sam13371337 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 actually on second thought, did this happen to Korea. If any nation deserves some karmaic justice its them. I will never EVER forget how they rigged the world cup they hosted In 2002. Korean games against Italy and spain are universally regarded as one of the most corrupt matches In history with many youtube vids documenting the farce (spain had 3 legit goals disallowed) the referee of the Italian game was suspended twice by his own Colombian league afterwards for blatant corruption (including one game where he added 13 minutes of extra time until the other team tied it) He is currently in jail for cocaine smuggling, and still public enemy #1 in Italy with death threats against him So NO Sympathy for Korea (but sympathy for the Korean skater) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papayas Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 actually on second thought, did this happen to Korea. If any nation deserves some karmaic justice its them. I will never EVER forget how they rigged the world cup they hosted In 2002. Korean games against Italy and spain are universally regarded as one of the most corrupt matches In history with many youtube vids documenting the farce (spain had 3 legit goals disallowed) the referee of the Italian game was suspended twice by his own Colombian league afterwards for blatant corruption (including one game where he added 13 minutes of extra time until the other team tied it) He is currently in jail for cocaine smuggling, and still public enemy #1 in Italy with death threats against him So NO Sympathy for Korea (but sympathy for the Korean skater) ya, cos the two incidents are related... just because there was rigging in some games in the past somewhere in teh world, it doesn't mean rigging the result in the figure skating is alright. The incident you wrote has nothing to do with the corruption in the Sochi Olympic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 Saw a segment on TV today where none other than Katarina Witt was criticizing the judging of the Women's competition. She thought that Kim clearly had the better long program. She also felt that Kim's program had the higher degree of difficulty. She honestly seemed baffled at the scoring. (which seems a bit odd for a skater who competed for East Germany) So we've heard from the Dave Hodge's and Sid Seixeiro's on the subject and I suppose one could chalk that up to homerism, but when a 2 time Gold medalist and 4 time World Champion chimes in, I don't think there's much doubt that the fix was in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 actually on second thought, did this happen to Korea. If any nation deserves some karmaic justice its them. I will never EVER forget how they rigged the world cup they hosted In 2002. Korean games against Italy and spain are universally regarded as one of the most corrupt matches In history with many youtube vids documenting the farce (spain had 3 legit goals disallowed) the referee of the Italian game was suspended twice by his own Colombian league afterwards for blatant corruption (including one game where he added 13 minutes of extra time until the other team tied it) He is currently in jail for cocaine smuggling, and still public enemy #1 in Italy with death threats against him So NO Sympathy for Korea (but sympathy for the Korean skater) Hey! No insulting the korean football team. We rode the tails of corruption HARDD that tournament. Karma has gone back and forth. Lots of times where Korea got shafted since 2002. Paul Hamm winning gold in Athens was probably the biggest farce I've seen in gymnastics. Another judging sport. You can't hate on the entire country's sports because of the world cup. Don't worry. Korea's already all over this BS. No surprise I guess though. What are you talking about? The KSU has been a complete joke this Olympics because of Viktor Ahn. They are as sleazy and corrupt as they get. They're not doing jack squat about Yuna's silver, even when Canada successfully appealed in Salt Lake. The people, otoh... whole different story. People are very pissed and there's a petition going around. Real nasty comments on my facebook feed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure010 Posted February 21, 2014 Share Posted February 21, 2014 and you clicked on this thread because...??? because a bunch of people are in here crying about figure skating scandals when it is never talked about any other time aside from the olympics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 because a bunch of people are in here crying about figure skating scandals when it is never talked about any other time aside from the olympics. Yeah, you see the only time anyone gets robbed of an Olympic medal is, you know....... at the Olympics... Sooo...people might be "crying" at other times, but the thing is, nobody bothers to try and fix the results of Skate Canada or the BC Winter Games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 russian girl: showed off her butt korean girl: covered her butt I for one approve of these judges awarding cleavage bonus points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckamo Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Just get rid of anonymous judging. I forgot which competition (maybe diving in summer olympics? or gymnastics?) but it had the best system for a semi-subjective sport. Basically, the judges had to reveal the score they gave (no anonymity) and the judges that give the highest+lowest scores are written off while all the scores in the middle are either added up or averaged (no difference). This takes away the most extreme scoring and basically leaves what *most judges* think. Agree. Even within in the Winter olympics it's like that, I think freestyle skiing has that kind of judging. I don't know why they even moved to anonymous judging in the first place, if anything, it has made it EASIER to rig events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure010 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yeah, you see the only time anyone gets robbed of an Olympic medal is, you know....... at the Olympics... Sooo...people might be "crying" at other times, but the thing is, nobody bothers to try and fix the results of Skate Canada or the BC Winter Games... yes because they don't compete for medals in other world championship events right? only the olympics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoreanHockeyFan Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Hey! No insulting the korean football team. We rode the tails of corruption HARDD that tournament. Karma has gone back and forth. Lots of times where Korea got shafted since 2002. Paul Hamm winning gold in Athens was probably the biggest farce I've seen in gymnastics. Another judging sport. You can't hate on the entire country's sports because of the world cup. What are you talking about? The KSU has been a complete joke this Olympics because of Viktor Ahn. They are as sleazy and corrupt as they get. They're not doing jack squat about Yuna's silver, even when Canada successfully appealed in Salt Lake. The people, otoh... whole different story. People are very pissed and there's a petition going around. Real nasty comments on my facebook feed too. Calm yourself, I was just talking about the general Korean public and media. I don't know what you've been reading, but there's a total frenzy already going on back east. Viktor Ahn's situation and Kim Yuna's silver medal are two completely different problems. Ahn's is an internal matter within the Korean short track program (it's terrible, but still irrelevant in this case) and Kim Yuna's is more general because there have been several indicators of corruption within Figure Skating as a whole during these Olympics. Man, people still remember the 2002 Wold Cup fiasco? Fair enough I guess, but since were playing the memory game. I'll remind you all that Korea got shafted a coupled times in short track back in Salt Lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soshified Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 So obvious. Yuna was first after the program and lost the gold by 5 points? Haha BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam13371337 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Hey! No insulting the korean football team. We rode the tails of corruption HARDD that tournament. Karma has gone back and forth. Lots of times where Korea got shafted since 2002. Paul Hamm winning gold in Athens was probably the biggest farce I've seen in gymnastics. Another judging sport. You can't hate on the entire country's sports because of the world cup. but olympic corruption has gone both ways people expect olympics to be corrupt. World cup should not get violated in such a brutal manner Hard to sympathize with any side really when all involved do it at first opportuinity it seems (but easy to sympathize with the victim athletes who worked their lives to get there, only to be denied by corruption) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soshified Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 The russian did 7 spins, Yuna did 6. Whatever, it's a mumbo jumbo to me. Still pissed Chan didnt get the gold. Underperformance hurts the most. IF the judges screw you , there's nothing u can do. Well the Russian also fell. Yuna didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam13371337 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Man, people still remember the 2002 Wold Cup fiasco? Fair enough I guess, but since were playing the memory game. I'll remind you all that Korea got shafted a coupled times in short track back in Salt Lake. the world cup is HUGE. the biggest sporting spectacle on earth easily. in itself its far bigger then the winter olymics put together (let alone a single event) and probably somewhat comparable to the summer games in attendance/revenue/viewership . its results are historic, for many countries just making it there is a huge accomplishment. that in combination with being a die hard/life long azzuri fan makes it really hard for me to forget one of the greatest generations of Italian football being so wronged. (Although 2006 numbed the pain somewhat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deets Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 russian girl: showed off her butt korean girl: covered her butt I for one approve of these judges awarding cleavage bonus points. Russian girl: 17 years old. Peaches5: Pederast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 i think the only way to prevent corruption is to have 3 times the amount of judges, and have a computer randomly choose 5 scores, so arrangements like this couldn't happen, since no one knows whose scores will even count. after the 2002 scandal were a Russian pair won gold and falling and not even nearly as good as the Canadian pair, they got Busted, They had a system were the scorings will be randomly drawn, but it looks like that's not happening again, and it's back to the old way. Everything was probably paid off by the Russian Government to the IOC using lots of money. Karma will get that country. I already thought it was suspicous that they put Team Canada and TEam usa in the same pool in womens hockey. Corrupted as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gumballthechewy Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Russian girl: 17 years old. Peaches5: Pederast So you even know what Pederasty means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Calm yourself, I was just talking about the general Korean public and media. I don't know what you've been reading, but there's a total frenzy already going on back east. Viktor Ahn's situation and Kim Yuna's silver medal are two completely different problems. Ahn's is an internal matter within the Korean short track program (it's terrible, but still irrelevant in this case) and Kim Yuna's is more general because there have been several indicators of corruption within Figure Skating as a whole during these Olympics. Man, people still remember the 2002 Wold Cup fiasco? Fair enough I guess, but since were playing the memory game. I'll remind you all that Korea got shafted a coupled times in short track back in Salt Lake. There's obviously a frenzy going on out east and on my FB feed. Everybody five minutes someone is putting up an article (which is basically saying the same thing over and over again). It's the KSU's job to appeal the figure skating results, and they're just twiddling their thumbs right now. This and Viktor Ahn are related because their corruption and their inaction have essentially cost the country four gold medals (and a bronze). the world cup is HUGE. the biggest sporting spectacle on earth easily. in itself its far bigger then the winter olymics put together (let alone a single event) and probably somewhat comparable to the summer games in attendance/revenue/viewership . its results are historic, for many countries just making it there is a huge accomplishment. that in combination with being a die hard/life long azzuri fan makes it really hard for me to forget one of the greatest generations of Italian football being so wronged. (Although 2006 numbed the pain somewhat) Right, 2006. You got your win. Lay it to rest. Yes, South Korean sports are corrupt. We saw that at play here on Sochi's short track. We saw it in 2002. A couple years ago, the domestic football league got owned because there was heavy match fixing at play. And yet, do you honestly think Korea's the only corrupt sporting nation? If people are going to hate on Russia, hate Putin's government. Hate on the Russian judges and those who partook in the scandals. Don't hate the country and its people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Russian girl: 17 years old. Peaches5: Pederast You do realize that 17 is legal even 16 is legal in Canada right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fudd Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 You do realize that 17 is legal even 16 is legal in Canada right? I think the point is that you're inappropriately and grossly objectifying a fine, young athlete who should be recognized for her talents as opposed to her costume choice. To get back on topic, that was just disgusting of the judges. Yuna Kim deserved that gold medal. Adelina doesn't even come close to her level, sure the potential is there, but no one can match the grace and poise of Yuna. It makes it even more infuriating that Yuna got robbed of the back-to-back golds title and this is (most likely) her last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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