Pez Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 This is exactly how I feel: http://www.puckrant.com/fire_and_ice/Whos_going_to_be_the_bust/3543 Nylander has the greatest risk of busting followed by Ehlers then Draisaitl. Thank you for the link. Its a Calgary Flames blogger. He is really high on Virtanen , Ekblad, Dal Colle and Reinhart. He is not a fan of William Nylander. He blows off Ehlers almost like an afterthought so I take that with a grain of salt. He says there was no bust in 2003. Hugh Jessiman comes to mind. He says Virtanen is probably going to be a 30-40 goal scoring power forward. Lofty expectations. How many forwards score 30 to 40 goals in the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelon Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 The Canucks facebook page projects Ritchie going 10th which is very accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Anyone notice the stats for Richie from the Combine? Now registering as 6'3" 236 lbs. Assuming that he hasn't quite finished growing, he could easily top out in the 6'4" 250+ lbs range. Would be like getting hit by a train! Please note, this is not an endorsement to draft him! Can't say I'd hate having him as a prospect though! what? The combine results had him at 6'2.5 and 216 lbs. Did you read the front page blog? Those are incorrect stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horvat Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 My Prediction To ANA: Kesler To VAN: 10th + 24th + prospect Canucks draft: 6th-Nylander, 10th-Ritchie 24th-BPA http://youtu.be/vgk-lA12FBk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedman Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I haven't heard many scouts question Virtanen's high end 'potential' actually. Just the consistency. There would be a rolling of the dice in that regard, but his speed and shot set him apart from Ritchie, who's also good, but a bit different. I fear for him because people are going to want Lucic from him, but he's got an injury history and a tendency to take bad penalties, unlike Lucic. He's more like a Clowe imho. I don't see Burke passing on him though. The Schroeder pick busting is what i'd like to call foreseeable. And i can't help but feel that Nylander will end up being not like Schroeder, who's an outright bust, but a qualcomp-type player who vanishes in big games against big teams. Like Raymond and, well, the Sedins. I do think that Virtanen is a better skater (read faster) than Ritchie. It doesn't mean Ritchie is a bad skater though. Ritchie is built like a truck, and he's a good skater. You wouldn't expect him to cruise around like Virtanen because he's carrying a bigger body. That's pretty much impossible for a guy his size. Virtanen's shot might be slightly better, but if so, it's not by far. Ritchie also has a great shot. They're both physical, but i think Ritchie could be physically dominant at the NHL level (like your typical powerforward). I don't think Virtanen will be that. Physical if anything, but not dominant. If you compare Virtanen's and Ritchie's season, you will notice 1 thing. 1 played for a top team (Virtanen) while the other pretty much carried his team (Ritchie). If Ritchie would have played for a top team, his numbers would have been much higher than they are. He would probably have had at least 90 points. Aside from this, i think that Ritchie's hockey IQ is higher than Virtanen's, something that should be valuated quite high. I would be pretty happy if Ritchie turned into a Ryane Clowe (in his prime obviously) v2. That would be awesome, but i think it's really hard to compare powerforward prospects with actual NHL powerforwards, since there aren't too many. The Kings proved this logic wrong. Kopitar had 2 assists in the Cup Finals, Carter had 1 goal, Gaborik had 2 goals. Those three are probably LAs best offensive threat and they won the Cup, without them putting up big numbers. Ummm.......maybe it has something to do with his Twitter page, where it says, "give me the puck" at the top. You can tell just by looking at his highlight reels, when his team is down, he's a puck hog and tries to do everything himself. So you mean that we didn't lose the Stanley Cup final 3 years ago because we only managed to score 8 goals in 7 games? I'm not too confident with drafting a guy who only had 1 assist in 7 games. Not at 6th. Okay maybe LAs best players didn't produce outstanding numbers in the finals, but those players did produce earlier on in the playoffs, which took them to where they were. That's not the case for Perlini though. If a guy doesn't show up in the CHL playoffs, it's less likely that he will show up in the NHL playoffs when it matters. You could also see it as "if Perlini would have been better/more productive, maybe they would've beaten North Bay instead of losing to them?" Considering they lost in 7 games and Perlini only had 1 assist, i'd say that you can definitely blame the series loss partly on him. After all he's their second best scorer, after Verhaeghe. He didn't produce, literally (kinda). The end result? They lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Virtanen or Ritchie fits the bill choose skill in a very deep 2015 draft that has unreal skill not like Nylander or Ehlers the players next year are on a hole different level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Exactly. So once in a decade maybe even longer. We could hardly get a player like Virtanen in every draft. Brett MacLean put up 47 goals in the OHL with Oshawa and in the summer (07) he got drafted by Phoenix in the 2nd round. He is a UFA as of today. Also, scoring isn't the only thing that matters for a hockey player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Virtanen or Ritchie fits the bill choose skill in a very deep 2015 draft that has unreal skill not like Nylander or Ehlers the players next year are on a hole different level What position will be drafting? And who do you have in mind for 2015? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierdaddy Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 My Prediction To ANA: Kesler To VAN: 10th + 24th + prospect Canucks draft: 6th-Nylander, 10th-Ritchie 24th-BPA http://youtu.be/vgk-lA12FBk This is the best scenario in my opinion. 6, 10, 24, 36 should equate to solid future. Add them to Bo, Guance, Shink, Cassels and we have a nice looking prospect pool. Then hire the right coach to bring them along! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyllenhaal Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 The Canucks facebook page projects Ritchie going 10th which is very accurate They are just following the ISS rankings. They should be doing Perlini tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedintwinpowersactivate Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Thank you for the link. Its a Calgary Flames blogger. He is really high on Virtanen , Ekblad, Dal Colle and Reinhart. He is not a fan of William Nylander. He blows off Ehlers almost like an afterthought so I take that with a grain of salt. He says there was no bust in 2003. Hugh Jessiman comes to mind. He says Virtanen is probably going to be a 30-40 goal scoring power forward. Lofty expectations. How many forwards score 30 to 40 goals in the Hugh Jessiman did not go in the top ten in that draft... i think he was 14th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelon Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Nav097 @Nav097 Benning: We will take forwards with our first two round picks. #CanucksTownHallRichmond @blakeprice1040 @BradZiemer @RJHenderson7 Nav097 @Nav097 Benning confirms he has had talks with Tallon about the 1st overall pick. Expects Tallon to make decision night before draft. #Canucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Nav097 @Nav097 Benning: We will take forwards with our first two round picks. #CanucksTownHallRichmond @blakeprice1040 @BradZiemer @RJHenderson7 Nav097 @Nav097 Benning confirms he has had talks with Tallon about the 1st overall pick. Expects Tallon to make decision night before draft. #Canucks Boom thanks for the update Here we go offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 All those second round D proposals are out the window with that eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 What position will be drafting? And who do you have in mind for 2015? I can't speak for him, but what I think he means is that someone that is 5'11 with speed skill offence comes around far more often so lets just wait off and draft that type of player next year, and this year draft the 6'3 220 lb dude that can fight and score goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Nav097 @Nav097 Benning: We will take forwards with our first two round picks. #CanucksTownHallRichmond @blakeprice1040 @BradZiemer @RJHenderson7 Nav097 @Nav097 Benning confirms he has had talks with Tallon about the 1st overall pick. Expects Tallon to make decision night before draft. #Canucks I guess Fleury's combine interview didnt go as well as he had hoped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed or Size Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Nav097 @Nav097 Benning: We will take forwards with our first two round picks. #CanucksTownHallRichmond @blakeprice1040 @BradZiemer @RJHenderson7 Nav097 @Nav097 Benning confirms he has had talks with Tallon about the 1st overall pick. Expects Tallon to make decision night before draft. #Canucks Gaunce Tanev 6th Reinhart Get Garrison to the left side Get Edler Willie Desjardins We good to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I guess Fleury's combine interview didnt go as well as he had hoped? no....... It's just that Canucks top 6 does to Fleury in it... and looking at who might be available at round 2.... he knows it's not going to be a defencemen unless someone dramatically falls our of round 1. Nav097 @Nav097 Benning: We will take forwards with our first two round picks. #CanucksTownHallRichmond @blakeprice1040 @BradZiemer @RJHenderson7 Nav097 @Nav097 Benning confirms he has had talks with Tallon about the 1st overall pick. Expects Tallon to make decision night before draft. #Canucks So pretty much, Canucks already have an offer on the table for the 1st pick..... Panthers going to wait til the last minute (or in other words see if another team can offer something better) then decide. Gotcha Tallon. You sly dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 no....... It's just that Canucks top 6 does to Fleury in it... and looking at who might be available at round 2.... he knows it's not going to be a defencemen unless someone dramatically falls our of round 1. I was kinda hoping we could scoop Demko at 36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Here's an idea of who might be available at 36. 1 to 5 - Ekblad, Bennett, Reinhart, Draisaitl, Dal Colle 6 to 11 - Nylander, Ehlers, Virtanen, Ritchie, Perlini 12 to 17 - Fleury, Fabbri, Larkin, Tuch, Milano 18 to 23 - Honka, Fiala, Barbashev, Kempe, McCann 24 to 29 - Vrana, Scherbak, McKeown, Schmaltz, Bleackley 30 to 36 - Kamenev, Goldobin, Demko, Lemieux, Pastrnak. Any of those players I am fine with, I prefer a player like Vrana, Scherbak, Bleackley, to drop and they might because teams will go off the boards to draft a player. I think your counting might be a wee bit off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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