Dragonfruits Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 This fact has already been pointed out on multiple threads. Seriously...is the entire medical made up of family & friends to the owners or someone...or else do they know too much dirt or something - to let 'em go. I just can't rationalize it! How with so many red-flags & mis-steps & sky-rocketing injuries...& the mis-diagnosed concussions, back-problems, & broken bones...has there NOT been at least few announced up-grades or changes? Clearly - Tortorella's system was criticized earlier for putting TOO many of his players at risk. Maybe AV's methods of playing the better odds...by resting & protecting the Sedin twins & others by keeping them off the PK...and then having them produce great answering-back shifts afterwards...WASN'T all that crazy! How about creating a smaller crew of shot-blocking specialists...instead of asking everyone to be shot-blocking fodder? Risk vs reward. Tortorella makes no distinctions...everyone is a foot-soldier...the problem with this is that not EVERYONE is replaceable with this team's depth issues. Over-playing the top 2 lines has now caught up to John Tortorella ...& the health of our top-line Canucks as well. There's plenty of blame to go around ...& we haven't even touched upon their overly-patient & slow-moving GM... Gillis. But criticsm...should NOT be too heavily levied against the valiant captain ...who's heart nearly explodes with effort every shift. Daniel may not be giving us cause to cheer...but his brother, the captain... is clearly a keeper. That aside Luongo also looked pretty fragile & sounded even more so when he gave his post game interview. I pray this leadership group...with its' 8 Olympians...gets a 2nd wind playing in the Olympic tournament & that they muscle-memory some of that elite-play & bring it back with them to the team with a renewed confidence... after the break. Oh pleazzzze - make it so! the extra minutes played have not caused the injuries this is a completely false argument Henrik got crosschecked in the ribs by Hanzal Burrows a broken Jaw from a puck Schroeder broken ankle blocking a shot Luongo injured after Brown crashed into him Hansen fell awkwardly into the boards not doing every player but the fact people want to blame a couple extra minutes on injuries is laughable at best players will get injured regardless of how many minutes they play they could play 5 minutes they could play 30 minutes they are still going to get injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickVega Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 sedins suck, bottom line Because never in the history of sports have players ever slumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icetime Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Something is just wrong with our training/medical staff. The shear number of injuries, players coming back early only to struggle for ridiculous streaks and then re-injure themselves. Hank can barely skate and he's out there already? for what purpose? he was taken out because he was hurt and we sucked, so putting him back in hurt ain't gonna change anything. Fire somebody holy crap, this can't be normal. I think it the coach. I read he was fied in NY because he stiffled the stars and his system (if there is one) caused too many injuries. It's not normal. In the common law a tort is an injury caused to another person through carelessness. I rest my case. And I paraphrase We may not win many games but we will be tough to play against. This decision to hire Torts is a tort please someone correct the core problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I hope that once the Olympics is over that MG will just sit out Henrik and Daniel for the rest of the season. A year off did wonders for guys like Teemu Selanne, think how much it will benefit the twins. It will give an opportunity to see whether or not Kesler can be a #1 centre, how well Schroeder and Kassian can perform in the top-6 and give players like Dalphe a chance to shine. Fans would probably be more willing to accept resting a team for next season rather than just grinding along to nowhere this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 the extra minutes played have not caused the injuries this is a completely false argument Henrik got crosschecked in the ribs by Hanzal Burrows a broken Jaw from a puck Schroeder broken ankle blocking a shot Luongo injured after Brown crashed into him Hansen fell awkwardly into the boards not doing every player but the fact people want to blame a couple extra minutes on injuries is laughable at best players will get injured regardless of how many minutes they play they could play 5 minutes they could play 30 minutes they are still going to get injured Not only extra minutes ...but extra "defensive" minutes. And the additional shot-blocking...has forced our #1 goalie to change his game. Instead of clearing people-out, everyone is just more worried about blocking-pucks & lanes with their bodies..or screening & deflecting pucks past our goalies. Do ya think just maybe these guys have deflected MORE pucks into their own net...than their offense has deflected in at the other end? I wonder? I call it even... or perhaps score the "own" goals higher. The new system could be the problem with the Sedins. That's less skill....but more muscle & meat-head play, broken skulls & cross-bones hockey... for Coach Torts! Rested or deployed more sparingly in the defensive zone (PK)... the Sedins can bring better offense to the offensive zone. Their cycle-game will have better ops to develop...& more scoring chances will happen when a speedier, dog-on-the-puck 3rd with size, savy & soft hands is there to compliment them, take people-out & score. Burrows at present...ain't that. And what's SO wrong with that plan anyway? Everyone could be more of a specialist... instead of everyone being coached to be simple clones of one another. Even the Sedin twins... aren't identical. Torts isn't respecting that they clearly have individual strengths as players...instead he's asking them to perform a whole bunch of generic tasks like a set of automatons. I think that's lowering the bar. How do creatively skilled players thrive doing that? Oh.. and Tortorella wouldn't know that either...'cuz he says he only coaches defense...& lets the players figure things out on offense... for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Yes. OP, Henrik is a champion. He is exemplifying the kind of effort that, if the young players take the cue, bodes well for the future of the franchise. He's full spectrum character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singing chef Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Although he probably doesn't realize it, Henrik is actually being selfish. While trying to play through an injury, he is rendering himself ineffective. Another player who is fit and healthy would expect to have more of an impact than the way Henrik is playing at this point in time. Shut it down and report back when you are healthy enough to play to your ability. If that means October, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 the extra minutes played have not caused the injuries this is a completely false argument Henrik got crosschecked in the ribs by Hanzal Burrows a broken Jaw from a puck Schroeder broken ankle blocking a shot Luongo injured after Brown crashed into him Hansen fell awkwardly into the boards not doing every player but the fact people want to blame a couple extra minutes on injuries is laughable at best players will get injured regardless of how many minutes they play they could play 5 minutes they could play 30 minutes they are still going to get injured Well Henrik Sedin should not have returned and just remained on the sidelines healing up. I don't think he should go to Sochi, but I am sure it's his call. The exra minutes the Sedins played in the first third of the season has definitely played a role in both players drop in impactfull playing time. Again nice to see Henrik try and play through the injury but he needs to stay off the ice and heal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperReverb2 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 The Sedins and Luongo for that matter need to forgo the Olympics and get some serious R&R over the 2 week Olympic break so they can come back refreshed and hopefully help this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon4401 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 the extra minutes played have not caused the injuries this is a completely false argument Henrik got crosschecked in the ribs by Hanzal Burrows a broken Jaw from a puck Schroeder broken ankle blocking a shot Luongo injured after Brown crashed into him Hansen fell awkwardly into the boards not doing every player but the fact people want to blame a couple extra minutes on injuries is laughable at best players will get injured regardless of how many minutes they play they could play 5 minutes they could play 30 minutes they are still going to get injured The extra min lead to extra fatigue leads to mistakes(see Hamhuis play as of late) also leads to being hit more and since Torts demands shot blocking extra shots blocked which has led to the injuries you have posted...Torts needs to use all 4 lines and not have the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Higgins, Hamhuis, etc play so much its not working so he does need to tone that part down otherwise even if we make the playoffs nobody will have anything left to give Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I appreciate Henrik's effort but he needs to stay out of the lineup until after the Olympic break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 The extra min lead to extra fatigue leads to mistakes(see Hamhuis play as of late) also leads to being hit more and since Torts demands shot blocking extra shots blocked which has led to the injuries you have posted...Torts needs to use all 4 lines and not have the Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, Higgins, Hamhuis, etc play so much its not working so he does need to tone that part down otherwise even if we make the playoffs nobody will have anything left to give Yup. As a player....the more fatigued you get...you're naturally a fraction or a step slower, ...maybe you don't dodge that check as you're sucking-wind or cheatin' for a sec. to conserve energy 'cuz you think you can. All the near misses earlier this season (Henrik ducking under Joffrey Lupul's flying elbow)...now become solid strikes ...just like Hanzal's cross-check to Hank's rib-cage. I have no doubt that their lack of a balanced line-up & the crunched or over-stretched minutes to certain players...have affected the teams's development & health.... as they suffer at both ends of the spectrum as a result. Team synergy right now...is a pipe-dream! As other teams continue to gel & move forward...without an adjustment in coachng-philosophy here - I see the team inevitably falling back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I don't think the Sedins are built for a Tortorella team. I like what Tortorella brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I appreciate Henrik's effort but he needs to stay out of the lineup until after the Olympic break At this rate, he shouldn't even be in the Olympics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 To all those calling hank foolish for doing this and saying he shouldn't play show some respect, the guy is grimacing after every hit and still playing full games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon4401 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Yup. As a player....the more fatigued you get...you're naturally a fraction or a step slower, ...maybe you don't dodge that check when your sucking-wind or cheatin' for a second or 2 to conserve energy when you can. All of those near misses earlier on in the season (Henrik ducking under Joffrey Lupuls flying elbow)...become more solid strikes (Hanzal's cross-check to Hank's rib-cage). I have no doubt the lack of a balanced line-up...& the crunched or over-stretch minutes given to the players...has affected both the development & the health of the team.... as they've suffered at both ends of the spectrum - as a result. And team synergy right now...is also a pipe-dream. As other teams gel & move forward...without some change in the coach's philosophy - I see this team inevitably falling back. That's just it...Start of the season the Sedins were on fire Hank was top 5 in points as usual they signed their extensions but they also lost Kesler as a linemate and had Hansen, Dalpe, Booth, Burrows since and at the same time even before their extensions they were slowing down...Unless Torts takes a good look at what his style is doing to the stars we wont be going to the playoffs this year this team is not built where you have have your best players on the PK full time or blocking all the shots that used to happen in New York...Time will tell but I see him moving on for someone else well before I see the Sedins, Kesler or Hamhuis moved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time4change Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 a bit uncalled for... Find another teams "top offensive forward" making over 6m per season and going on 17 game goalless streaks.. It's time for change... And now thanks to MG jumping on extending these guys before letting at least some of the season play out, we're stuck watching these guys decline for the next four years. Blow up what's around them and move them down the depth chart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time4change Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 To all those calling hank foolish for doing this and saying he shouldn't play show some respect, the guy is grimacing after every hit and still playing full games. So it's better to potentially hurt your team further by playing how he's playing? Sit down and let someone else play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Kopitar goes on some pretty epic droughts..but yea, Danny sucks. Hank is still good though, started a beast, then injuries came in. Should be good if he takes the proper time to heal up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Although he probably doesn't realize it, Henrik is actually being selfish. While trying to play through an injury, he is rendering himself ineffective. Another player who is fit and healthy would expect to have more of an impact than the way Henrik is playing at this point in time. Shut it down and report back when you are healthy enough to play to your ability. If that means October, so be it. Vancouver center depth minus Henrik right now: Kesler, Schroeder, Dalpe, Lain Honestly, at this point, Henrik at 50% is better than anybody we can call up. D Sedin - Kesler - Kassian Burrows - Schroeder - Hansen Booth - Dalpe - ? Sestito - Lain - Pelletier That's what we look like without Henrik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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