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#1 Nuckslifex

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:35 AM

I'm pretty sure this topic may have been mentioned or not, but I'd like to bring it up with my own prespective and my point of view feeling into what I think or see.

I notice lately even from the start of this season we weren't going to get anything good happening for us. When we fired AV and decided to bring in tort, I was like thinking what is bring in tort going to do if all we did was went from downgrading our offensive system to a full out defense style of blocking pucks as # 1 MUST and taking away scoring chance.... Honestly I'd rather keep AV as our head coach than having tort as our current coach because let face it, looking at this season, between these 2 coaches, ranger has more goals and given up less goals overall than us and they've a higher chance of making the playoff this season than us. I'm comparing these 2 coaches that switch to each other old team and the progress of how well the for goals and against goals have been with the system that the coaches have decided for THIS SEASON on their new team. Like everything starts off from coaches to players when it comes to on ice battling and GM has nothing to do with this lack of scoring and defense except for the part of bring in players or making trades to make better impact for the team and it give the coach better chance to play around with a new playing style which won't happen with us by so far.

Talking about Kesler, I was glad he didn't get traded because I still believe he can fit into this future team and of courses show great leaderships toward the young prospects and put up goals and assists at a moment when needed and there lots more but yea. Those that wanted him traded well I honestly don't know why when he still can end his career with us and still make a decent good impact with the way he played he always a hard worker for the team. The other reason why I'm glad he not traded is because for all those who think he should be traded and he really didn't asked for a trade since I'm positive he was forced upon to go through this situation like Loungo having to not be respected properly by this orgainization and yes, we got robbed in his traded and got almost a no name NHL prepared guy at all. He says "his heart is with the team" "he happy he still a Canucks" like come on, this guy has played his entire career as a Canucks and I bet he maybe one of the few people in this latest rosters who still a long time ONLY Canucks and want to stay badly. If Kesler is to be traded in my prespective we better get a big name player from another team in return because that what Kesler is within this orgainization. We should get a Crosby, Malkin, Toews, and so on which I know won't happen and if it does we would've to give up couple of our first rd draft picks and more than just Kesler, but what I'm concluding about this trade situation is those players that I mention are BIG NAMES and have made impact for their own team and have been playing under those team and never a 2nd team before and that what Kesler is to the Canucks. Gillies I'm glad you didn't traded him at all because you couldn't pulled off anything big if we got rid of him and I still think you should be fired and bring tort with you because this team going no where.

PS: There no right or wrong, this is just my point of view and how I feel so you guys have your own right to how you want to talk about the Canucks, but please don't be bashing in this topic and also we all should've our rights to express our feeling and whatever we see or so without having to tear each other apart. Sorry for all those long typing, I just had much to say.
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:39 AM

Stopped reading after multiple uses of the word 'tort.'
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 09:42 AM

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:30 AM

Yes glad Kessler still a canuck. Hope we retire his jersey here. He works hard for his team. Maybe he should be wearing the C.
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:31 AM

Yes glad Kessler still a canuck. Hope we retire his jersey here. He works hard for his team. Maybe he should be wearing the C.

Yeah, let's give a C to the guy that doesn't want to be here.
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:33 AM

Trade him at the draft. He doesn't want to be here anymore. Pretty sad that the thing I'm most looking forward to next with this team is the draft.

Edited by Tangerines, 07 March 2014 - 10:34 AM.

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:39 AM

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Yeah, let's give a C to the guy that doesn't want to be here.


Who said Kesler never wanted to be here? Exactly a no name from Montreal,
On the other hand I have heard Kesler, his agent, and Jeremy Roenick all publicly state the opposite.

Who are we to believe?


I think it's time we give him the C, night in and night out he plays his heart out, He's willing to lay it all out on the line in order to win.

Edited by ForsbergTheGreat, 07 March 2014 - 10:40 AM.

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:41 AM

Always found Kesler over-rated anyway
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 10:53 AM

Who said Kesler never wanted to be here? Exactly a no name from Montreal,
On the other hand I have heard Kesler, his agent, and Jeremy Roenick all publicly state the opposite.

Who are we to believe?


I think it's time we give him the C, night in and night out he plays his heart out, He's willing to lay it all out on the line in order to win.

I think interesting evidence is pointing towards Kesler wanting out.
When asked Gillis post-deadline why he was unable to trade Kesler, he talked about not getting the right deal etc.
If you asked him why he wasn't able to trade the Sedins, he surely would've said he's not trying to.
So to me it seems evident he is trying to move Kesler.
And if he is, he needs Kesler's permission.
And Kesler said both that he didn't ask for a trade nor did the team ask him to waive his NTC.
Obviously one of these things happened. And if he's lying about one, he could be lying about the other.
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 11:04 AM

I can't imagine what it's like in the dressing room knowing that the 'heart and soul' of the team wants to be elsewhere. Things are going to get worse before they start getting better.

Gillis (or his replacement) has to get a good return on trading Kes and one of the top 4 D (not named Tanev). The nucks should be getting something decent with their top 10 in the draft as well.

Looking forward to next season. Bring on Jensen, Corrado and Horvat.

Edited by higgyfan, 07 March 2014 - 11:05 AM.

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Posted 07 March 2014 - 06:25 PM

Stopped reading after multiple uses of the word 'tort.'


Funny, we dont see Free Torts siggy's anymore? -_-
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 06:40 PM

Yeah, let's give a C to the guy that doesn't want to be here.

kes said he loves the city and team etc and his kids have grown up here...
imo, i dont think its that kes doesnt want to be here per se, but more like kes doesnt want to play for a hot head like torts...tbh, i dont blame him.
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 06:55 PM

kes said he loves the city and team etc and his kids have grown up here...
imo, i dont think its that kes doesnt want to be here per se, but more like kes doesnt want to play for a hot head like torts...tbh, i dont blame him.


PROOF

people need to post some actual evidence of all these wild accusations they just love to make on here you might as well work for the media
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 07:04 PM

PROOF

people need to post some actual evidence of all these wild accusations they just love to make on here you might as well work for the media

i have proof that kes said he loves it here, last week sometime b4 or after the trade deadline...id have to dig up the interview but yes i was paraphrasing there....not directly quoting him.
as for him not wanting to play for torts, that is purely my own speculation but you dont need to be a math whiz to connect the dots.

oh btw, i do work for the media, entertainment industry tho, not a sports guy.
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 07:24 PM

i have proof that kes said he loves it here, last week sometime b4 or after the trade deadline...id have to dig up the interview but yes i was paraphrasing there....not directly quoting him.
as for him not wanting to play for torts, that is purely my own speculation but you dont need to be a math whiz to connect the dots.

oh btw, i do work for the media, entertainment industry tho, not a sports guy.


he and every other player on the team has only praised Torts so again it's just wild speculation with zero to back it up
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 07:33 PM

Even if he wants out, do you blame him?
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 07:35 PM

What does it matter. Give us a brand new bunch of stars and in a short period of time they will want out or get tweaked to a point they wont know what they should be doing out their either. I know its a business but some people shouldnt be aloud to drive.
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Posted 07 March 2014 - 07:50 PM

i have proof that kes said he loves it here, last week sometime b4 or after the trade deadline...id have to dig up the interview but yes i was paraphrasing there....not directly quoting him.
as for him not wanting to play for torts, that is purely my own speculation but you dont need to be a math whiz to connect the dots.

oh btw, i do work for the media, entertainment industry tho, not a sports guy.

So kes didn't like AV. And now he doesn't like Torts? Who's the real hot head when your star can't play for two of your team's coaches in a row?
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:32 AM

he and every other player on the team has only praised Torts so again it's just wild speculation with zero to back it up

He didn't praised Torts at all, this guy been a Canucks his entire Career, you must have also think that he praised Crawford from his early NHL career and AV also in order to stay. For someone to have feeling for an organization has nothing to do with a coach being part of the situation. You must believe Kesler was all talk when he said straight up that he has heart for this team and happy to still be part of this team, he been with this team his entire life, he know the up's and down's of this Canucks situation as when has the Canucks never been in a Gillies issue with another previous GM before...
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 09:42 AM

So kes didn't like AV. And now he doesn't like Torts? Who's the real hot head when your star can't play for two of your team's coaches in a row?

I don't think Kesler has an issue with AV, it just what AV says can be confusing to him as if he not always 100% clear about what he mean about himself. AV tends to say just about anything that may seem true or not and it up to the players to take it to the next level with a deeper comment on it or just let it slided in a joking way and tend to change the topic as I notice most of the time with the media. Him and Torts have played with each other more than ONCE not just this season and honestly right from the start when Torts hasn't even debuted as Canucks Kesler praised him based on his past and ofc. his past time being coach by him also.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 10:11 AM

I don't think kesler wants out. but i do believe we need the coach, GM replaced. Torts has away to make his team not want to play hockey. get rid of torts and we could be back in the playoff race not a contender but in the race. MG now idk i can go both ways on him coin flip sort to say he has made good moves with bad descions.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 12:14 PM

Who said Kesler never wanted to be here? Exactly a no name from Montreal,
On the other hand I have heard Kesler, his agent, and Jeremy Roenick all publicly state the opposite.

Who are we to believe?


I think it's time we give him the C, night in and night out he plays his heart out, He's willing to lay it all out on the line in order to win.


The no name from Montreal broke the AV firing and Tortorella hiring before any one else. He has connections. If it's true that Kesler has asked for a trade I've lost a lot of respect for him. Luongo's situation was clearly different because he signed that contract expecting to be the starting goalie for the duration of his time here. Kesler wants to bail when the team faces some adversity. A person should be judged not how they deal with success but how they deal with the obstacles and adversity they face.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 12:31 PM

Stopped reading after multiple uses of the word 'tort.'


When we fired AV and decided to bring in tort


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i tapped out then.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 12:59 PM

When we fired AV and decided to bring in tort


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i tapped out then.


Get a grip
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:06 PM

1. I think interesting evidence is pointing towards Kesler wanting out.
2. When asked Gillis post-deadline why he was unable to trade Kesler, he talked about not getting the right deal etc
3. If you asked him why he wasn't able to trade the Sedins, he surely would've said he's not trying to.
4. So to me it seems evident he is trying to move Kesler.
5. And if he is, he needs Kesler's permission.
And Kesler said both that he didn't ask for a trade nor did the team ask him to waive his NTC.
6. Obviously one of these things happened. And if he's lying about one, he could be lying about the other.


Point 1 - what evidence

point 2 - He actually said he was offered several deals but none worked for the organization or its goals

http://blogs.theprov...trade-deadline/
take a listen and tell me where he said he actively tried to trade kesler

"We entertained multiple [other] offers on multiple situations today, and none of them fit our expectations or our long-term needs," said Gillis during a conference call."
http://www.cbc.ca/sp...dline-1.2561698

Point 3 - just your opinion with no basis of fact or any evidence to back it up

point 4 - Again what evidence

Point 5 - He doesnt need permission to listen to offers from teams trying to get players for cheap, he only needs permission to make the trade, no trade appealed to him hence no reason to ask to waive

Point 6 - How is it evident that one of those two things happened if in a televised interview he states he only looked at offers that came in and ultimately refused those offers

Kesler and his agent are both on record as saying that he wants to stay as well

Edited by CrippledCanuck, 08 March 2014 - 01:11 PM.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:07 PM

Kesler may or may not want to be here, and if its the latter he should be moved.

That being said,

I am not even a huge fan of his, although I see the value and hole that will be left if he's gone...but no one in their right mind can say he's not playing hard.

Perhaps he's not playing for Torts but he sure as hell is playing for his teammates and this team. He has been a true competitor and professional and never has quit, much as Lou didn't.

I give them both props for giving it their all.

Edited by NucksCup2015, 08 March 2014 - 01:08 PM.

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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:10 PM

I don't think kesler wants out.


after the trade deadline, he said "good thing i listened to lu, even if i wanted out, i'd still be here" or whatever.

when asked if Kesler had asked to be traded, Gillis wouldn't comment--then actively shopped him at the deadline.

there is no reason to think Kesler wants to be here, when every indication in the last week seems to suggest the exact opposite.

he'll be gone on or around the draft
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:14 PM

Kesler is a beast. And it's torts, not tort. Although it sounds funny as hell hahaha tort. Tort.
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:14 PM

Point 1 - what evidence

point 2 - He actually said he was offered several deals but none worked for the organization or its goals

http://blogs.theprov...trade-deadline/
take a listen and tell me where he said he actively tried to trade kesler

"We entertained multiple [other] offers on multiple situations today, and none of them fit our expectations or our long-term needs," said Gillis during a conference call."
http://www.cbc.ca/sp...dline-1.2561698

Point 3 - just your opinion with no basis of fact or any evidence to back it up

point 4 - Again what evidence

Point 5 - He doesnt need permission to listen to offers from teams trying to get players for cheap, he only needs permission to make the trade, no trade appealed to him hence no reason to ask to waive

Point 6 - How is it evident that one of those two things happened if in a televised interview he states he only looked at offers that came in and ultimately refused those offers

Kesler and his agent are both on record as saying that he wants to stay as well


lmao "evidence" -- this is not a murder mystery with details waiting to be found. everything goes on behind closed doors and what is presented to the public is literally all smoke and mirrors. we are left in the dark intentionally, because that means "THEY" are left in the dark, too

Gillis isn't going to play his hand to anyone, which is probably why he is always so inconsistent in his explanations for absolutely everything

We do not know what happened behind closed doors, but it seems like every analyst in the country was on the same page in thinking Kesler was being shopped
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Posted 08 March 2014 - 01:23 PM

lmao "evidence" -- this is not a murder mystery with details waiting to be found. everything goes on behind closed doors and what is presented to the public is literally all smoke and mirrors. we are left in the dark intentionally, because that means "THEY" are left in the dark, too

Gillis isn't going to play his hand to anyone, which is probably why he is always so inconsistent in his explanations for absolutely everything

We do not know what happened behind closed doors, but it seems like every analyst in the country was on the same page in thinking Kesler was being shopped


The poster that I had responded to use the term "evidence" so I responded in kind, when it came to the trade deadline and kesler and the reports of kesler wanting out I do not see any inconsistencies all parties stated NO he didnt want out.

Every analyst starting with L. Jean who had a "source", come on how gullible are people on cdc, have you never heard of media drumming up interest for the trade deadline. Look at the reports of MSL wanting out, it broke in the sports news and he nor his agent came out to dispute it and he got traded, flipside reports of Kes wanting out and almost instantly both kes and his agent both disputed it, why would kes and agent dispute it if he did want out ? it didnt affect the msl trade

Every gm who sees weakness tries to go after players like kes and our team is very weak. Every analyst just repeated the same info which is their job.

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