nuck nit Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 "We're going to be all right," Mike Gillis valiantly predicted. PP: Three years ago: 24.3% -1st in the NHL and finished first overall Two years ago:19.8% -3rd in the NHL and finished first overall Last year:15.8% -23rd in the NHL and finished 9th overall This year:14%-29th in the NHL and finish ?? overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Kenobi Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 on the second line we have kesler and no one else that even belongs there. Kesler's a first line player. Santo, and Higgins are all right about where they should be for the second line. Why do people think that the second line needs to be first line calibre players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Who exactly are we "selling"? Tanev? Booth? Gillis has recently reiterated he won't ask players to waive their ntc. Sellers tend to move players who are pending ufa's they don't intend to re-sign. That would be Albert, Santorelli and Diaz. You may as well keep drinking. "reiterating" he won't ask players to waive their NTC is in fact, asking players to at least entertain the thought by putting it out there. And if he did, they wouldn't be traded anyways because it would light a fire under their ass. Now if Edler can stop scoring on Luongo, it would give a few points back to the team. Nothing is more deflating than a player scoring on his own team... repetitively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 To be anything like the Flames we'd have to be clinging to 2011 for ANOTHER 5 years and selling off any and all prospect depth for those 5 years. As the organization has already switched gears to building for the future (while retaining core vets and remaining competitive) as of last summer with the Schneider Trade, I see little chance of heading down that same path. Sorry for the bad news guys but seriously, lets not shoot the messenger. Currently the Canucks are in 10th place with only 22 games left. The 2 teams we are chasing ahead of us for the final playoff spot has 2 games in hand. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE JR AND OLD NEWS So say the team comes back from the Olympics and plays much better. We still have only 4 games before the deadline. If the Canucks are 3-0-1 heading into the deadline and fight back to 8th place while phx and Dallas are 9th and 10th with a game in hand what do you think the Canucks should do? THIS WAS THE FLAMES SAGA FOR 3 years people... hovering around a playoff spot with a chance. So do u think the Canucks should buy? Do you think they should sell? Or do you think they should do nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure010 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 our point % for the year is .525 we're probably going to need .750 or better over our final 22 games to make the playoffs we aren't making the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 "reiterating" he won't ask players to waive their NTC is in fact, asking players to at least entertain the thought by putting it out there. And if he did, they wouldn't be traded anyways because it would light a fire under their ass. Now if Edler can stop scoring on Luongo, it would give a few points back to the team. Nothing is more deflating than a player scoring on his own team... repetitively. So he's been asking players to waive their ntc since he was hired? More straw clutching. Btw, Edler has a couple of pucks deflect of himself into the goal = suckage. Hamhuis has the same happen in back to back games = nothing.said. You can always tell who the cdc whipping boy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Sorry for the bad news guys but seriously, lets not shoot the messenger. Currently the Canucks are in 10th place with only 22 games left. The 2 teams we are chasing ahead of us for the final playoff spot has 2 games in hand. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE JR AND OLD NEWS So say the team comes back from the Olympics and plays much better. We still have only 4 games before the deadline. If the Canucks are 3-0-1 heading into the deadline and fight back to 8th place while phx and Dallas are 9th and 10th with a game in hand what do you think the Canucks should do? THIS WAS THE FLAMES SAGA FOR 3 years people... hovering around a playoff spot with a chance. So do u think the Canucks should buy? Do you think they should sell? Or do you think they should do nothing? Nothing. We have nothing to sell (pending ufa's), and a rental isn't going to put us over the top. Unless it's an actual trade, as opposed to a rental, there's no point in wasting assets this year. Just let it play out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 If these are not the REAL Canucks, is it ok if we pay the wages of the players in NON REAL money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Maybe it's time to update the slogan: WE ARE ALL NOT THE REAL CANUCKS Or maybe go with: (DON'T WORRY CANUCKS FANS) THESE ARE NOT THE REAL CANUCKS Yeah, I can see those working. In all seriousness though, I think we need to see if "the real Canucks" actually reappear once this team gets healthy (physically and mentally). It appears that everyone involved in the actual decision-making for this team, from Aquilini to Gillis to Tortorella, is on the same page in this regard. This season seems to be one of assessment. I get the feeling that MG and Torts are paying close attention to how this team is responding to adversity and they are taking detailed notes. This was also a season of surviving the salary cap adjustment. This was never going to be a season for going "all-in" for the playoffs. In many ways, we knew that 2013-14 would most likely be a bit of a write-off. Sure, we've heard "wait until next year" too many times to count but I really went into 2013-14 thinking that this was a "wait until next year" kind of season, and deservedly so. Sure, I figured we'd scrape our way into the playoffs (I picked us as a 6 or 7 seed in the West) and every playoff team has a chance to get hot, get lucky, stay healthy, and win the Stanley Cup as another feel-good "Cinderella Story." But this year's team really needed an extraordinarily favourable run of luck to have a legitimate chance of making any real noise during the post season. We had a core that was built under the old salary cap numbers going into a season where the cap was going down. People say that every NHL franchise faced the same fate but the Canucks had more core players locked in longterm deals (that were mostly negotiated under the pre-lockout financial landscape) than most of the other teams. We had also only just begun to re-stock the cupboard on prospects and had no truly "pro-ready" youngsters available to fill the holes. It's really saying something that the newest Canuck draftees like Hunter Shinkaruk were some of the final cuts (not discounting his performance but most good teams wouldn't have even considered bringing in a raw rookie who wasn't a top-five pick). Only though some shrewd bargain hunting (albeit also with some luck involved) was Gillis actually able to flesh-out a full roster and start the season with a decently competitive team. But we still knew this team was very thin and that we'd need tie the yoke to the core veterans and ride them hard all season (with fingers crossed that no one got hurt or burned out). Unfortunately, there were injuries, fatigue, some really bad breaks, and an already concerning offensive dropoff where some of the key forwards' slumps eventually dried-out completely into a full-on goal drought. The only good thing about this very awful season is that it's shining a blindingly bright and scorching hot light on this team, exposing its weaknesses and shortcomings, while also highlighting its strengths and reasons for optimism (which are honestly there if you look for them). It's already been an extremely up-and-down year and there will probably be several more bumps in the road before 2013-14 is over. This means that there will be a wealth of information to pour through after this season. Sure, the prognosticators among us will claim that they saw the events of this season in their tealeaves as far back as the end of the 2011 Finals. Maybe that's true, to a point. But I agree with Gillis that the first change in re-setting the Canucks needed to take place behind the bench (and that's no slight on AV--just that coaches have shelf lives and the emotional strain of the Cup loss, and the way it happened, probably hastened AV's expiry date). We can debate whether the change came too late (or too soon) but it happened. If this team is going to move forward under Tortorella, the roster needs to be built around what will work for a Torts-led team. And to make those decisions, Torts needed to see firsthand everything that is good and everything that is bad about this group of players. It wouldn't have made sense to make wholesale changes to AV's team before it had become Torts's team. And Vancouver needs a full season under the new regime to figure out who Tortorella's Canucks actually are. According to many recent reports, MG and Torts are in constant contact about the state of this team and its players--which is a very good thing. They will likely have an intense series of meetings immediately following the conclusion of this season and they will formulate a detailed plan for how this team will move forward. The big decisions for this club should be made during the off-season, when trades are quite a bit easier to make (and usually for better returns--especially in a situation when so many players are currently mired in statistical "off" years) and when there will be more cap space available to add new players to this group. This team still has a solid group of core veterans (this core isn't perfect but many of the necessary pieces are already there). There is some really good young talent in the pipeline (hopefully that continues to improve). And, unlike last year, there will be a decent chunk of money for the Canucks to spend in 2014. Of course, there's no denying that some real change and roster turnover will be necessary to put together the best possible team that gives Vancouver a legitimate chance to compete for the Stanley Cup over the next 2-3 seasons. As painful as the current struggles have been, the silver lining is that the events of this season should make it much clearer as to where changes need to be made in this lineup. And those changes won't only be made based on where this team has struggled, but also where they've been successful. I'm comfortable with riding out this season with the current group (for the most part--obviously you never reject any trade that can markedly improve your team) and then letting ownership, management, and the coaches take a good hard look at what they have here, where they need to cut, and where they need to add. And all jokes aside, I really don't think we need to change the slogan: WE ARE ALL CANUCKS And (still) damn proud of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 History. It's the present that matters. Lose 9 out of 10 games. Seems like enough, no? Lets see if LA makes a trade, or stands pat at the deadline then, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Gillis waiting for the #JensenTrain to come pulling into station after the Olympic break and save the day. If i understand correctly; Jensen exploded for 5 goals in the last week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I agree. People have to stop panicking. This team has pure talent. Just a nut job coach. Your hate for Torts is unwavering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Question for the armchair GMs: Should the LA KIngs rebuild too? I pretty much agree with all your posts. I will comment on this, no they don't need a rebuild but they had a problem a few years back and went out and sorted it. We have had the same issues for two seasons now( lack of a top 6 winger) and we have done nothing about it. That has backed Gillis into a corner, he should have dealt with the problem 18 months ago. It's now looking like we sit tight now and wait for the youngsters to be ready and maybe trade a few pieces for young prospects. Those pieces being Edler,Hansen. We are relying on Daniel to get back to his former glory and Burrows to produce. That's a gamble that Gillis has chosen to take and one he will either win or fall on his sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Question for the armchair GMs: Should the LA KIngs rebuild too? kings core: anze kopitar - 27 in 2014 mike richards - 29 in 2014 jeff carter - 29 in 2014 drew doughty - 25 in 2014 jonathan quick - 28 in 2014 canucks core: henrik sedin - 34 in 2014 daniel sedin - 34 in 2014 ryan kesler - 30 in 2014 alex burrows - 33 in 2014 kevin bieksa - 33 in 2014 dan hamhuis - 32 in 2014 alex edler - 28 in 2014 roberto luongo - 35 in 2014 edit: the kings core is at the same stage of development the canucks core was at in 2009-10, more or less, and they already have a cup. so no, they don't need to rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 "Gillis shouldve fixed this and that"..... Well what if there werent the parts available to fix your broken car? Well, you then have to wait patiently untill they come in... What if you dont have enough money to buy the brand new parts once available? Well, then you have to save enough money to buy them, or purchase some cheaper used parts to keep the car running.... You see, you cant always fix something that is broken. Sometimes there is a process and patience involved. When the right part comes along at the right price, then you buy it. If it aint there, it aint there. NO matter how much you want to blame the mechanic, he cant fix whats not there.... Although considering, with the money we had to spend, I think we found some very good parts that should be useable for some time. We might not compete with some of the Ferrari's out there, but we're still in this race. Just need a pit stop, an oil change, perhaps a tweak or two. Get back out and giver. As long as your in the race, its best to wait untill its over before selling off your parts for pre orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguez Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Question for the armchair GMs: Should the LA KIngs rebuild too? Kings are a piece from putting it all together, plus their style and team are built for the clutch and grab known as playoff hockey. If the can pull off a trade for a goal scoring forward they are extremely dangerous. The Canucks, realistically need two top 6 forwards and likely a puck moving d-man to quarterback the power play. Since you asked, what do you think the Canucks should do? I've seen some say wait until next year, but I personally have very little faith that Gillis can improve this team and address their needs via free agency (hasn't managed to do that yet). Nor do I believe that the youth movement will be ready to step into the NHL next year and make a big enough impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 These are types of things I don't like to read when a GM believes his team is a contender when its clearly not. This team without changes and not little changes here and there will not be contending for a cup anytime soon. Where's this quote of Gillis insisting the team "is a contender"? Sorry for the bad news guys but seriously, lets not shoot the messenger. Currently the Canucks are in 10th place with only 22 games left. The 2 teams we are chasing ahead of us for the final playoff spot has 2 games in hand. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE JR AND OLD NEWS So say the team comes back from the Olympics and plays much better. We still have only 4 games before the deadline. If the Canucks are 3-0-1 heading into the deadline and fight back to 8th place while phx and Dallas are 9th and 10th with a game in hand what do you think the Canucks should do? THIS WAS THE FLAMES SAGA FOR 3 years people... hovering around a playoff spot with a chance. So do u think the Canucks should buy? Do you think they should sell? Or do you think they should do nothing? Little to nothing. Maybe a depth hockey trade to shore up some spots that don't touch our top prospect depth/picks. Player for player (my guess would be Weber and maybe a guy like Dalpe for an upgrade on 3/4C with Santo out) Even if we're doing decently at the deadline I wouldn't be shocked at all to see us deal redundancy for prospects/picks (though IMO that likely happens more so in the summer). Any of the following players can/will be shopped IMO this spring and/or summer: Lu (if he still wants out), Hansen, Schroeder, Tanev and Weber (with Edler having an outside chance as well). None of those guys (short of Lu and Edler) would net a huge return on their own but a team would pay handsomely for a package of Hansen, Schroeder and Tanev me thinks... and none of their current salaries are remotely prohibitive to the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowtownCanuck Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Re-arrange the deck chairs, strike up the band! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklekassian Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 We had Salo, now we don't. Thats where the problems started. For a stretch Salo was "mr.glass" but it seemed before contract year his resilience improved. But one thing always consistent was his howitzer of a shot and his benefit to the power-play. The main reason why we can't replace a player like that is because NOONE will come here to play anymore. We have been black-balled by the NHL players and no-one except has beens, Messier, Dave Gagner, Chris Higgins, Ballards, Booths. Ever since the Sedins have been here we can't get one damn gifted goal scorer to compliment their playmaking ability. All we rest our hopes on is a Kesler firing on all cylinders or a Burrows that was getting under a Million some years ago. But hey our worries are over, we have Santorelli and now our organization will rest their hopes on because he is dirt cheap and our problems are over LOL LMAO RFLMAO, what else can i say. WE never get the superstar to come here ever again and if we did, the Sedins will not be here, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 We had Salo, now we don't. Thats where the problems started. For a stretch Salo was "mr.glass" but it seemed before contract year his resilience improved. But one thing always consistent was his howitzer of a shot and his benefit to the power-play. The main reason why we can't replace a player like that is because NOONE will come here to play anymore. We have been black-balled by the NHL players and no-one except has beens, Messier, Dave Gagner, Chris Higgins, Ballards, Booths. Ever since the Sedins have been here we can't get one damn gifted goal scorer to compliment their playmaking ability. All we rest our hopes on is a Kesler firing on all cylinders or a Burrows that was getting under a Million some years ago. But hey our worries are over, we have Santorelli and now our organization will rest their hopes on because he is dirt cheap and our problems are over LOL LMAO RFLMAO, what else can i say. WE never get the superstar to come here ever again and if we did, the Sedins will not be here, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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