CowtownCanuck Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Fire MG! #RoryforGM It's hard to judge how Tort's is running the team, with the diminishing returns Gillis continues to provide. Nice to see someone in the Canucks Management take responsibility and answer questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Isn't it the coaches job to get the most out of what he's given? Perhaps he should be coaching to the players strengths instead of his agenda that doesn't fit. Exactly. I can't believe how many posts it took for someone to finally get to the heart of the matter. Yes, the core is in decay and yes, MG has failed to make the hard decisions over the last 2 seasons to prevent this from happening, but at the end of the day, the coach's job is to put the players he has today in the best position to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ride the red Pony Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Exactly. I can't believe how many posts it took for someone to finally get to the heart of the matter. Yes, the core is in decay and yes, MG has failed to make the hard decisions over the last 2 seasons to prevent this from happening, but at the end of the day, the coach's job is to put the players he has today in the best position to win. I believe in the presser that the OP posted Torts addressed this. That not only have they tried different things, but it was and still is a process where they are getting input from the players as well as the whole coaching staff. As Torts said, the idea that it is his way or the highway is untrue, they are pulling ideas from everyone,players included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I completely disagree. Yea contracts are a bit pricy but don't shoot us in the foot. They're out franchise players and best to lace up the skates for this team. They will be mentors nearing the end of the career and can still chip in offensively; it's just been an off year for them and case in point is everyone is having an off year. Trade away the Sedin's = Oilers 2.0, have no one to help the kids develop. Look at the Sharks for instance, they were at a point where everyone wanted Thornton and Marleau gone and wanted to pass the torch onto other players but management kept them and it's worked beautifully. They are still contributing, helping the kids, and have a lot of promise. This. ^^^^^* The twins get a lot of crap that they don't deserve, we are a one line team- the twins. Any team can stop one line if there is nothing else they have to be concerned about. They are hurting because the team sucks and we have no second line. Add a second line and the twins will get back on pace. And That. All three getting healthy will be a BIG help as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Exactly. I can't believe how many posts it took for someone to finally get to the heart of the matter. Yes, the core is in decay and yes, MG has failed to make the hard decisions over the last 2 seasons to prevent this from happening, but at the end of the day, the coach's job is to put the players he has today in the best position to win. He actually has made the hard decisions as of the Schneider trade. We're now seeing the results that are inherent in the early stages of a re-tool... Growing pains and losses. The sucking now and trading guys like Schneider and Lu away will pay dividends in the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I think in a way when torts goes out and states that "it's my responsibility" he almost in a backhanded way making a statement that he has crap (because of MG) to play but it's still his responsibility to get them playing hockey. Just my take. Dead on. Same team that got AV fired, can't pull it together for Torts. The team isn't gelling. Gillis isn't a hockey man. He's not part of the old boys' club. His bold moves is to insert journeymen who weren't drafted. If your weren't drafted, it's probably because no one noticed you by the time you turned 16. Fire Gillis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 He actually has made the hard decisions as of the Schneider trade. We're now seeing the results that are inherent in the early stages of a re-tool... Growing pains and losses. The sucking now and trading guys like Schneider and Lu away will pay dividends in the next few years. Yes. That will be ten very high 1st rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Dead on. Same team that got AV fired, can't pull it together for Torts. The team isn't gelling. Gillis isn't a hockey man. He's not part of the old boys' club. His bold moves is to insert journeymen who weren't drafted. If your weren't drafted, it's probably because no one noticed you by the time you turned 16. Fire Gillis. MG's signing of, undrafted and underutilized players is one of his best strengths. So yeah.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Yes. That will be ten very high 1st rounders. Well at least this year and possibly next depending on if we go re-tool or full re-build this summer (ie: trade Kesler) and how fast the young guys develop and gel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pianoman13 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 But we can't move on past them because our dumb GM just signed those two Sedins to golden parachute contracts for four more years. (Oh and signed a fat contract himself... Ugh) I don't think anyone quite gets this. We're not going ANYWHERE or improving AT ALL until those four years are up and the Sedins are gone (unless the graciously retire before that time because they're playing so awful year after year). I hate stupid comments like this. They have had a bad half a year. Beginning of the year they were fine, last year was fine, year before one of them one the freaking scoring race, and the other the year before. They have been great! They will be fine next year, sure not superstars, but when they are healthy again, remember Henrik was playing injured even before that Hanzal incident. Just stop making stupid knee jerk comments that are false and just use your brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I hate stupid comments like this. They have had a bad half a year. Beginning of the year they were fine, last year was fine, year before one of them one the freaking scoring race, and the other the year before. They have been great! They will be fine next year, sure not superstars, but when they are healthy again, remember Henrik was playing injured even before that Hanzal incident. Just stop making stupid knee jerk comments that are false and just use your brain. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 It's not all torts fault but he certainly has a large part to do with this. Lets not forget if Santo hadn't ignited higgins and kesler in December we'd be out of the playoff picture completely.Towards the end of December we struggled to score goals despite having easy teams to play with. The only good months we have had with torts is October and December. So far the other months have been worse than the bad months we had with AV. We have allowed 4+ goals 12 times in our last 26 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter.S-Kerouac Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Can we all agree that just -MAYBE- there might be more than one sole thing to blame for this? what is that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABNuck Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 So sick and tired of hearing excuses for this team. I used to hate it when Lu would step up after a game and humbly say it was his fault for a loss. Trust me, just because someone steps up and says "it's my fault" doesn't mean it's not just an excuse in another format. We all like it when someone is so-called "man enough" to own up for a loss. Personally I hate that crap. If I'm the coach we'll deal with that in the dressing room, not play "responsibility hero" in front of the camera. Winners don't make excuses. Enough of the excuses...fix this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawkdrummer Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Fire MG No, no Nino this... Editorial: For fans’ sake, it’s time to fire John Tortorella The Province March 12, 2014 StoryPhotos ( 1 ) Vancouver Canucks head coach John Tortorella scratches his chin while standing on the bench as Zac Dalpe, from left to right, Nicklas Jensen, of Denmark, Dan Hamhuis and Ryan Kesler look on during second period NHL hockey action against the Calgary Flames in Vancouver, B.C., on Saturday March 8, 2014. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Darryl Dyck ORG XMIT: VCRD215 Photograph by: DARRYL DYCK , THE CANADIAN PRESS Torts must go. Now. While it might seem mean or unfair after less than one season behind the bench, and while it might be true that he’s not the biggest problem, and while it might not matter since the team is almost certainly out of the playoffs, Vancouver Canucks coach John Tortorella must be fired. If the Canucks’ ownership has any interest in maintaining fan support for their disaster of a team, especially among season ticket holders, they need to buy out the rest of Tortorella five-year, $10-million contract and they need to do it now, not later. The situation is that serious. Fans and sports commentators have been asking if Monday night’s stunning third-period breakdown, where the Canucks gave up a 3-0 lead and allowed the New York Islanders to score seven goals, meant the team had hit “bottom.” But Monday was just a symptom of a much larger problem: the Canucks have clearly quit playing for Tortorella, who’s all-defence, bang-it-up style of play doesn’t suit the creative play of the Canucks players, especially the Sedins. Torts’ coaching has turned a Presidents’ Trophy-winning team into a squad that has won just six of the 26 games it has played this year. And his moral-sapping decision not to play Roberto Luongo in the Heritage Classic must have every player questioning his commitment to any of them. GM Mike Gillis may need to go too, but Torts must go now. © Copyright © Postmedia News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Torts has made a lot of mistakes this season. Goalie situation. Riding the Sedins when its well known they play well in the 19 mins a game zone. Shot blocking injury riddled mess. I dont think they players like him they are playing like they want him gone. System? What is it really? Block shots and fore check? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I completely disagree. Yea contracts are a bit pricy but don't shoot us in the foot. They're out franchise players and best to lace up the skates for this team. They will be mentors nearing the end of the career and can still chip in offensively; it's just been an off year for them and case in point is everyone is having an off year. Trade away the Sedin's = Oilers 2.0, have no one to help the kids develop. Look at the Sharks for instance, they were at a point where everyone wanted Thornton and Marleau gone and wanted to pass the torch onto other players but management kept them and it's worked beautifully. They are still contributing, helping the kids, and have a lot of promise. Good post. Yes we need re-tooling. We also need some stability while doing so! I agree also with the sentiment of the title in this thread. Yes its Torts responsibility. I do like that he says it. But I'm watching... I want to see the compete level back to a high level, and the emotions even keel. No more lets broad street bully the Kings, but rather respond as a team as the game dictates. Like Hansen did in response to Slaters hit; not 4 games later while beating a war drum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 I find nothing wrong with Tortorella. If Tortorella coaches playoff hockey and the Canucks have broken down playing that type of hockey, then the Canucks are not built to play playoff hockey. How can they have a chance at winning the Cup if they can't play playoff hockey? To note, the Canucks also broke down playing playoff hockey against the Bruins. It started in the Nashville series. So the Canucks need to assemble a playoff hockey team. It's not necessarily the players' fault that there was a coaching change. Then again, if Tortorella has exposed the Canucks as a team that can't play playoff hockey, then perhaps it is indeed on the players. If the players don't work out in playing the type of hockey that wins Cups, then change the players. That's where Gillis fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Kenobi Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Can't blame the coach when the Sedins went goalless for half the year along with Burr. To an extent, the coach can try to compensate, but the problem hasn't been the callups, the 4th line, the 3rd line, the marginal players. The problem has been the first line. Coaching is most effective and noticeable with the marginal folks. And Torts has done just that, got Canucks scoring from pretty much everywhere. In the end, the players haven't stepped up. That's not the fault of Gillis, or Torts. You put them in a position where they can succeed or fail, and they do just that, succeed or fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown33429 Posted March 13, 2014 Share Posted March 13, 2014 Whether he's to blame or not, I respect that hold themselves accountable rather than passing the buck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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