Smashian Kassian Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 In jensens short games here hes weved hia way thru players like it was nothing. Finding the open ice to sniper a wrister As well hia apeed creates lots of breakaways all in the big body u keep saying defines his playstyle Iam super interestes in how ehlers and nylander are superior to this I'm saying Jensen is an offensive player, but he's not a comparable to Ehlers or Nylander. They are different players, just cause they are offensive players doesn't mean they are equal. Anthony Mantha is an offensive player, as is David Desharnias, would you consider them comparable aswell? He's not a PWF either. Not really a comparable to either group. (Virtanen/Ritchie or Ehlers/Nylander) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerines Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Does anyone have any interview links with Ehlers at the combine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeddingCrashers Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Would be pretty fun watching a bunch of kassians on the ice! Be like the bash brothers in mighty ducks, but instead of two guys we could draft and have 12 forwards 6 defensemen and 2 goalies just crushing skulls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerines Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Would be pretty fun watching a bunch of kassians on the ice! Be like the bash brothers in mighty ducks, but instead of two guys we could draft and have 12 forwards 6 defensemen and 2 goalies just crushing skulls. It's like having a team full of these guys . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiffyPB Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 The Red Wings are praised not just because of the patience they have with their prospects, but because they don't single out characteristics such as size and strength. These aren't "essentials" for the best players. Crosby isn't the strongest competitor, but his hockey sense and IQ is off the charts. Stamkos isn't the biggest player, but he uses his own hockey sense, athleticism and other attributes to be one of the best goal scorers in the league. If the Canucks want to even come close to building prospect bases like the Red Wings, Kings, Bruins or Blackhawks, they'd better ditch the bias and not focus on the "biggest" or "most truculent" players as suggested by ignorant posters on this site who fawn over how fat certain prospects are. Yes, not even the height of the player or how strong he is, but how FAT the player is because it will help him hit other players harder. If these characteristics are once again being preached we'd might as well make Don Cherry both coach and GM. In the last 28 years only 5 cups have been won by the "bigger, tougher team." Yeah, you heard me, Five. Three of them by NJ in the DEAD PUCK ERA. Since then 2 other teams like them have won the cup. Apparently the model for success is building a team like the ones who have one only FIVE cups in 28 years rather than the ones who have won 23 on run-n-gun and puck possession models. Logic ftw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Does anyone have any interview links with Ehlers at the combine? These interviews are confidential. You won't find "ANY" interviews from anyone or any teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I'm not really "hating" on Ehlers or Nylander. I understand why fans want them. we just came out of our worst offensive season in our team history. I see and understand why the want some offence. Theirs an argument right there too. But we have to look at the bit picture, we want to slowly assemble a team of big physical players, probably by means of one player at a time. It takes patience to build a team. Lets say, Linden and Benning has a mindset. A "vision" of what his team wants to be like. Which is probably a group of that averages out too 6'2 and taller. If he decides to draft a 5'11 player, it slows down that process of building a strong hard hitting team. Lets say Ehlers does kinda do well, makes it in the NHL, but now a top 6 spot is occupied by a 5'10 player who is not physical puts up offensive numbers in the regular season, but in an intense playoff game, he's not scoring points, and he's not physical enough to wear down the opponent. Nikolah Ehlers in a best of 7 against the might Kings have been legitly shut down by the tight checking Kings. mean while have we drafted Ritchie or Virtannen they will be constantly forcing punks like Drew Doughty to keep their head up guys we have a 6'2 or taller or bigger winger coming at ya at full force! and btw, were do people get the idea Ritchie is not an offensive player? He is an offensive player, and why the heck are people calling Virtannen lacking IQ? lack of assists? cmon guys. Both Ritchie and Virtannen can play offence. What the other 2 euro's don't have , but they do is physical play. We are drafting Canadian men. end thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 The bias is real! What you're saying is that Ehlers and Ritchie are the same players except Ritchie is a physical player? Not close man they are different players, Ehlers is more of a playmaker who can work in corners, good puck skills, high level hockey sense and isn't a soft perimeter player. Ritchie has skill, he might even be better than Ehlers. I want a dynamic player who can do a variety of things offensively and be an elite offensive player. Nylander and Ehlers come to mind. Patrick Kane didn't get shutdown completely against LA. Take this for thought, there's been reports that Florida is interested in Ehlers. Edit: Virtanen doesn't see the ice well enough for me to take him at 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelon Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I'm not really "hating" on Ehlers or Nylander. I understand why fans want them. we just came out of our worst offensive season in our team history. I see and understand why the want some offence. Theirs an argument right there too. But we have to look at the bit picture, we want to slowly assemble a team of big physical players, probably by means of one player at a time. It takes patience to build a team. Lets say, Linden and Benning has a mindset. A "vision" of what his team wants to be like. Which is probably a group of that averages out too 6'2 and taller. If he decides to draft a 5'11 player, it slows down that process of building a strong hard hitting team. Lets say Ehlers does kinda do well, makes it in the NHL, but now a top 6 spot is occupied by a 5'10 player who is not physical puts up offensive numbers in the regular season, but in an intense playoff game, he's not scoring points, and he's not physical enough to wear down the opponent. Nikolah Ehlers in a best of 7 against the might Kings have been legitly shut down by the tight checking Kings. mean while have we drafted Ritchie or Virtannen they will be constantly forcing punks like Drew Doughty to keep their head up guys we have a 6'2 or taller or bigger winger coming at ya at full force! and btw, were do people get the idea Ritchie is not an offensive player? He is an offensive player, and why the heck are people calling Virtannen lacking IQ? lack of assists? cmon guys. Both Ritchie and Virtannen can play offence. What the other 2 euro's don't have , but they do is physical play. We are drafting Canadian men. end thread. You mean a 5'11 player who just got PPG in the playoffs? 20 points 19 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 The bias is real! What you're saying is that Ehlers and Ritchie are the same players except Ritchie is a physical player? Not close man they are different players, Ehlers is more of a playmaker who can work in corners, good puck skills, high level hockey sense and isn't a soft perimeter player. Ritchie has skill, he might even be better than Ehlers. I want a dynamic player who can do a variety of things offensively and be an elite offensive player. Nylander and Ehlers come to mind. Patrick Kane didn't get shutdown completely against LA. Take this for thought, there's been reports that Florida is interested in Ehlers. Edit: Virtanen doesn't see the ice well enough for me to take him at 6. I'm reminding the Ehlers groupies that Ritchie and Virtannen are also highly offensive players. You don't get ranked that high for being a sup bar offensive player. there is a certain Ehlers fan who just keeps labeling Ritchie a 6'3 over weight plug, when that is not even true. Ritchie can damn right play offense hit like hell and fight like hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 You mean a 5'11 player who just got PPG in the playoffs? 20 points 19 games whats with all these guys being named after fruits?? LOL anyways who are you referring too???? I'm going kindly list a name of players Ehlers, have been compared too now. 1 Pavel Bure 2 Markus Naslund 3 Nathan Mackkinon 4 Jonathan Drouin. 5 Jonathan Tavares. 6 Marion Gaborik is the newest edition of players Ehlers supporters have compared too. Nikolah Ehlers is officially the most overrated non drafted Canucks prospects in Canucks.com/forums history. 1 Pavel Bure 2 Markus Naslund 3 Nathan Mackkinon 4 Jonathan Drouin. 5 Jonathan Tavares. 6 Marion Gaborik 7 Patrick Kane. I'm adding Patrick Kane to the list. I'm going kindly tell you this right now. Just like how I pwned Ehlers supporters earlier.... If He was anything like Patrick Kane he wouldn't even be mentioned right now for the number 6 spot. Number 6 spot?? In a so called weak draft? Patrick Kane was the consensus number 1 pick. Patrick Kane was drafted number 1 overall in 2007. He was pretty much the obvious number 1 choice. He had 145 points, and lead his knights to the memorial cup. Nikolah Ehlers is not even in the same breath as Patrick Kane. Nikolah Ehlers is not even ranked in the top 5 in any publishing rankings by !@#$ in a anyone! epic fail! OMG! Ehlers groupies lol! craziest bunch ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelon Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 whats with all these guys being named after fruits?? LOL anyways who are you referring too???? Kane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoderman Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I'm reminding the Ehlers groupies that Ritchie and Virtannen are also highly offensive players. You don't get ranked that high for being a sup bar offensive player. there is a certain Ehlers fan who just keeps labeling Ritchie a 6'3 over weight plug, when that is not even true. Ritchie can damn right play offense hit like hell and fight like hell. We understand that they have offensive talent, but their potential does not reach Nylander's or Ehlers' whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 We understand that they have offensive talent, but their potential does not reach Nylander's or Ehlers' whatsoever. We are talking the NHL here buddy. We've seen many high potential players that fail to live up to expectation. many of them have failed. NHL is a different ball game then the SHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I'm reminding the Ehlers groupies that Ritchie and Virtannen are also highly offensive players. You don't get ranked that high for being a sup bar offensive player. there is a certain Ehlers fan who just keeps labeling Ritchie a 6'3 over weight plug, when that is not even true. Ritchie can damn right play offense hit like hell and fight like hell.More players can fight and hit than they can score goals. Ehlers has a higher offensive skill level than Nick Ritchie. Yes I know Ritchie and Virtanen have skill but 100+ points in the Q says alot and when Florida considers Ehlers aswell than I'm pretty sure he has some elite skill? Ritchie and Virtanen aren't elite offensive players and don't look like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I'm not really "hating" on Ehlers or Nylander. I understand why fans want them. we just came out of our worst offensive season in our team history. I see and understand why the want some offence. Theirs an argument right there too. But we have to look at the bit picture, we want to slowly assemble a team of big physical players, probably by means of one player at a time. It takes patience to build a team. Lets say, Linden and Benning has a mindset. A "vision" of what his team wants to be like. Which is probably a group of that averages out too 6'2 and taller. If he decides to draft a 5'11 player, it slows down that process of building a strong hard hitting team. Lets say Ehlers does kinda do well, makes it in the NHL, but now a top 6 spot is occupied by a 5'10 player who is not physical puts up offensive numbers in the regular season, but in an intense playoff game, he's not scoring points, and he's not physical enough to wear down the opponent. Nikolah Ehlers in a best of 7 against the might Kings have been legitly shut down by the tight checking Kings. mean while have we drafted Ritchie or Virtannen they will be constantly forcing punks like Drew Doughty to keep their head up guys we have a 6'2 or taller or bigger winger coming at ya at full force! and btw, were do people get the idea Ritchie is not an offensive player? He is an offensive player, and why the heck are people calling Virtannen lacking IQ? lack of assists? cmon guys. Both Ritchie and Virtannen can play offence. What the other 2 euro's don't have , but they do is physical play. We are drafting Canadian men. end thread. Why do we want to do that? Where is physicality going to get us? I prefer getting wins rather than moral victories. Remember that game against LA, we destroyed them physically, but we lost. Why? We couldn't score. Its been the same problem for years with this team. And when you look at our prospect pool, it doesn't look like it will be any different down the road. whats with all these guys being named after fruits?? LOL anyways who are you referring too???? 1 Pavel Bure 2 Markus Naslund 3 Nathan Mackkinon 4 Jonathan Drouin. 5 Jonathan Tavares. 6 Marion Gaborik 7 Patrick Kane. I'm adding Patrick Kane to the list. I'm going kindly tell you this right now. Just like how I pwned Ehlers supporters earlier.... If He was anything like Patrick Kane he wouldn't even be mentioned right now for the number 6 spot. Number 6 spot?? In a so called weak draft? Patrick Kane was the consensus number 1 pick. Patrick Kane was drafted number 1 overall in 2007. He was pretty much the obvious number 1 choice. He had 145 points, and lead his knights to the memorial cup. Nikolah Ehlers is not even in the same breath as Patrick Kane. Nikolah Ehlers is not even ranked in the top 5 in any publishing rankings by !@#$ in a anyone! epic fail! OMG! Ehlers groupies lol! craziest bunch ever. You didn't pwn anyone, and rather than coming up with your own comparisons and then labelling them with others, why don't you actually be fair, and look at the clear, and obvious significant difference in offensive talent level between Nylander/Ehlers & Ritchie/Virtanen. Just making up things that players are soft when they aren't (Ehlers) is just ignorant and adds nothing to the conversation. You said what if Ehlers gets shut down against the LA Kings, what if Ritchie pulls a Rick Nash & disappears in the playoffs, why is it that perceived smaller players like Gallagher, Desharnias, Briere, Kane, Parise, Williams, St.Louis, Stepan, Zuccarello, exc. are having more success than some big guys like Nash, Bickell, King, and Pouliot if success & playoff success is just a given with size. Even add perceived softer players like Gaborik, Jokinen, who are doing more. And I'll add to that, some/alot of the perceived smaller guys, are average size, just like Nylander & Ehlers. Not undersized. Playoffs are more tight checking, there are more focused matchups, Jake Virtanen's offense comes from getting himself in a spot to shoot, and shooting, what if that gets taken away, unlike Nylander & Ehlers, he doesn't have much else in the bag offensively, then he's suddenly useless offensively. I mean c'mon, whats with the stereotypes, its not about a player being average size, its not about size, anyone can have success in the playoffs if they have the drive, the hockey IQ, the toughness, exc. I definitely think Ehlers does, and Nylander is proving he does aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoderman Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 We are talking the NHL here buddy. We've seen many high potential players that fail to live up to expectation. many of them have failed. NHL is a different ball game then the SHL. I don't know about you, but I'd rather take a chance with Nylander, the potential first line centre the Canucks need, rather than a future 2nd line winger in either Ritchie or Virtanen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Nylander is going top 5. There's no way one of the east teams doesn't gamble on his skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 Nylander is going top 5. There's no way one of the east teams doesn't gamble on his skill. I'm thinking it's the Islanders if he does go top 5. They have zilch for winger prospects and Nylander can play either wing or center, leaving us with one of the top 5. Florida: Ekblad Buffalo: Bennett Edmonton: Draisaitl Calgary: Dal Colle NY Islanders: Nylander Vancouver: Reinhart Obviously I'm dreaming but that is a likely scenario if we don't move up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedman Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 I'm thinking it's the Islanders if he does go top 5. They have zilch for winger prospects and Nylander can play either wing or center, leaving us with one of the top 5. Florida: Ekblad Buffalo: Bennett Edmonton: Draisaitl Calgary: Dal Colle NY Islanders: Nylander Vancouver: Reinhart Obviously I'm dreaming but that is a likely scenario if we don't move up. I think not. Reinhart is going top2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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