever bone is thrown your way. Clearly he felt he could be a top 6 forward again, but all 30 NHL GMs must have only saw a guy with a recently broken back who didn't have his game back together. Santorelli was in a similar situation, former top 6 producer who had lost his touch, so we got him for cheap. Was it a mistake not to sign him? Yes, a mistake that 30 out of 30 GMs made, and only after that was he willing to take anything, including a PTO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Mason Raymond has ten goals and nine assists and is plus 5 with the Leafs in 28 games. His skill set would have been very valuable to us this year. How did we come to undervalue him so much? Impatience after injury. Macho fan posturing. Chemistry with Kesler diminished. Difficulty in general finding a role that fit him well here / tweener. Appetite for a size and grit in the top 6. That being said, Santorelli and Richardson haven't exactly left folks missing anyone - and they are both centers and strong in the faceoff circle, so they probably suit the needs of this team better than Raymond despite his predictable improvement. p.s. this is probably Leafs talk now - and - if anyone needs an underpaid / undervalued player in their cap mix, it's that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He needed a change of scenery and that's all there is to it. He did alright here but a change was needed for him to make a serious impact on an nhl team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Mason Raymond is a Leaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He is a type of player that is built to play in the East, where the defensive game is more loose (as opposed to the tight-checking of the Western Conference). Besides, what about the 29 other teams that didn't offer him a PTO, let alone sign him to a contract. Raymond had to sign a PTO with a Leaf's to earn his contract, and it's been working well for both teams. Sure, he's doing great and I'm happy for him, but he wouldn't have fit on the Canucks. I love what he did here and wish that he didn't get injured, but his career as a Canuck was over and it was better for both parties to have him move on to another team. Conference bias is mainly all BS. The region you play in doesn't add or subtract from a players abilities. Mason Raymond vs the West Games:12 Goals: 5 Assists: 4 Points: 9 Raymond actually has a higher PPG against the West. 9 points in 12 games against the West while he has 10 points in 16 games against the East (5 goals, 5 assists). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peaches Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 He is a type of player that is built to play in the East, where the defensive game is more loose (as opposed to the tight-checking of the Western Conference). Besides, what about the 29 other teams that didn't offer him a PTO, let alone sign him to a contract. Raymond had to sign a PTO with a Leaf's to earn his contract, and it's been working well for both teams. Sure, he's doing great and I'm happy for him, but he wouldn't have fit on the Canucks. I love what he did here and wish that he didn't get injured, but his career as a Canuck was over and it was better for both parties to have him move on to another team. EXACTLY. Why is this so hard to grasp for many CDC'ers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Bellick^ Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Are people ever going to let this go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavingFan Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share Posted December 5, 2013 Can't play against the West? Check out his goal last night against San Jose where he stole the puck from their defenseman and went in and scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Mason Raymond has ten goals and nine assists and is plus 5 with the Leafs in 28 games. His skill set would have been very valuable to us this year. How did we come to undervalue him so much? He is now in the east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 too soft in the playoffs gets pushed off the puck and doesn't like backchecking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tystick Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 The Canucks have given him plenty of time to get himself together here and it seems that he just never was able to fit in Vancouver. I'm happy he's doing well in Toronto and can actually flourish under a system that suits his style more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyzer Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 When he disappears as usual in the playoffs, we'll see exactly why we didn't offer Mr. Slip and Slide another contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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