Tom Sestito Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I don't make many Canuck related threads, and I rarely make post-game type threads. Since Lebrun has stated everyone but the Sedins is untouchable, what should the asking prices be if Gillis decides to make some moves? Goalies Luongo = late first, two seconds type deal. Not a super high value, because of how the rest of the league perceives his contract. ***Lack = Ben Bishop/Ben Scrivens type deals. I know we value him at more than a late 2nd, or an OK young roster player, but that's pretty much the type of market that there is for goalies. Forwards Zac Dalpe = Late third Jannik Hansen = 2nd + mid tier prospect or a late first. Higgins = He'll have value for a contending team. Same as Hansen ***Kassian = Same type of player at the same level. Kesler = top prospect + 1st or a top ten draft pick in a deep draft. (Schneider type value) Or even, look at the Mike Richards trade. Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn and a second? I'd bend over back for a return like that. Richardson = Late 2nd, early 3rd. Schroeder = mid-late 2nd. ***Sedins won't be moved, period. Sestito = 1st round pick Weise = equally stupid fourth liner ***Booth = equally as bad contract ***Burrows = ... what do we even ask for him at this point? Defense Bieksa = 1st round pick, good prospect. Edler = 1st round pick, good prospect. Tanev = Young forward with equal value like I've been suggesting for since the season started. ***Garrison = 1st round pick, mid prospect. ***Hamhuis = 1st round pick + top prospect or another top ten pick + maybe.. Stanton = late 2nd, early third. I'm not valuing these guys at what we as a fan-base value them at. I'm trying to value them at what other GM's might value them at. Guys with stars are players I don't expect to move under any circumstance (IN THE NEAR FUTURE), and the reasons range from bad contract to loyalty +. Kind of stealing the idea from LucBourdon on HF. I'm also proposing we have just one trade proposals thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Interesting lil tidbit D Sedin last 106 games 25 Goals D Booth last 107 games 22 Goals Yet Booth gets crucified and Sedins avoid any criticism. Just don't seem right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Forwards: Kesler: 2 B grade prospects, young roster player (23-26) Burrows: Late 1st round pick (or packaged in bigger trade) Higgins: Forward prospect ( C - B- range), 2nd round pick Hansen: C grade prospect (forward or defence) Weise: 3rd or 4th round pick Sestito: 3rd round pick Richardson: Mid-level prospect, 4th round pick Dalpe: Mid 3rd round pick Kassian: Early 1st round pick (10th-12th overall) Booth: Getting a 5th-6th round pick would be a great return Schroeder: Mid 2nd round pick Defence: Hamhuis: Top six forward, defence prospect, early 2nd round pick Bieksa: Defence prospect (B level), mid-late 1st round pick (19th-30th) Edler: Either a top prospect and a 1st or a young top six forward and a 1st round pick Garrison: B grade prospect, early 2nd round pick (31st-40th) Tanev: Mid 1st round pick, mid-level forward prospect Stanton: Mid-late 2nd round pick Goalies: Luongo: Forward prospect, mid-late 1st round pick Lack: Late 1st round pick or early 2nd round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Forwards Zac Dalpe = 3rd Jannik Hansen = 2nd Higgins = 2nd ***Kassian = I wouldnt trade him but if I were to, a late 1st and a prospect. (no point in trading for a similar player because whats the point then?) Kesler = top prospect + 1st or a top ten draft pick in a deep draft. (Schneider type value) Or even, look at the Mike Richards trade. Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn and a second? I'd bend over back for a return like that. Richardson = 3rd. Schroeder = mid-late 2nd. ***Sedins won't be moved, period. Sestito = 3rd rounder Weise = no value ***Booth = 4th rounder ***Burrows = ... what do we even ask for him at this point? Late 1st (would be a great player for the playoffs playing 2nd or 3rd line with PK duties) Defense Bieksa = top 20 1st round pick and a decent prospect. Edler = 1st round pick and a prospect. Tanev = (I wouldnt trade him as his play is worth more than his value but value would be 2nd rounder) ***Garrison = late 1st round pick or a good prospect. ***Hamhuis = 1st round pick + top prospect Stanton = late 2nd, early third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstar Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Goalies Luongo = 1st round pick + a contract coming back Lack = 2nd round pick + mid-tier prospect Forwards Zac Dalpe = 6th-7th round pick Jannik Hansen = 2nd round pick+ mid-tier prospect Higgins = 2nd + 3rd round pick Kassian = Late 1st/Early 2nd round pick + a solid prospect Kesler = 1st round pick + top prospect + roster player Richardson = 3rd round pick Schroeder = 4th round pick Sestito = Prospect Weise = 6th/7th round pick Booth = Booth+retained salary for a similar contract Burrows = 3rd round pick at this point. When he's playing well, 2nd + a mid-level prospect Defense Bieksa = 1st round pick + mid-tier prospect Edler = 1st round pick + top prospect Tanev = 1st round pick Garrison = 1st round pick + 2nd round pick Hamhuis = 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, 2 mid-tier prospects Stanton = 3rd round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It's a process Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Goalies Luongo = Late first/2nd + B prospect Lack = 2nd Forwards Zac Dalpe = 4th Jannik Hansen 2nd + B prospect Higgins = 2nd + B prospect Kassian = Young player of the same calibre. (Coyle, Couturier, etc) Kesler = Top prospect + late first Richardson = 2nd + 3rd. (Would be the only player I wouldn't trade) Schroeder = 3rd + 4th Sedins = Free for cap space Sestito = 3rd Weise = 5th Booth = Free Burrows = expiring overpaid ufa Defense Bieksa = Late first Edler = 1st round pick, young forward prospect Tanev = Young forward with equal value Garrison = 1st round pick + B prospect Hamhuis = 1st round pick + top prospect Stanton = 2nd round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I don't make many Canuck related threads, and I rarely make post-game type threads. Since Lebrun has stated everyone but the Sedins is untouchable, what should the asking prices be if Gillis decides to make some moves? Goalies Luongo = late first, two seconds type deal. Not a super high value, because of how the rest of the league perceives his contract. ***Lack = Ben Bishop/Ben Scrivens type deals. I know we value him at more than a late 2nd, or an OK young roster player, but that's pretty much the type of market that there is for goalies. Forwards Zac Dalpe = Late third Jannik Hansen = 2nd + mid tier prospect or a late first. Higgins = He'll have value for a contending team. Same as Hansen ***Kassian = Same type of player at the same level. Kesler = top prospect + 1st or a top ten draft pick in a deep draft. (Schneider type value) Or even, look at the Mike Richards trade. Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn and a second? I'd bend over back for a return like that. Richardson = Late 2nd, early 3rd. Schroeder = mid-late 2nd. ***Sedins won't be moved, period. Sestito = 1st round pick Weise = equally stupid fourth liner ***Booth = equally as bad contract ***Burrows = ... what do we even ask for him at this point? Defense Bieksa = 1st round pick, good prospect. Edler = 1st round pick, good prospect. Tanev = Young forward with equal value like I've been suggesting for since the season started. ***Garrison = 1st round pick, mid prospect. ***Hamhuis = 1st round pick + top prospect or another top ten pick + maybe.. Stanton = late 2nd, early third. I'm not valuing these guys at what we as a fan-base value them at. I'm trying to value them at what other GM's might value them at. Guys with stars are players I don't expect to move under any circumstance (IN THE NEAR FUTURE), and the reasons range from bad contract to loyalty +. Kind of stealing the idea from LucBourdon on HF. I'm also proposing we have just one trade proposals thread. 1st of all, if all you get is a late 1st pick and a couple 2nds for Lu... You're crazy if you think that's all Lu is worth. Also, Lack is worth a 1st round pick as of next year. He's also untouchable especially if you were trading Lu, he's a young promising Goalie who is showing flashes of brilliance. Kassian is also young, you do not trade young and promising players when rebuilding. Same with Dalpe Kesler + Sedins aren't going anywhere Richardson is a vet you would keep in your bottom 6 for leader ship. Schroeder, young and promising. Sestito, no 1 is trading for Sestito Booth Buy-out Burrows a B+/A- Prospect or late 1st Higgins why would you trade someone for the same thing? Hansen wouldn't be moved Bieksa agreed Edler Young Semi developed prospect (Hertl/Yakupov category) Tanev wouldnt go anywhere Young and promising to continue to be amazing Garrison agreed Hammer would stay for veteran presence on the blue line Stanton.............YOUNG AND PROMISING lol You don't trade good young players in a rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Gunn Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Interesting lil tidbit D Sedin last 106 games 25 Goals D Booth last 107 games 22 Goals Yet Booth gets crucified and Sedins avoid any criticism. Just don't seem right. D Sedin 25 goals 55 assists 80 points. +21 6 GWG over 1 plus season. D Booth 22 goals 22 assists 44 points. +1 1 GWG over 2 plus seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SergioMomesso Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 The club has been missing 3 key pieces for the last 3 years. Top six legitimate sniper to score 25-35 Third line center to play against other teams top line and score 15 PP QB When we were top dogs in the league. We had guys who filled those roles. Even if it was for only. 2-3 seasons . Burrows performed like the finisher the Sedins needed. Ehrhoff and Salo both QB 'Ed tge leagues best PP while Manny filled in nicely for his 3/4 of a season before his brutal eye injury. The guys MG brought in to replace or upgrade these positions have not worked out due to injuries or a severe drop in play. David Booth was brought in to play a top six role and pump in 20-30. We all know how well that is going. Sammi Pahlson, Derrick Roy and niw Richardson couldn't shut down most teams third lines. Garrison and Edler can't QB a PP if it was a five on three every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Realistically, without overvaluing our players. Goalies Luongo = late first rounder (20-30), 2nd rounder, and a solid 3rd liner (Eg. Chris Kelly, Steve Ott, etc) ***Lack = 2nd rounder or another solid 3rd liner. Forwards Zac Dalpe = 3rd rounder or a prospect who hasn't panned out (eg. Luke Adams, Jon Blum, Victor Rask, etc) Jannik Hansen = 2nd rounder or a B-level prospects (eg. Ty Rattie, Scott Laughton, Tom Wilson, etc) or a solid 3rd liner straight up (Helm, Peverley, etc) Higgins = Same as Hansen ***Kassian = an underdeveloped prospects (Matt Pumpel, Nathan Beaulieu, etc) or a solid 2nd liner (Gallagher, Pominville, Gagner, etc.) Kesler = decent 2nd liner (Nyquist, Franzen, Brassard, etc), and a blue chip prospect (Mantha, Lazar, Toffoli, etc). Or a 1st line winger straight up (Ladd, Pacioretty, Lucic, etc) Richardson = 2nd rounder Schroeder = 2nd rounder ***Sedins won't be moved, period. Sestito = 4th liner or a 4th rounder Weise = same as Sestito ***Booth = equal bad contact ***Burrows = decent 2nd liner or a late 1st Defense Bieksa = 1st round pick or B-level prospect Edler = Solid 2nd liner, straight up or a mid 1st rounder and a decent 2nd liner Tanev = decent 2nd liner or mid 1st rounder ***Garrison = late 1st and a decent 3rd liner (Raymond, Talbot, Clutterbuck , etc) ***Hamhuis= mid 1st and a solid 3rd liner or a decent 2nd liner. Stanton = 2nd rounder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAVA-1 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 If there is going to be a shake up to make this team better it has to start with the Sedins (don't care that they got extended for 4 more years). These 2 are supposed to be our go to guys, when was the last time you saw them take this team on there backs and say let's go boys (NEVER!!!!), oh they have had some great /good games and usually against bottom feeder teams that don't play a physical game or a game that is out of reach( not much of that even, this year). Don't get me wrong I still think that they can very good players but I firmly believe that they should never be the focal point on this team, at best they should be complimentary(2nd line) on this team. Since LA, Ana, SJ,Stl, Chi.all are bigger and faster we need to try and join them, so, how do you do that, not overnight. We have 1 asset on D that can get us headed in that direction and that is Edler (lots of takers, just not sure where he would want (NTC - Det/NYR/TOR are my guesses). Next is Luongo, same as Edler, just different teams (Florida ?? has to be as East coast). Then the Sedins, this tougher as they also have a NTC but need to be packaged together (less teams = less return), Columbus, NJ,Buffalo (????). We have lesser players that could be moved also, Hanson/ Weise but I was focusing on our core. After moving these guys,if you can, then we get rid a few of our scouts ( not a good track record), the draft is where we have to improve if we want to join the elite teams again. Most likely never happen but if I was GM this s where I would start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I don't make many Canuck related threads, and I rarely make post-game type threads. Since Lebrun has stated everyone but the Sedins is untouchable, what should the asking prices be if Gillis decides to make some moves? Goalies Luongo = late first, two seconds type deal. Not a super high value, because of how the rest of the league perceives his contract. ***Lack = Ben Bishop/Ben Scrivens type deals. I know we value him at more than a late 2nd, or an OK young roster player, but that's pretty much the type of market that there is for goalies. Forwards Zac Dalpe = Late third Jannik Hansen = 2nd + mid tier prospect or a late first. Higgins = He'll have value for a contending team. Same as Hansen ***Kassian = Same type of player at the same level. Kesler = top prospect + 1st or a top ten draft pick in a deep draft. (Schneider type value) Or even, look at the Mike Richards trade. Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn and a second? I'd bend over back for a return like that. Richardson = Late 2nd, early 3rd. Schroeder = mid-late 2nd. ***Sedins won't be moved, period. Sestito = 1st round pick Weise = equally stupid fourth liner ***Booth = equally as bad contract ***Burrows = ... what do we even ask for him at this point? Defense Bieksa = 1st round pick, good prospect. Edler = 1st round pick, good prospect. Tanev = Young forward with equal value like I've been suggesting for since the season started. ***Garrison = 1st round pick, mid prospect. ***Hamhuis = 1st round pick + top prospect or another top ten pick + maybe.. Stanton = late 2nd, early third. I'm not valuing these guys at what we as a fan-base value them at. I'm trying to value them at what other GM's might value them at. Guys with stars are players I don't expect to move under any circumstance (IN THE NEAR FUTURE), and the reasons range from bad contract to loyalty +. Kind of stealing the idea from LucBourdon on HF. I'm also proposing we have just one trade proposals thread. I think your undervaluing Sestito. At least add an A prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 You don't trade good young players in a rebuild. Completely agree, you don't trade young players in a retool either. Kassian has been the second best player only to higgins over this last stretch, he's taken so much steps forward and looks to be a real asset. Same can be said about Lack's play Tanev, Schreoder, Kassian, Lack, Stanton are all good young pieces moving forward and should not be moved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 You guys have the same problem as Gillis....overvaluing the players. It's comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chauncey Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Forwards: Kesler: 2 B grade prospects, young roster player (23-26) Burrows: Late 1st round pick (or packaged in bigger trade) Higgins: Forward prospect ( C - B- range), 2nd round pick Hansen: C grade prospect (forward or defence) Weise: 3rd or 4th round pick Sestito: 3rd round pick Richardson: Mid-level prospect, 4th round pick Dalpe: Mid 3rd round pick Kassian: Early 1st round pick (10th-12th overall) Booth: Getting a 5th-6th round pick would be a great return Schroeder: Mid 2nd round pick Defence: Hamhuis: Top six forward, defence prospect, early 2nd round pick Bieksa: Defence prospect (B level), mid-late 1st round pick (19th-30th) Edler: Either a top prospect and a 1st or a young top six forward and a 1st round pick Garrison: B grade prospect, early 2nd round pick (31st-40th) Tanev: Mid 1st round pick, mid-level forward prospect Stanton: Mid-late 2nd round pick Goalies: Luongo: Forward prospect, mid-late 1st round pick Lack: Late 1st round pick or early 2nd round pick Wow. Some times it's obvious when a fan has only followed hockey for a short while. Seriously what is this crap? I mean wow, just when I thought I had seen it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanKeslord17 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 D Sedin 25 goals 55 assists 80 points. +21 6 GWG over 1 plus season. D Booth 22 goals 22 assists 44 points. +1 1 GWG over 2 plus seasons. And, D.Sedin = $7M D. Booth = $4.5M Are we really expecting Booth to keep pace with our "star" forward? No. And I don't see much of an improvement in stats Daniel has to be better. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peejay Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Sestito = 1st round pick 1st of all, if all you get is a late 1st pick and a couple 2nds for Lu... You're crazy if you think that's all Lu is worth. Two seasons of desperately trying to trade him, and at the end no team was willing to even give up two second rounders for him. Even delusional MG gave up on trading Lu and fans still overvalue his worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I don't make many Canuck related threads, and I rarely make post-game type threads. Since Lebrun has stated everyone but the Sedins is untouchable, what should the asking prices be if Gillis decides to make some moves? Goalies Luongo = late first, two seconds type deal. Not a super high value, because of how the rest of the league perceives his contract. ***Lack = Ben Bishop/Ben Scrivens type deals. I know we value him at more than a late 2nd, or an OK young roster player, but that's pretty much the type of market that there is for goalies. Forwards Zac Dalpe = Late third Jannik Hansen = 2nd + mid tier prospect or a late first. Higgins = He'll have value for a contending team. Same as Hansen ***Kassian = Same type of player at the same level. Kesler = top prospect + 1st or a top ten draft pick in a deep draft. (Schneider type value) Or even, look at the Mike Richards trade. Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn and a second? I'd bend over back for a return like that. Richardson = Late 2nd, early 3rd. Schroeder = mid-late 2nd. ***Sedins won't be moved, period. Sestito = 1st round pick Weise = equally stupid fourth liner ***Booth = equally as bad contract ***Burrows = ... what do we even ask for him at this point? Defense Bieksa = 1st round pick, good prospect. Edler = 1st round pick, good prospect. Tanev = Young forward with equal value like I've been suggesting for since the season started. ***Garrison = 1st round pick, mid prospect. ***Hamhuis = 1st round pick + top prospect or another top ten pick + maybe.. Stanton = late 2nd, early third. I'm not valuing these guys at what we as a fan-base value them at. I'm trying to value them at what other GM's might value them at. Guys with stars are players I don't expect to move under any circumstance (IN THE NEAR FUTURE), and the reasons range from bad contract to loyalty +. Kind of stealing the idea from LucBourdon on HF. I'm also proposing we have just one trade proposals thread. Just so we are clear. Luongo isn't worth a 1st and blue chip. But Setitio alone is worth a 1st? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Two seasons of desperately trying to trade him, and at the end no team was willing to even give up two second rounders for him. Even delusional MG gave up on trading Lu and fans still overvalue his worth Two seasons of having 2 goaltenders and the entire league trying to bottom dollar Gillis. New season of rising cap and decent cap hit with no goaltending controversy and an olympic showcase. Seriously people, STOP looking at the last 2 seasons as some sort of indicator as to why Lou cannot be traded. The cap is rising by SEVEN MILLION this year alone and could rise by as much as SEVEN MILLION next year..... A top 10 goaltender with a $5.33 million cap hit will be very attractive when back ups are all demanding $4 million in 2 seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Goalies Luongo = 1st and a prospect ***Lack = Worthless 3rd round pick at best, he's got less than 20 NHL games Forwards Zac Dalpe = Late third Jannik Hansen = multiple 2nd round picks, 2nd and 3rd or 1st round pick to a contending team in the 25-30 spot Higgins = Based on contract same as Hansen ***Kassian = Untouchable Kesler = 1st round pick and blue chip prospect or multiple blue chips. Johansen and a 2nd/3rd wennberg/Rychel Richardson =4th and 7th round pick MAYBE Schroeder = Lucky to get a 4th round pick right now ***Sedins = Untouchable Sestito = 5th round pick Weise = 5th round pick ***Booth = Buyout ***Burrows = ... Package for 2nd and 3rd Defense Bieksa = 1st round pick Edler = 1st and blue chip prospect Tanev = Untouchable ***Garrison = 1st round pick ***Hamhuis = 1st round pick Solid B prospect Stanton = Untouchable This is about realistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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