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#1 BlueLemming

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:18 AM

I knew the guy would always be a good top 4 as injury insurance but since Edler's absence, and actually even before that, Torts has been using him as top 4 and he averages what, 17-19 minutes a game now? His play has been incredibly reliable.

I encourage you guys to read the Tanev section of this article:

http://canucksarmy.c...coaching-change

After reading it and watching Tanev the past few games, I see no reason why this kid should not be in our permanent Top 4. Literally any mix of Tanev-Hamhuis-Garrison-Bieksa will work extremely well. Just wish he had a better shot, but that's all he's missing.

There's no way we can let this guy walk in FA, nor can we give him the top 4 contract he's earned and play him or Edler bottom 6. It's one or the other, in my opinion. I like both guys, but there's only 4 top spots and there's no way we lose Garrisson, Bieksa or Hammer in a trade.

Feel free to disagree though, or point out the flaws in having Tanev as top 4.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:26 AM

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He's definitely earned it. In my mind he should have gone into this season as a top 4. We'd be absolutely nuts to keep a 5 million dollar defenseman who can't play defense over Tanev.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:26 AM

Yes, he is one of our top 4
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:27 AM

Tanev absolutely is a top 4 defensemen. If he had a booming slap shot, and 20 more pounds on his frame, people would be calling him our #1 d-man.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:29 AM

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It's funny. In the off season there was a thread about Tanev not signing right away. There were quite a few people that babbled on about how easy he would be to replace and how he couldn't hit and when he did he bounced off other players, couldn't score, was over rated etc etc etc.

I think the proof is in the pudding at this point amigo.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:32 AM

Tanev absolutely is a top 4 defensemen. If he had a booming slap shot, and 20 more pounds on his frame, people would be calling him our #1 d-man.


Yeah he's only 190 lbs and look how effective he is. I can't wait for him to fill out, the sky's the limit for this kid.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:40 AM

Glad to see I'm not the only one that see's this much potential for the guy. Most recent highlight for me was when he broke up the 2 on 1 last night with the diving poke check. I flipped when I saw it haha.

I'll admit during the off season he was a guy I wasn't sure we should keep long term because I thought he would want more money than what he's worth but boy is he ever proving to be well worth having.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:40 AM

He deserves to be in the top 4 especially the great chemistry he has with Hamhuis picture perfect couldn't have described his play any better
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:51 AM

Hopefully he develops a great shot so he turns into a cannon!
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 10:54 AM

He's and RFA so MG won't definitely let him walk. His only downside of being a top 4 D man is his lack of of offense, but hopefully that can develop with time. He's been very good for the Canucks!
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 11:22 AM

The only thing missing is size. If he develops his physical game and breaks 200lbs then I think he'd be the perfect shutdown d-man. He can't be always getting hit the way he does in the playoffs. If he gains weight and gets meaner then he'd definitely be worth having in the top 4 over Edler. If that happens then the offence would only be a bonus.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 11:25 AM

Moving Edler for another top-6er and bringing up Corrado makes so much sense. I'm sure it would have happened already if the NTC wasn't a factor.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 11:35 AM

He's and RFA so MG won't definitely let him walk. His only downside of being a top 4 D man is his lack of of offense, but hopefully that can develop with time. He's been very good for the Canucks!


Ah, right! RFA. Totally forgot about that. At least that's good to know if all else fails.


Moving Edler for another top-6er and bringing up Corrado makes so much sense. I'm sure it would have happened already if the NTC wasn't a factor.


Yeah unfortunately the NTC there. I remember reading a quote from MG not that long ago on the forum saying MG does not plan on ever approaching a player and asking him to waive his NTC out of the blue. He said he would wait for the (unhappy) player to come to him and discuss what the best option is for that player. I believe that could eventually be the case. Edler is definitely a top 2 D on other teams and he will want to be that top 2 elsewhere instead of a bottom 2 here.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 11:45 AM

He's and RFA so MG won't definitely let him walk. His only downside of being a top 4 D man is his lack of of offense, but hopefully that can develop with time. He's been very good for the Canucks!

I was hoping I'd see one post with a more realistic opinion on his play rather than just fawning over how great he is and he's the next best thing since sliced bread. He's great for us defensively, and he's working on the puck moving part of his game to add offence that way, but he's not an offensive threat (particularly for his shot) and he's not a physical player. Does he need those things? Not really, he's good as is, but lets just dial it down a notch.

Moving Edler for another top-6er and bringing up Corrado makes so much sense. I'm sure it would have happened already if the NTC wasn't a factor.

Or, there's the point about getting a reasonable return. You know, considering there was the option of trading him before the NTC kicked in earlier and they didn't get serious enough offers at that point.

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 12:31 PM

Depends on the return for sure... If the team is in the running I could see elder being part of a trade deadline deal, as that is when teams might overpay.

Actually I could see it even if we aren't in the running with the only difference that we don't need a player back

But positively - trade deadline. That's when. Cause we don't need to hang onto an extra top-4 d when we have trouble scoring. Hopefully this is clear to mgmt
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 12:33 PM

We don't have the forward depth to be so deep on d. We need balance
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 12:44 PM

Very surprised at how well he's developed. Our defense in general has thrived under Torts's system, and Tanev has definitely taken advantage of our weakness on the right side of the defense, but he's also showing that he can play in that spot.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 12:55 PM

He only pushes the case for Edler to be traded.

Edler has yet to show he's anything of the defenseman we want him to be.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 12:58 PM

Like the speed, shot-blocking and the positioning. Could use a shot and a bit more gumption.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:00 PM

Didn't read the rest of the posts, but: "Seriously"?

Yes.

Tanev and Hamhuis are the new shut-down pairing and have been for quite a while. I thought that would be fairly obvious to most people.

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:00 PM

If he keeps it up he deserves 4 mil. Gillis will likely entice him to sign for less though.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:02 PM

Only trade Edler for an elite prospect/picks or a young star forward.

Other than that we have the cap-space to keep him for his career.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:03 PM

Which is why I think folks are nuts when they want to trade: Corrado/Tanev/Stanton.

Good reliable cheap defensemen are not easy to come by.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:05 PM

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:06 PM

He has been our best defensive D-man all season and last. There's no slumping for him, no slow starts, barely any off games. He just shuts it down game in and game out.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:08 PM

Which is why I think folks are nuts when they want to trade: Corrado/Tanev/Stanton.

Good reliable cheap defensemen are not easy to come by.


Well he certainly won't be cheap next season . Another 3.5ish mil to already one of the most expensive back ends means someone's gotta go for some help up front.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:18 PM

Next season will be tricky, Corrado looked good in his short time last season so I expect Corrado ready to become a #6 defensemen for us next season unless no one gets traded. Edler, Hamhuis, Stanton, Tanev, Garrison, Bieksa are our 6 defensemens and with Corrado ready to step up who will move?

It'll be interesting to see what happens, Gillis said he won't ask anybody to move with their NTC and assuming no one wants to be moved on our defense it looks like Corrado will be forced in Utica for awhile or maybe Stanton or Tanev move which is something I'm not a fan of.

Tanev is a top 4 defensemen on our team, I wonder if Stanton could step up aswell.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:24 PM

I don't care if he has a weak shot. I'd take him in our top 4 over Edler any day
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:31 PM

The numbers don't lie. 10 points in 34 games, excellent defensive play, +6, played more than 20 minutes in each of the past six games (all wins!)

Hopefully Torts would put Edler on the 3rd pairing and give him PP specialist time, so not only would he be able to improve (again, hopefully) against weaker competition, but his offensive game (and desire to be in the Top 4) can be rekindled. At this point, Eddie may not be the best option against tough forwards, and he'll have to earn his ice time.

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:38 PM

Our defence has been playing incredibly solid lately and Tanev is a major part to it. If Gillis figures it out and puts 2 and 2 together we can afford to trade Edler for a top six forward.

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