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Is higgins a top 6 forward?

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Ok at the beginning of the season I was thinking that higgins is just a fringe top6 forward. Although this is a popular belief his numbers just don't lie.

currently he is on pace for

23 goals tieing his 2nd best of his career

49points which would be his 2nd best of his career

usanlly a top 6player is expected to get a 50-60 points season minimum. Higgins is one point behind the 50 point margin. so at the moment i would say yes he is one.

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Ya, I agree! If he can keep this play up and carry it into the play-offs then he most definitely is a top 6 forward! Santorelli as well, has developed into a 2nd line player as well! Canucks were very fortunate this year with how some of their players stepped into the bigger shoes that Torts asked of them

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I'd prefer we brought in a 50-60pt guy and move Higgins down to the 3rd line, but he has found some great chemistry with santorelli and Kesler so yes I'd consider him a top 6 forward...but only when playing with the right players. Take them away and Higgins will faulter and revert back to being a 3rd liner

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With the right teammates he is. But I just think for cup teams he has to be on the 3rd line.

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He can produce like one if given the chance, but it's not likely to continue in the playoffs... It takes a lengthy hot streak for him to hit that pace. One guy like him would be fine as our #6, not both him and Santo. That just screams first round sweep. We have gone through this for years, guys scoring above their normal rate when given the chance, only to fall flat on their face in the post season. Higgins and Hansen, 1 combined point over the last 2 playoffs.

Adding a legit 2nd liner, not only makes Kesler and our 1 remaining "tweener" better, it stacks our 3rd line, and bottom 6 in general to what is needed over a long run.

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I agree with your 'fringe' assessment. He can play top 6 and belong there when he's on a roll but I dont think he's a natural top 6. He's a 3rd liner who can play up to 2nd. If we have a solid top 6 playing well going into the playoffs (I have faith) and Higgins is able to play on the 3rd, I think he can do some damage matched up against bottom 3 D-men.

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An elite team can survive with two fringe/#5-#6 guys if they have four sure fire top six guys. We have so many players considered fringe guys. We have FIVE of those guys.

Higgins, Santorelli, Booth, Higgins, Kassian + hansen the 3rd liner

#move2for1

Daniel - Henrik - Burrows

Higgins/Santorelli - Kesler - topsix

Booth - Richardson - Kassian

or some ish

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just thought I post this to let most cdc members will stop making proposals and suggesting that MG doesn't know what to do with this team. Listen you just don't make a move to make a move or when a losing streak happens. You have to trust the coach to help the players get over the hump. MG has been patience with Torts, i respect MG to be giving Torts a year to see what he has and then when the cap goes up, mg will address the problems we do have. Torts is a fantastic coach and I have all faith that he will win the cup in the next 5years if given the chance. Our future is looking great with our prospect and young guns developing nicely. with the cap going up MG will have freedom to get a big name free agent that the fan based will love. Finishing I would like to say that each team has it ups and downs but what I love about Torts he will never give up his message.

Torts baby bring us a cup soon :towel: :towel: :towel:

I even vote if he win a cup that we make a statue of him and put it beside lord stanley. :)

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just thought I post this to let most cdc members will stop making proposals and suggesting that MG doesn't know what to do with this team.

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With the right teammates he is. But I just think for cup teams he has to be on the 3rd line.

Agree - if he's with Hansen on the third line then we look pretty deep

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I think Higgins is a top 6. Not an elite top 6, but he is one. Santo though is making a case to be a part of our top 6 also.

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He can produce like one if given the chance, but it's not likely to continue in the playoffs... It takes a lengthy hot streak for him to hit that pace. One guy like him would be fine as our #6, not both him and Santo. That just screams first round sweep. We have gone through this for years, guys scoring above their normal rate when given the chance, only to fall flat on their face in the post season. Higgins and Hansen, 1 combined point over the last 2 playoffs.

Adding a legit 2nd liner, not only makes Kesler and our 1 remaining "tweener" better, it stacks our 3rd line, and bottom 6 in general to what is needed over a long run.

Was just going to post this myself!

One thing about the second comment though, it's not like management has a crystal ball, nor does it always have the opportunity, to get the 2nd line player (at least statistically speaking), know that they will gel with the rest of the team and, simultaneously, not have this acquisition cost an arm and leg. I mean look at Derek Roy, by all accounts (production included) he's a 2nd line play-making center, who was available for a decent cost, and even in Vancouver he scored at 0.5 p.p.g. However (just as everyone else did) his production faltered in the playoffs. Bottom line, I'm glad that we at least have Higgins, who plays the kind of game and has the ability to thrive in the playoffs, at such a decent price. Now I just hope that MG can pick up the right guy at the right price, and that Torts will have everyone ready for a Kings-style run.

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If we start losing again, I'd like to see Booth/Kass get their shots up again. Just not possible with the play of our top six. Our whole top nine has been so good recently.

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I am starting to get the feeling Gillis wont do anything at the deadline and I think he needs to.

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I would dare say Kesler, Santorelli and Higgins are one of the top-5 2nd lines in the league. Probably not as skilled as say Pittsburgh's, Chicago's or San Jose's, but they are 3 of the best forecheckers in the league. We saw Santorelli, Higgins and Kesler absolutely man-handle the Bruins' top line to score the game winner and its those sorts of matchups that win playoff series.

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I would dare say Kesler, Santorelli and Higgins are one of the top-5 2nd lines in the league. Probably not as skilled as say Pittsburgh's, Chicago's or San Jose's, but they are 3 of the best forecheckers in the league. We saw Santorelli, Higgins and Kesler absolutely man-handle the Bruins' top line to score the game winner and its those sorts of matchups that win playoff series.

agree just imagine the depth when burrows and schroeder get back

sedins burrows

higgins kesler santorille

booth richardson kassian

hansen dalpe weise

edler tanev

hamhuis garry

slanton bieksa(bieska to cherry)

lu

lack

send schroeder to minors bring chemistry with jensen

for playoffs bring up the black aces

jensen

archibald

schroeder

corrado

ect

that depth is really good and I would say better then in 10-11

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