VegasCanuck Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Love to hear what the fans think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 Damn, I wish I could vote for both NOPE and Hard Liquor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry_Wilkins Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 We don't know what goes on behind locked doors. But whatever the mood of the players vis-a-vis Tortorella, it ain't gonna get any better from here on out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanucklehead10 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Torts hasn't lost the room. This is just a slow, boring, old, easily injured team that is a lame excuse for what it was 3 years ago. Torts is doing the best he can to try and make this team win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Torts hasn't lost the room. This is just a slow, boring, old, easily injured team that is a lame excuse for what it was 3 years ago. Torts is doing the best he can to try and make this team win. We still made the playoffs and won a presidents trophy since then. Also you clearly haven't watched any of the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapefruits Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 We still made the playoffs and won a presidents trophy since then. Also you clearly haven't watched any of the games. Benefits of playing in a weak division. Now that we're playing more of the big boys our team weakness is showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 We are old and slow. Torts plays an up tempo two way game. Which is why guys like Santo Higgins and Kes look pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I called this on another thread before Lu's trade was announced. MG & Torts are actively core-busting. Torts' doesn't think this team has enough of his type of players. So the core players are being provided with every reason possible to lament their NTC's...& management hopes they'll be willing to waive 'em - to go just about anywhere else. I'm truly upset that the high-flying ways of our Canucks of old...are now completely defunct. That's 7 years of synchronicity lost & gone. Should they even start winning a few games again under Tortorella's so-called system,...goals will be fewer & injuries will continue to escalate. And - the Canucks just don't have the organizational depth to overcome this. I lament that a mind like John Stevens was NOT named AV's successor. I do NOT believe that Tortorella is progressive enough for what's been promised to VanCity & the players. Torts is static in preaching his mantras...some of which are so retro & old-school that I wish they would die-out all together. I've seen Tortorella attempt to talk-the-talk of changing his ways....but he hasn't been able to walk-the-walk yet. And - he's apparently NOT a player's coach....or he would NOT have sat-down Luongo for the "Heritage Classic" & further alienated all of the senior leadership group within his room. But...if core-busting was the "real" goal.....then mission accomplished & by despicable means too. I wasn't a Tortorella fan before the season began - but kept an open-mind & sat in patient judgement until now...and my verdict is....STILL not a fan. NOT since the core-busting of the Keenan/Messier era...have I felt so low about the direction this team is headed. Hard to be a Canucks' fan now. But I'll hang-in there as always...just don't know where this newTortorella-train goes from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks.brad Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Torts hasn't lost the room. This is just a slow, boring, old, easily injured team that is a lame excuse for what it was 3 years ago. Torts is doing the best he can to try and make this team win. the same could have been said with AV then. Everyone was saying he lost the room too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 We are old and slow. Torts plays an up tempo two way game. Which is why guys like Santo Higgins and Kes look pretty good. Torts' system is for automatons...rather than highly-skilled specialists playing within their roles. It's not what this team needed to succeed. Dumping the core is now the only option..if they're hell-bent on sticking-it-out with Torts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapefruits Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I called this on another thread before Lu's trade was announced. MG & Torts are actively core-busting. Torts' doesn't think this team has enough of his type of players. So the core players are being provided with every reason possible to lament their NTC's...& management hopes they'll be willing to waive 'em - to go just about anywhere else. I'm truly upset that the high-flying ways of our Canucks of old...are now completely defunct. That's 7 years of synchronicity lost & gone. Should they even start winning a few games again under Tortorella's so-called system,...goals will be fewer & injuries will continue to escalate. I lament that a mind like John Stevens was NOT named AV's successor. I do NOT believe that Tortorella is progressive enough for what's been promised to VanCity & the players. Torts is static in preaching his mantras...some of which are so retro & old-school that I wish they would die-out all together. I've seen Tortorella attempt to talk-the-talk of changing his ways....but he hasn't be able to walk-the-walk yet. And - he's apparently NOT a player's coach....or he would NOT have sat-down Luongo for the "Heritage Classic" & further alienated all of the senior leadership group within his room. But...if core-busting was the "real" goal.....then mission accomplished...& by despicable means too. I wasn't a Tortorella fan before the season began - but kept an open-mind & sat in patient judgement until now...and my verdict is....STILL not a fan. NOT since the core-busting of the Keenan/Messier era...have I felt so low about the direction this team is headed. Hard to be a Canucks' fan now. But I'll hang-in there as always...just don't know where this newTortorella-train goes from here. It's called an aging core. They are not the same players of a couple seasons ago. This teams players best days as a whole are behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I think Torts is a great coach but perhaps he isn't the best option for this team. It seems some coaches can only coach a certain way because that is how they've always done it. Hasn't Torts always been a coach that loves those defensive, gritty teams? This isn't the way this team was designed. The Sedins can't ever play that way and it's obviously well beyond the point of trying to mold them into something different. I don't think he's lost the team but I think he has given up on this season, much like the rest of the team. I know most of us have. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. There is nothing wrong with accepting defeat and looking forward to next season/the future. There's a difference between being realistic and being pessimistic. There's nothing wrong with saying you're done and just trying to finish the season as best as you can instead of sugar coating it like some people sugar coat these things asserting we still have a chance. Of course the players themselves will never acknowledge this because it's unprofessional but lets be perfectly honest here -- they are humans just like the rest of us except with the extraordinary ability to coach and/or play this game at the level they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Luongo and Kesler are virtually the same. The Sedin twins have gone from Scoring titles to second liners in 3 years. No twins scoring, no wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 We don't know what goes on behind locked doors. But whatever the mood of the players vis-a-vis Tortorella, it ain't gonna get any better from here on out. Torts is a team guy. He took sole responsibility for playing Lack over Luongo at the Heritage Classic. However, it is impossible that the Canucks and the Panthers pulled that trade in but a few hours. it is my strong belief that Luongo was in play and that's why Lack got the game. The last thing the Canucks needed is an injured Luongo. Tortorella, like he defended his team against Calgary with a locker room brawl, so did he cover for his GM this time, who was busy getting Tortorella some offensive help. Matthias is only 26 years old and is a 6'4" center the world is his if he wants it and, as Gillis said, in a regiment-like organization, it might do him great. The veterans might get tired of Tortorella fast but that's great news. Their NTC's are not as strong then since they might either willingly waive them, or get the message by now. There are much worst things than having Daniel and Henrik on your second line. If I had my way, Kesler, Edler and Burrows would be gone by trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck or Die Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Are people here really that f*cking blind that they couldn't see this team declining the last few years? We were playing awfully last year, too. This is a continuation of that. Torts isn't the problem. The problem is management unwilling to move on. We need to get better, and the only way to fix that is to get rid of some of the core. Stop living in the past. 2011 was a distant memory, so stop using that and thinking we are still competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsedin33 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Guys, enough with Torts. This team has been on the decline long before he showed up. It starts with our GM, who has pretty much gutted this teams talent through downright embarrassing decisions. How the hell he turned two amazing goalies he never even drafted into such a weak return and how we ended up without a real bonafide goalie is beyond me, but it starts with his pompous arrogance. Whether it be MG or Torts, I have almost had enough with this managments political BS and extreme stats analysis. Even if Torts is to blame, I still point my finger at MG for hiring him. It will take some rediculous miracle tomorrow to save my faith in this franchise, I'm not even kidding, losing Lu was a big blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apple Juice Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 The team has been declining since the Cup run. Seems like the team's lost motivation to make it back whereas teams like Chicago and Boston want another Cup ring. Also, this season has shown that when push comes to shove, the Canucks can play the in your face style on certain nights but they always seem to revert back to the "never finish your check" mode and "protect the net" instead of "attacking the puck carrier" mentality. With the untimely injuries to many key players this season, I'm just surprised we are where we are in the standings. No Burrows for periods of time, Booth, Edler, Hank and Daniel, Santorelli, Schroeder... the list goes on and I'm not surprised if we won't make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Old commentary used to credit Hank and Dank for their demeanor. Its typical of one school of thought in championship mentality? They never got to high when things went well; just kept perspective. They also did not get down on themselves, so came back alright. This worked well with AV's passive style (bearing in mind he had self motivated players). But now we have Torts who, as Lou says, "won't let us lose?" And he gives bigger challenges and responsibility; the Twins kill penalties, take defensive draws. Kesler plays the highest forward minutes in the league. With bigger challenges is bigger hype. And then he gets in peoples faces when they make mistakes. Torts Issues new challenges; it's clear where the dictum came from in the LA game after Lou got run. He had everybody so high! And we did play a monster game, and we still lost. But the team was proud of themselves and played a good game. That would have been a time to settle the team down. Where he really lost the team was the next game in Anaheim. We were still head hunting, Sestito took the first 7 minute penalty; guys hyped on adrenaline thinking we were the new broad street bullies. And we got SPANKED, completely defocussed. Game after that Phoenix, Sestito took another 7 minute penalty, Hansen as on same time as well, Kassian had misconducts both games. We were clearly distracted, hyped on the wrong juice and adrenaline pulling us completely away from the game we wanted to play. Then in an act of cunning genius; Hartley played right into it and we had the Royal Rumble. It was a rude awakening and we got spanked in the brawl. The moral of the team shot and guys no longer playing for each other. It was like Hartley giving guys new to the skids a bigger dose of Heroin. I voted for drink more! Not sure we can get home safe before the playoff's anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Benefits of playing in a weak division. Now that we're playing more of the big boys our team weakness is showing. Except we had excellent record against teams in other divisions, so that covers that. You don't win the President's Trophy just because of your division being weak. Anyway, there's really been enough threads on Torts and I doubt he's lost the room since the players went on record after the incident in Calgary that they respected Torts for standing up for them after Calgary icing their 4th line to start the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck2288 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 First of all, Gillis built this pathetic "room" but what is there is lost because Torts is NOT a player's coach as demonstrated that by how he managed to throw 2 goalies under the bus at the Heritage Classic game. Yet another bonehead move by Gillis hiring Torts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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