motzaburger Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Everyone seems to keep referring to Bob Mckenzie’s and Craig Button’s draft rankings, but why? They are two people who definitely have not been around and have not watched all these players. Everyone is just jumping to conclusions using these rankings from two people who speculate from behind a desk all day. If there are any rankings to follow they are from CS (Central Scouting) and ISS (International Scouting Services). These companies get evaluations from scouts across the world and together they see everyone compete and play. And we all know no one on here is a scout so keep in mind these will be the most accurate drafting orders straight from the scouts. Most of you have Ehlers, Virtanen, and Ritchie around the 6th/7th pick but as you will see below, Draisaitl and Nylander will be in our range and a player like Bennet or Dal Colle may slip depending on the needs of other teams. I will be updating the rankings as the ISS updates their rankings monthly and I will be updating the CS ranking if they also revise their choices. CS North American Skaters (TOP 15): 1 BENNETT, SAMUEL KINGSTON OHL C 6' 0.25" 178 2 EKBLAD, AARON BARRIE OHL D 6' 3.5" 216 3 REINHART, SAM KOOTENAY WHL C 6' 0.75" 185 4 DRAISAITL, LEON PRINCE ALBERT WHL C 6' 1.5" 204 5 DAL COLLE, MICHAEL OSHAWA OHL LW6' 1.5" 182 6 VIRTANEN, JAKE CALGARY WHL RW 6' 0.75" 208 7 RITCHIE, NICHOLAS PETERBOROUGH OHL LW 6' 2.25" 226 8 PERLINI, BRENDAN NIAGARA OHL LW 6' 2.75" 205 9 FLEURY, HAYDN RED DEER WHL D 6' 2.5" 203 10 MCCANN, JARED SAULT STE. MARIE OHL C 6' 0.25" 179 11 HONKA, JULIUS SWIFT CURRENT WHL D 5' 10.75" 180 12 TUCH, ALEX USA U-18 USHL RW 6' 3.5" 213 13 EHLERS, NIKOLAJ HALIFAX QMJHL LW 5' 11.0" 162 14 DEANGELO, ANTHONY SARNIA OHL D 5' 10.5" 175 15 SCHERBAK, NIKITA SASKATOON WHL RW 6' 1.0" 175 CS Europe Skaters (TOP 15): 1 KAPANEN, KASPERI KALPA FINLAND RW 6' 0.0" 180 2 NYLANDER, WILLIAM MODO SWEDEN C/RW 5' 11.0" 169 3 FIALA, KEVIN HV 71 SWEDEN LW 5' 10.0" 180 4 VRANA, JAKUB LINKOPING SWEDEN LW/RW 5' 11.0" 185 5 PASTRNAK, DAVID SODERTALJE SWEDEN-2 RW 6' 0.0" 167 6 KEMPE, ADRIAN MODO SWEDEN LW 6' 1.5" 187 7 PETTERSSON, MARCUS SKELLEFTEA JR. SWEDEN-JR. D 6' 4.0" 167 8 KASE, ONDREJ CHOMUTOV CZREP RW 6' 0.0" 165 9 AHO, SEBASTIAN SKELLEFTEA SWEDEN D 5' 9.25" 165 10 MASIN, DOMINIK SLAVIA JR. CZREP-JR. D 6' 2.0" 189 11 KARLSSON, ANTON FROLUNDA JR. SWEDEN-JR. RW 6' 1.25" 187 12 JOHANSSON, EMIL HV 71 JR. SWEDEN-JR. D 5' 11.75" 194 13 KAMENEV, VLADISLAV MAGNITOGORSK 2 RUSSIA-JR. LW 6' 2.0" 203 14 LAMMIKKO, JUHO ASSAT JR. FINLAND-JR. RW 6' 2.5" 189 15 OLLAS MATTSSON, ADAM DJURGARDEN JR. SWEDEN-JR. D 6' 4.0" 209 And this the ISS rankings which compares all players from N.A. and Europe together: *WAS UPDATED ON JUNE 3RD/2014 2014 Final Pre-Draft Rankings 1. Reinhart, Sam C 2. Ekblad, Aaron D 3. Dal Colle, Michael C 4 . Bennett, Sam C 5. Nylander, William RW 6. Draisaitl, Leon C 7. Virtanen, Jake RW 8. Fabbri, Robby C 9. Perlini, Brendan LW 10. Ritchie, Nicholas LW 11. Ehlers, Nikolaj LW 12. Fleury, Haydn LD 13. Kapanen, Kasperi RW 14. Tuch, Alex RW 15. Larkin, Dylan C 16. Milano, Sonny LW 17. McCann, Jared C 18. Ho-Sang, Joshua RW 19. Barbashev, Ivan C 20. Fiala, Kevin RW 21. Vrana, Jakub RW 22. Kempe, Adrian LW 23. McKeown, Roland D 24. Schmaltz, Nick RW 25. MacInnis, Ryan C 26. Bleackley, Conner C/RW 27. Scherbak, Nikita RW 28. Goldobin, Nikolay RW 29. Kamenev, Vladislav C 30. Sanheim, Travis D Take a listen here for a brief discussion with the head ISS Scout about a few of the prospects in our range: http://www.isshockey.com/tsn-radio-toronto-1050-interview-ross-maclean-iss-hockey-head-western-scout/ Here’s a sound clip from Oilers now with Head Scout Ross Mclean: https://soundcloud.com/630ched/oilers-now-may-8th-3rd-half-hour Useful site that shows most top sits rankings including TSN. http://www.mynhldraft.com/2014-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings/ http://www.redlinereport.com http://www.redlinereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2014-CHL-Top-Prospects-RLR.pdf Keep in consideration that the rankings can change drastically if players under-perform in the playoffs and also if some players sustain injuries that NHL teams get concerned about. The combine is coming up soon and this can drastically affect a players projected draft position also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Nylander at 5? Lets hope we get him then. I don't follow the Rooks to be I kind of just jump on some hype trains mixed in with cool sounding player names. Still hope we get Virtanen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Everyone seems to keep referring to Bob Mckenzie’s and Craig Button’s draft rankings, but why? They are two people who definitely have not been around and have not watched all these players. Everyone is just jumping to conclusions using these rankings from two people who speculate from behind a desk all day. If there are any rankings to follow they are from CS (Central Scouting) and ISS (International Scouting Services). These companies get evaluations from scouts across the world and together they see everyone compete and play. And we all know no one on here is a scout so keep in mind these will be the most accurate drafting orders straight from the scouts. Most of you have Ehlers, Virtanen, and Ritchie around the 6th/7th pick but as you will see below, Draisaitl and Nylander will be in our range and a player like Bennet or Dal Colle may slip depending on the needs of other teams. I will be updating the rankings as the ISS updates their monthly and I will be updating the CS ranking if they also revise their choices. CS North American Skaters (TOP 15): 1 BENNETT, SAMUEL KINGSTON OHL C 6' 0.25" 178 2 EKBLAD, AARON BARRIE OHL D 6' 3.5" 216 3 REINHART, SAM KOOTENAY WHL C 6' 0.75" 185 4 DRAISAITL, LEON PRINCE ALBERT WHL C 6' 1.5" 204 5 DAL COLLE, MICHAEL OSHAWA OHL LW6' 1.5" 182 6 VIRTANEN, JAKE CALGARY WHL RW 6' 0.75" 208 7 RITCHIE, NICHOLAS PETERBOROUGH OHL LW 6' 2.25" 226 8 PERLINI, BRENDAN NIAGARA OHL LW 6' 2.75" 205 9 FLEURY, HAYDN RED DEER WHL D 6' 2.5" 203 10 MCCANN, JARED SAULT STE. MARIE OHL C 6' 0.25" 179 11 HONKA, JULIUS SWIFT CURRENT WHL D 5' 10.75" 180 12 TUCH, ALEX USA U-18 USHL RW 6' 3.5" 213 13 EHLERS, NIKOLAJ HALIFAX QMJHL LW 5' 11.0" 162 14 DEANGELO, ANTHONY SARNIA OHL D 5' 10.5" 175 15 SCHERBAK, NIKITA SASKATOON WHL RW 6' 1.0" 175 CS Europe Skaters (TOP 15): 1 KAPANEN, KASPERI KALPA FINLAND RW 6' 0.0" 180 2 NYLANDER, WILLIAM MODO SWEDEN C/RW 5' 11.0" 169 3 FIALA, KEVIN HV 71 SWEDEN LW 5' 10.0" 180 4 VRANA, JAKUB LINKOPING SWEDEN LW/RW 5' 11.0" 185 5 PASTRNAK, DAVID SODERTALJE SWEDEN-2 RW 6' 0.0" 167 6 KEMPE, ADRIAN MODO SWEDEN LW 6' 1.5" 187 7 PETTERSSON, MARCUS SKELLEFTEA JR. SWEDEN-JR. D 6' 4.0" 167 8 KASE, ONDREJ CHOMUTOV CZREP RW 6' 0.0" 165 9 AHO, SEBASTIAN SKELLEFTEA SWEDEN D 5' 9.25" 165 10 MASIN, DOMINIK SLAVIA JR. CZREP-JR. D 6' 2.0" 189 11 KARLSSON, ANTON FROLUNDA JR. SWEDEN-JR. RW 6' 1.25" 187 12 JOHANSSON, EMIL HV 71 JR. SWEDEN-JR. D 5' 11.75" 194 13 KAMENEV, VLADISLAV MAGNITOGORSK 2 RUSSIA-JR. LW 6' 2.0" 203 14 LAMMIKKO, JUHO ASSAT JR. FINLAND-JR. RW 6' 2.5" 189 15 OLLAS MATTSSON, ADAM DJURGARDEN JR. SWEDEN-JR. D 6' 4.0" 209 And updated monthly the ISS which compares all players from N.A. and Europe together (TOP 15): Reinhart, Sam Ekblad, Aaron Dal Colle, Michael Bennett, Sam Nylander, William Draisaitl, Leon Perlini, Brendan Tuch, Alex Ritchie, Nicholas Virtanen, Jake Ehlers, Nikolaj Fleury, Haydn Kapanen, Kasperi Larkin, Dylan McCann, Jared Keep in consideration that the rankings can change drastically if players under-perform in the playoffs and also if some players sustain injuries that NHL teams get concerned about. I hope thats how the draft goes...imagine getting Leon. Wunderbar!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRAY Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Whoa how is Dal Colle ranked higher than Sam Bennett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodos Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I'd be thrilled if it worked out this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Nylander at 5? Lets hope we get him then. I don't follow the Rooks to be I kind of just jump on some hype trains mixed in with cool sounding player names. Still hope we get Virtanen. Lol wish nux would hire u as a scout! All jokes aside I am surprised u are on the nylander train, lot of guys on here do not like him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Whoa how is Dal Colle ranked higher than Sam Bennett Bennett s hurt, Dal colle had an amazing year, is bigger has a larger frame and is beasting in the playoffs, I am sure that is contributing to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nas19 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Bob McKenzie's rankings aren't what he thinks. He polls a number of scouts and then ranks the prospects based on what the scouts said. I think he polled 16 different scouts this year from different teams. EDIT: Just looked it up. It's 12 NHL team scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Lol wish nux would hire u as a scout! All jokes aside I am surprised u are on the nylander train, lot of guys on here do not like him!Lol wish nux would hire u as a scout! All jokes aside I am surprised u are on the nylander train, lot of guys on here do not like him! Give me a Canadian kid that can go to the tough areas and put the fucking puck in the net. That's what this team is sorely missing. The last thing we need is another player that plays the perimeter in a cycling fashion(our PP speaks for itself on that topic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Whoa how is Dal Colle ranked higher than Sam Bennett Look at his playoff numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Give me Leon or Dal and I'd be a happy camper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Give me a Canadian kid that can go to the tough areas and put the ???? puck in the net. That's what this team is sorely missing. The last thing we need is another player that plays the perimeter in a cycling fashion(our PP speaks for itself on that topic) So would you take Draistl (German kid) or Ritchie (good Canadian boy) if it came to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 I don't get how people listen to Craig Button. He makes Sportsnet's panel look credible. As recently as January, the guy ranked McCann and Kempe in the top 10 (contrary to many). Hell, the nutjob put Draisaitl at 11 for Pete's sake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 A future line of Jensen/Shinkaruk-Draisaitl-Kassian Wouldn't be too shabby... With two players that size, you can afford to slot in a little dude like Shinkaruk, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missioncanucksfan Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Just as happy to get Virtanen....if he is gone....take Ritchie Future line of: Shinkaruk-Horvat-Virtanen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 So would you take Draistl (German kid) or Ritchie (good Canadian boy) if it came to that? Ritchie without a doubt. I know I don't want kapinen or Nylander, they seem way to over-rated. Ritchie reminds me of Bertuzzi and I see Drasaitl as having a great successful season but wonder if he's a one hit wonder. If there's a way to grab Bennett, Reinhart, Dal Colle I say we have to seize it(as long as it doesn't cost Horvat or Shink) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Lol wish nux would hire u as a scout! All jokes aside I am surprised u are on the nylander train, lot of guys on here do not like him! I've heard some good things about him. Of course I hear a lot of things it's just filtering out the crap and over exaggerations that's hard. Like Snypers unusual love for Ehlers. I want Virtanen but if 6 is too high for him the BPA is fine. BC players are paying off nicely for us, so anyone from around here is what interests me. If Nylander plays a solid two way game and gives us the best chance at playoffs one day I don't care if he's from BC, USA, Narnia or Tatooine. Get em a Jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Aquire Ottawas pick for Kesler from Anaheim and come away with two of Ritchie/Virtanen/Tuch.we have been wanting to get a big top six forever so let's stick to our plan.Chances are we don't snap back in a single summer and can aquire a high scoring centreman in next years draft.Bo the future leader would look good surrounded by 500lbs of winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzaburger Posted April 16, 2014 Author Share Posted April 16, 2014 I've heard some good things about him. Of course I hear a lot of things it's just filtering out the crap and over exaggerations that's hard. Like Snypers unusual love for Ehlers. I want Virtanen but if 6 is too high for him the BPA is fine. BC players are paying off nicely for us, so anyone from around here is what interests me. If Nylander plays a solid two way game and gives us the best chance at playoffs one day I don't care if he's from BC, USA, Narnia or Tatooine. Get em a Jersey. Haha funny, and I agree. Its nice to see home town boys, but when its all said and done we need the best possible player that can contribute most to our future and realistically gives us somewhere to build around and make a cup run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC420 Posted April 16, 2014 Share Posted April 16, 2014 Van picks 6th Draisaitl ranked 6th, and still other good prospects ahead and behind that rank. I think its safe to say we will draft a real good young player. Whether he develops into a star cant be determined now. No matter what we will get a talented kid and then its up to us to help him become the player we will need. Still, I would love if Draisaitl went to us at 6 overall, Virtanen looks good and is homegrown. Ritchie, Dal Colle Bennet, Reinhart, Nylander, Ehlers and others would all be good picks if yu put personal preference behind. I just hope whoever we pick turns out to be a real keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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