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[Lebrun] Canucks covet O'Reilly and will deal defense to aquire him


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Too bad he's made smart defensive plays where the puck has just taken **** bounces which have burned us.

Why call out Hamhuis when the entire team not named Lack has been terrible?

Because I am replying to this thread which is trading Edler over hamuseless....Duh DOI~! And I am sure he is the lone result of many a loss including gettin us knocked out of the play offs.

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I dunno his cap hit is pretty big and will take $6.5mil to qualify him this summer. Is he really worth that?

Yes. Cap goes up by 7 million dollars next season and if it is one of top 4 D that we trade, we lose at least 4 million. Also, if we buy out Booth, we get another 4 million.

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ROR signed to an extension 7yrs 5.5m cap hit. Thats what id try to get for a deal as he can sign for less and we give him max years. Colorado would probly offer him 8 yrs maybe a 6m to match duchene but they will have mackinnon to resign in 2 more years and other guys aswell.

Edler, Hansen, 2nd for ROR and Mcginn(3rd liner whos got size)

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So we trade for O'Reilly... A top-6 center with size and 2-way ability...

Um, isn't that Horvats description?

Why not just develop Horvat and save a ton of cap space? O'Reilly wants $5-6 mil per long-term. It's not like he'll give us a cup this season.

Prove,n young, NHL talent vs Boy I hope he turns into a player...I'll take proven over potential.

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Prove,n young, NHL talent vs Boy I hope he turns into a player...I'll take proven over potential.

Proven = expensive, too much proven = over cap.

You need a mix of proven and potential going at the right time to be able to do anything in this cap era.

If Horvat can land a 3rd line centre role next year and put up 20-40 points then I'd say that would be a huge asset for our team.

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hes been great all year on the wing. Toss him with the twins or kesler. doesnt have to play center. just gives a a legit top 6 center if one ever went down. Withouth cdc panicking over we dont have depth.

future top 2 centers

o reilly

horvat

not bad

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So we trade for O'Reilly... A top-6 center with size and 2-way ability...

Um, isn't that Horvats description?

Why not just develop Horvat and save a ton of cap space? O'Reilly wants $5-6 mil per long-term. It's not like he'll give us a cup this season.

Kind of what I was thinking..not to mention that to get him we'd need to send one of Edler, Hammer or Booth in the deal.

The first two aren't waiving their NTC's and the latter is worth less than nothing.

Real "do-able" :rolleyes:

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i don't mind o'reilly even if it means 6.25mil cap to qualify or 7mil for 4. He is 22 with lots of mileage left. Realistically though it will take way more than a hamhuis or edler straight up.

it will probably by a hamhuis/edler + prospect + conditional pick

Since he's 22, i don't mind throwing gaunce or jenssen or corrado the other way. If avs want horvat or shinkaruk, then maybe another decent prospect back the other way.

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CDC wants Gillis to make a splash and get a top 6 player, with future potential. Rumors come out he is try to do this, CDC freaks out and says we already have that in our system in Horvat....

Getting O'Reilly would be huge for this team. And still allow Horvat to flourish as a 3rd line center until he is able to step up to a 2nd line C

The deal will be based around Tanev, Canucks don't want to pay him top 4 money next year. They have a cheaper version in Corrado, who is ready IMO to step up and play full time next season.

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I'm perfectly fine with giving him a 6x6 deal any day of the week.

He's what, 22 years old/23 years old?

He's a 60 pt player these next few seasons, with a possibility of going higher in production.

If the Canucks management loved Horvat, they'd get on their knees for O'Reilly.

6 mill is steep for a player who has never broken 20g or 60pts ... projection but be looks to break 30g 25a this season and is a PP specialist (9g 7a this season)

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... And just the other day CDC was telling me that Horvat was a franchise player...

I hear you. Unless its a MacKinnon, Crosby, Malkin or Ovechkin, I kind of like to see them play a game or two with men before I declare them Gretzsky's heir apparent. I'm not sure Horvat will be more than a good third line center myself.

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Colorado is not going to trade O'reilly. This is just a news story the media came up with since they have very little else to talk about when it comes to big name players moving. No way does Colorado move him and in the slight chance that they do not to a divisional rival, he will be moved out east.

Whether true or not, there is a point to remember from that. Just because the Canucks are rumoured to be interested, doesn't mean the other team is actually going to be selling the piece in question.

In any case, a deal for O'Reilly will have to wait more than a month to even get to the point were they can talk about getting it done. I'm not in a major rush to think it will happen at this point, or at all, so might be time to take a step back from it.

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Proven = expensive, too much proven = over cap.

You need a mix of proven and potential going at the right time to be able to do anything in this cap era.

If Horvat can land a 3rd line centre role next year and put up 20-40 points then I'd say that would be a huge asset for our team.

Yes, but ROR can put up 50-60 points as a 2nd line center role next year and end this Santorelli bullsh!t (Yes, I said it - Santorelli is not a 2nd line center on a contending team). And if Horvat is ready to step into the 3rd line role, we can finally move Kesler up to the Sedin line permanently.

Our biggest issue right now isn't the lack of a 3rd line center - it's the lack of another proven top 6 forward (preferably a center). Although we want the luxury of having Richardson on the 4th line, he can play on the 3rd line. Horvat does not address the biggest issue in our lineup next season, but ROR does.

6 mill is steep for a player who has never broken 20g or 60pts ... projection but be looks to break 30g 25a this season and is a PP specialist (9g 7a this season)

6.5M to qualify actually - so more money than what you already think is too steep.

That would not be a bad cap hit if we sign him to a long-term deal of 6-7 years and sign him through his prime years until he turns 30.

The only thing that worries me about this is that COL will probably demand Alex Edler in return. Now, Edler gets a lot of flack on CDC but that's CDC being CDC. Edler is the only heavy-bodied top-4 defenseman on our roster. Without him, we have a very small backend.

Considering that our problems have been against the big Western conference teams such as LA, San Jose, Anaheim and St. Louis, getting rid of our only defenseman that can physically compete against their big forwards would be ill-advised.

We cannot trade Hamhuis and Garrison for obvious reasons (BC boys who took a discount to sign home - future BC-born UFAs will think twice before doing Vancouver a favour by signing for less here if we trade away a player who took less to play at home). So if we can find a way to pry ROR using Tanev, that would be ideal.

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i dont see the problem with having o'reilly and horvat. even if down the road horvat becomes close to what o'reilly is. just because o'reilly is a two way player, that doesnt put up a point per game, doesnt mean he cannot play first line minutes. brendan morrison was a solid 70 point, two way player, who played big minutes on the so called "top line in hockey at the time".

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6 mill is steep for a player who has never broken 20g or 60pts ... projection but be looks to break 30g 25a this season and is a PP specialist (9g 7a this season)

Meh, he paced for 56 last year, had 55 the year before that and he's only 22. On pace for 30+ goals and 58 points this year.

Add that it to his two-way capabilities..

I think it's a worthy investment with the cap going up and Booth being bought out.

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