LUCKY#4 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 As every other canucks fan out there, I am quite frustrated with how this season has gone. I had a very slow day at work and had some time to look at some stats. I was blaming this entire season on a result of countless injuries and players not producing, some due to the injuries they've had and tried to play through. This has been a dreadful season when it comes to the PP, the PK (as of late) and the injuries that have plagued this team all year long. But there is more than just that, that has been hindering this teams success... As of monday we were the #1 most penalized team. Philly just passed us on tuesday by 5 minutes. Here are the PIMs as of prior to all games occuring march 20th Total Penalty minutes 1. Philly = 944 PIM 2. Vancouver = 939 PIM 3. Winnipeg = 881 PIM 4. Toronto = 875 PIM 5. Montreal = 846 PIM 6. Ottawa = 826 PIM 7. St. Louis = 793PIM 8. Washington = 791 PIM 9. Boston = 751 PIM 10. Columbus = 735 PIM 11. Anaheim = 712 PIM 12. Los Angeles = 711 PIM 13. New York Islanders = 709 PIM 14. Dallas = 708 PIM 15. Tampa Bay = 698 PIM 16. Pittsburgh = 696 PIM 17. Calgary = 685 PIM 18. Edmonton = 683 PIM 19. Colorado = 675 PIM 20. New York Rangers = 648 PIM 21. San Jose = 638 PIM 22. Phoenix = 635 PIM 23. Florida = 610 PIM 24. Nashville = 594 PIM 25. Detroit = 585 PIM 26. Buffalo = 578 PIM 27. Chicago = 569 PIM 28. Minnesota = 565 PIM 29. New Jersey = 522 PIM 30. Carolina = 505 PIM So now that the Sedins are killing penalties, how do you expect them to score and have as much success as they have had in previous years, when we are the SECOND MOST PENALIZED TEAM?! certainly you cannot blame them for their lack of points when they are now a part of that 939 PIM of killing and serving penalties (not a great figure of number due to fighting majors being included in that 939 PIM, however i think you kinda get the point) We are: 2nd in total penalty minutes (averaging between 13 PIM per game) 4th in man games lost due to injury (and climbing, plus some of the teams ahead of us arent missing as important of players to their line-up and some are counting back-up goaltenders) 5th in most suspensions this year 12th ranked PK (82.9%) as of late. Certainly this has begun to decline post December 10-1-1 record, largely due to the massive ammounts of injuries we have suffered these past few months 17 THE NUMBER OF BACK TO BACK GAMES THIS SEASON 26th ranked PP 14.8% 27th overall when scoring first ( .545 ) 28th when leading after 2 periods ( .720 when leading after 2 ) 29th overall for goals per game ( 2.32 GPG) The astonishing thing about all these stats is that we are: 3 points out of a playoff spot 8 less wins than the CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS. 8 points behind LA and Minnesota who BOTH have 200+ less PIM than us this year and far less significant injuries ( yes Quick was out for awhile but their goal tending rookie duo did an incredible job to help their HEALTHY FORWARDS win games) 9 the number of wins from jan 1st to march 20th and yet.... we are 3 points out of a playoff spot. this truly could have been a magical year, perhaps THE year, if we were just.....healthy.... Now yes you can say that the teams we are chasing all have 2+ games on us. But I want to look at the bright side here, and that is with a team who is 4th in most injuries, 2nd in most penalty minutes, 5th in most suspensions almost dead last in everything that has to do with scoring.... we have kept up and come so close to making it into the playoffs this year. I know it is highly unlikely that we are going to make it, but i have to say well done Vancouver Canucks for all your hardwork and getting through as much adversity as any team could face all at once, and being so close. This team is far better than what the standing show. I can actually say that i will not be disappointed in the Canucks if they do not make the playoffs this year, I am proud that they have made it as close as they have through all the crap that has happened this year. Just where would the Vancouver Canucks be...IF Vancouvers PP % went up 5% (or more with healthy bodies), IF we had 200 less PIMs, or IF Burrows didnt break his foot, or his jaw, IF Santorelli didnt injure his shoulder and require him to miss the remainder of the season, IF Henrik didnt get injured and miss those games, IF Edler didnt get hurt or get suspended and lose confidence in himself...so many "what if" scenarios... Just where would the Vancouver Canucks be..... SO PLEASE, stop blaming individual players for their lack of points. Look at the roster we have each night, we average about 3-4 players missing per game ( averaging out total games missed with games played thus far). Do not write this team off, instead look forward to the years coming when this team gets healthy and adds a potential top 10 draft pick. It is only a bright future for the Canucks and I really do believe a Stanley Cup is not far from us at all, WITH THE SEDINS TORTS AND MG. I BELIEVE IN THIS GROUP AND SO SHOULD YOU! !GO CANUCKS GO! P.S. sorry for the long-ish read, this is also my first post and I may have lost my train of thought a few times while writing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I see a severe lack of disapline on this team higgins took 3penalties in third last week. lazy hooking and tripping call. Skate and work harder we still can make the playoffs if we get lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 As every other canucks fan out there, I am quite frustrated with how this season has gone. I had a very slow day at work and had some time to look at some stats. I was blaming this entire season on a result of countless injuries and players not producing, some due to the injuries they've had and tried to play through. This has been a dreadful season when it comes to the PP, the PK (as of late) and the injuries that have plagued this team all year long. But there is more than just that, that has been hindering this teams success... As of monday we were the #1 most penalized team. Philly just passed us on tuesday by 5 minutes. Here are the PIMs as of prior to all games occuring march 20th Total Penalty minutes 1. Philly = 944 PIM 2. Vancouver = 939 PIM 3. Winnipeg = 881 PIM 4. Toronto = 875 PIM 5. Montreal = 846 PIM 6. Ottawa = 826 PIM 7. St. Louis = 793PIM 8. Washington = 791 PIM 9. Boston = 751 PIM 10. Columbus = 735 PIM 11. Anaheim = 712 PIM 12. Los Angeles = 711 PIM 13. New York Islanders = 709 PIM 14. Dallas = 708 PIM 15. Tampa Bay = 698 PIM 16. Pittsburgh = 696 PIM 17. Calgary = 685 PIM 18. Edmonton = 683 PIM 19. Colorado = 675 PIM 20. New York Rangers = 648 PIM 21. San Jose = 638 PIM 22. Phoenix = 635 PIM 23. Florida = 610 PIM 24. Nashville = 594 PIM 25. Detroit = 585 PIM 26. Buffalo = 578 PIM 27. Chicago = 569 PIM 28. Minnesota = 565 PIM 29. New Jersey = 522 PIM 30. Carolina = 505 PIM So now that the Sedins are killing penalties, how do you expect them to score and have as much success as they have had in previous years, when we are the SECOND MOST PENALIZED TEAM?! certainly you cannot blame them for their lack of points when they are now a part of that 939 PIM of killing and serving penalties (not a great figure of number due to fighting majors being included in that 939 PIM, however i think you kinda get the point) We are: 1st - 17 - THE NUMBER OF BACK TO BACK GAMES THIS SEASON - 34 total. 2nd in total penalty minutes (averaging between 13 PIM per game) 4th in man games lost due to injury (and climbing, plus some of the teams ahead of us arent missing as important of players to their line-up and some are counting back-up goaltenders) 5th in most suspensions this year 12th ranked PK (82.9%) as of late. Certainly this has begun to decline post December 10-1-1 record, largely due to the massive ammounts of injuries we have suffered these past few months 26th ranked PP 14.8% 27th overall when scoring first ( .545 ) 28th when leading after 2 periods ( .720 when leading after 2 ) 29th overall for goals per game ( 2.32 GPG) The astonishing thing about all these stats is that we are: 3 points out of a playoff spot 8 less wins than the CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS. 8 points behind LA and Minnesota who BOTH have 200+ less PIM than us this year and far less significant injuries ( yes Quick was out for awhile but their goal tending rookie duo did an incredible job to help their HEALTHY FORWARDS win games) 9 the number of wins from jan 1st to march 20th and yet.... we are 3 points out of a playoff spot. this truly could have been a magical year, perhaps THE year, if we were just.....healthy.... Now yes you can say that the teams we are chasing all have 2+ games on us. But I want to look at the bright side here, and that is with a team who is 4th in most injuries, 2nd in most penalty minutes, 5th in most suspensions almost dead last in everything that has to do with scoring.... we have kept up and come so close to making it into the playoffs this year. I know it is highly unlikely that we are going to make it, but i have to say well done Vancouver Canucks for all your hardwork and getting through as much adversity as any team could face all at once, and being so close. This team is far better than what the standing show. I can actually say that i will not be disappointed in the Canucks if they do not make the playoffs this year, I am proud that they have made it as close as they have through all the crap that has happened this year. Just where would the Vancouver Canucks be...IF Vancouvers PP % went up 5% (or more with healthy bodies), IF we had 200 less PIMs, or IF Burrows didnt break his foot, or his jaw, IF Santorelli didnt injure his shoulder and require him to miss the remainder of the season, IF Henrik didnt get injured and miss those games, IF Edler didnt get hurt or get suspended and lose confidence in himself...so many "what if" scenarios... Just where would the Vancouver Canucks be..... SO PLEASE, stop blaming individual players for their lack of points. Look at the roster we have each night, we average about 3-4 players missing per game ( averaging out total games missed with games played thus far). Do not write this team off, instead look forward to the years coming when this team gets healthy and adds a potential top 10 draft pick. It is only a bright future for the Canucks and I really do believe a Stanley Cup is not far from us at all, WITH THE SEDINS TORTS AND MG. I BELIEVE IN THIS GROUP AND SO SHOULD YOU! !GO CANUCKS GO! P.S. sorry for the long-ish read, this is also my first post and I may have lost my train of thought a few times while writing this. +1 for all your effort here. Injuries, travel / compressed Olympic schedule and brutal puck luck have certainly played their parts. Edited one part (1st). I agree with you that the team is much better than it appears (when taken out of context) - and I think it also has a very bright group of young players about to close the gap and make the team much deeper, with much more flexibility. I think the team still has a very bright future - pretty much immediately upon getting healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Yeah, we've got some undisciplined guys. Burrows, Kassian, and the Sedins take terrible penalties in the offensive zone all the time, and Kesler takes bad penalties when he gets pissed off. Bieksa takes some lazy penalties, as does Edler when he gets beat clean. In all fairness Sestito got a lot of penalties just sticking up for us when we were down. Taking penalties is fine when you have the number 1 PK. That's a big reason we fell apart. Decent first post though. Kudos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 on top of that that road trip to california destroyed this team mentally. During the trip the canucks lost henrik, santorelli and luongo to injuries, lost 9-2 to anaheim which scored 6 pp goals (before the game canucks were 1st on the PK), also had 2 seven minute 5 on 3s and some terrible reffing. To top it all off the lost all three games, Martin hanzal got a $15,000 fine for injuring 3 of our players including 2 key ones. Then there was the calgary game and torts suspension. The team has never been the same since all of these events in January. Someone said after the Anaheim game that the 7 minute 5 on 3s spelled the end of our season and I thought he was crazy; not anymore I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 As every other canucks fan out there, I am quite frustrated with how this season has gone. I had a very slow day at work and had some time to look at some stats. I was blaming this entire season on a result of countless injuries and players not producing, some due to the injuries they've had and tried to play through. This has been a dreadful season when it comes to the PP, the PK (as of late) and the injuries that have plagued this team all year long. But there is more than just that, that has been hindering this teams success... As of monday we were the #1 most penalized team. Philly just passed us on tuesday by 5 minutes.Here are the PIMs as of prior to all games occuring march 20thTotal Penalty minutes 1. Philly = 944 PIM 2. Vancouver = 939 PIM 3. Winnipeg = 881 PIM 4. Toronto = 875 PIM 5. Montreal = 846 PIM 6. Ottawa = 826 PIM7. St. Louis = 793PIM8. Washington = 791 PIM9. Boston = 751 PIM10. Columbus = 735 PIM11. Anaheim = 712 PIM12. Los Angeles = 711 PIM13. New York Islanders = 709 PIM14. Dallas = 708 PIM15. Tampa Bay = 698 PIM16. Pittsburgh = 696 PIM17. Calgary = 685 PIM18. Edmonton = 683 PIM19. Colorado = 675 PIM20. New York Rangers = 648 PIM21. San Jose = 638 PIM22. Phoenix = 635 PIM23. Florida = 610 PIM24. Nashville = 594 PIM25. Detroit = 585 PIM26. Buffalo = 578 PIM27. Chicago = 569 PIM28. Minnesota = 565 PIM29. New Jersey = 522 PIM30. Carolina = 505 PIM So now that the Sedins are killing penalties, how do you expect them to score and have as much success as they have had in previous years, when we are the SECOND MOST PENALIZED TEAM?! certainly you cannot blame them for their lack of points when they are now a part of that 939 PIM of killing and serving penalties (not a great figure of number due to fighting majors being included in that 939 PIM, however i think you kinda get the point) We are:2nd in total penalty minutes (averaging between 13 PIM per game) 4th in man games lost due to injury (and climbing, plus some of the teams ahead of us arent missing as important of players to their line-up and some are counting back-up goaltenders) 5th in most suspensions this year 12th ranked PK (82.9%) as of late. Certainly this has begun to decline post December 10-1-1 record, largely due to the massive ammounts of injuries we have suffered these past few months 17 THE NUMBER OF BACK TO BACK GAMES THIS SEASON 26th ranked PP 14.8% 27th overall when scoring first ( .545 ) 28th when leading after 2 periods ( .720 when leading after 2 ) 29th overall for goals per game ( 2.32 GPG) The astonishing thing about all these stats is that we are:3 points out of a playoff spot 8 less wins than the CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS. 8 points behind LA and Minnesota who BOTH have 200+ less PIM than us this year and far less significant injuries ( yes Quick was out for awhile but their goal tending rookie duo did an incredible job to help their HEALTHY FORWARDS win games) 9 the number of wins from jan 1st to march 20th and yet.... we are 3 points out of a playoff spot.this truly could have been a magical year, perhaps THE year, if we were just.....healthy.... Now yes you can say that the teams we are chasing all have 2+ games on us. But I want to look at the bright side here, and that is with a team who is 4th in most injuries, 2nd in most penalty minutes, 5th in most suspensions almost dead last in everything that has to do with scoring.... we have kept up and come so close to making it into the playoffs this year. I know it is highly unlikely that we are going to make it, but i have to say well done Vancouver Canucks for all your hardwork and getting through as much adversity as any team could face all at once, and being so close. This team is far better than what the standing show. I can actually say that i will not be disappointed in the Canucks if they do not make the playoffs this year, I am proud that they have made it as close as they have through all the crap that has happened this year. Just where would the Vancouver Canucks be...IF Vancouvers PP % went up 5% (or more with healthy bodies), IF we had 200 less PIMs, or IF Burrows didnt break his foot, or his jaw, IF Santorelli didnt injure his shoulder and require him to miss the remainder of the season, IF Henrik didnt get injured and miss those games, IF Edler didnt get hurt or get suspended and lose confidence in himself...so many "what if" scenarios... Just where would the Vancouver Canucks be..... SO PLEASE, stop blaming individual players for their lack of points. Look at the roster we have each night, we average about 3-4 players missing per game ( averaging out total games missed with games played thus far). Do not write this team off, instead look forward to the years coming when this team gets healthy and adds a potential top 10 draft pick. It is only a bright future for the Canucks and I really do believe a Stanley Cup is not far from us at all, WITH THE SEDINS TORTS AND MG. I BELIEVE IN THIS GROUP AND SO SHOULD YOU! !GO CANUCKS GO! P.S. sorry for the long-ish read, this is also my first post and I may have lost my train of thought a few times while writing this.Thank you for posting this... People seem to think that this group is incapable of winning... They are so sadly mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ride the red Pony Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 http://www.mangameslost.com/nhl-man-games-lost-chip-tmitt-march-20-2014/ Injury concerns and where the Canucks lie in the scheme of things. I am not a big stats guy but for those of you who are, check out the above link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Great fist post OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Yea, very informative post OP, thank you Puts thing into perspective for this team and shows how hard it'll be to fight for that final playoff spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I think the penalty parade started around our 'moral victory' time in LA.But the refs haven't been kind to this group on the whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmon Arm Canuck Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Kudos for your work....What I find fascinating is five of the top six teams in this state are Canadian. Cue the conspiracy theorist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Question.....has this team played like it deserved to be 2nd overall in pim.....not a chance. The refs have stuck it to us every chance they got and the league backed it up bogus suspensions. The league are trying to get guys fired that don't deserve it. Stand pat Vancouver and then stick it to the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rypien37 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Those numbers are HIGHLY inflated based on the number of misconducts Sestito and Kassian got over that stretch in January were we fought everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 What...like 3 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.DirtyDangles Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 This logic you are peddling is very dangerous. Minds are being blown ! This post is is above and beyond the call of duty ! Excellent analysis of the Canucks season. I had no idea we are the most penalized next to Philly ? As yo pointed out this speaks volumes as to why the twins have struggled so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Come playoffs is there is no Canadien team playing.....shut off the TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 id still like to play the blame game but thanks for the effort .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 What is so mind blowing is how big the spread is. Just wow....200+ mins more than the #10 ranked Columbus...wow...that is 100 2 min powerplays. Tell me again the league is on the up and up. We are getting shafted and we are not the only team that is. 5 out of the top 6 are canadien teams.Do any of these teams play like they should be in the top 6?The Leafs maybe. Time to start taking our game back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 the canucks have played slow and lazy for the last 3 years. i guarantee the bulk of those penalties are hooks, holds, trips, slashes and interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Far more interesting and compelling than Vancouver's particular situation, is the fact that five of the six most penalized teams are Canadian. The two lesser penalized Canadian teams are Calgary and Edmonton - teams that are in no danger of bumping a US team out of the playoffs. The five contending Canadian teams Vancouver, Toronto, Ottawa, Toronto, and Winnipeg are all getting f*cked by the league and the officials that they rule. It is not only the power plays but the crap served up by US teams against Canadian teams that goes unpenalized. If people can't see this for what it is they are idiots. Look at the penalty stats. Look where the contending Canadian teams are. If you can't see that writing on that particular wall, you are blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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