Kevo882 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Just wanted to get everyone's thoughts on which pending RFAs we will extend qualifying offers to this summer and which ones we shouldn't? Very important for stocking the farm/having solid call-ups/extras. IMO, the MUST signs are Tanev, Kassian, Schroeder (for depth), Archibald, Weber, and De Fazio (had a solid year in Utica). Maybe's: Sauve, Andersson, Cannata (depending on what happens with our goaltending situation) No: Dalpe (like the guy, but will be no room on the roster for him next year) Also, should we go after anyone else's RFAs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Select the prospect you intend to give a spot to and then think about what we need. Sauve IMO is gone, Cannata will depend if an experienced goalie is brought in ( Havalat of similar) Weber drops behind Corrado, Schroeder and Archibald maybe a two way, Santorelli for sure...he's proven himself. Kassian & Tanev naturally and Andersson depending on what McEnemy looks like or if any of the NCAA D are looking to go pro. Then fill out your AHL Roster with hopefully winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFastOne21 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Just wanted to get everyone's thoughts on which pending RFAs we will extend qualifying offers to this summer and which ones we shouldn't? Very important for stocking the farm/having solid call-ups/extras. IMO, the MUST signs are Tanev, Kassian, Schroeder (for depth), Archibald, Weber, and De Fazio (had a solid year in Utica). Maybe's: Sauve, Andersson, Cannata (depending on what happens with our goaltending situation) No: Dalpe (like the guy, but will be no room on the roster for him next year) Also, should we go after anyone else's RFAs?If Schroeder takes a 2-way contract on the cheap then I understand signing him. If he wants a 1 way for more than 1-1.5 million then no thanks.Tanev and Kassian are must signs.I think Archibald's peak is 4th line/very fringe 3rd so maybe sign to me.I think Defazio resigns for Utica, he likes it there and was important to the team and community.I think we let Weber walk as he will want more playing time that he wont get if we are finally healthy.I think we give up on Sauve. Andersson I think we re-sign to see what happens.Cannata probably wont want to be back (not exactly his option though) as he is behind Ericsson and Lack on the charts. Wouldn't mind seeing him resigned though.Dalpe is still interesting to me. If we could send him to Utica I think it would be good for him and see what happens. There is talent there, it just isnt enough to get off the 4th line yet and he doesnt belong on the 4th line.I dont like going after other RFA's. Rarely works and when it does you lose draft picks. You never know when the next Datsyuk or Zetterberg is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonecoldstevebernier Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Agree almost exactly with your list. I think we'll re-sign Andersson, he's been solid the past 2 years in the AHL, plus our list of d-men in the system is very thin - if we need to call somebody up, next year we'll have Corrado then Andersson, Tommernes, Blain, and McEneny... and whatever AHL d-men we sign. So I think its a must to keep Andersson, I could see him sneaking in a few games next year as a call-up. I don't know how many more chances Schroeder gets but I don't see us giving up on him just yet. If he wants to re-sign for similar money then I say go for it, he's got potential still and we need those bargains in the lineup. See what he can do when he gets a full healthy season (fingers crossed) and judge him after that. I'd love to see us give DeFazio a look on the 4th line next year. He was impressive in the preseason, as limited a sample size as that was, and was a rock for Utica all year long. He, Archibald, Lain, and Kenins I can all see battling for spots on the 4th line in September. Cannata's an interesting case... I don't know if I ever see him making the NHL with us though. He'd basically just be Utica depth since he's the fourth-string goalie in our system, wouldn't mind having him back but knowing that he doesn't really have a future here might make him look elsewhere. As for Sauve, the ONLY way I see him coming back is because of our poor depth, but realistically you could just sign a veteran journeyman for league minimum and he'd bring more than Sauve. Dalpe doesn't really bring anything useful to the lineup, I'd rather see some energy grinders on our 4th line than whatever he's supposed to be doing there. He's an offensive player but not good enough to crack the top 9 so there's really no room for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 ooops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Andersson, Schroeder, Archibald, Kassian, Tanev, Weber, De Fazio. I think this way Utica stays strong with keeping some guys there and we got Schroeder who can be a healthy scratch if not good enough or we can throw him in the top 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specter's Vengeance Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Sign Kassian and Tanev to 1-ways. Sign Archibald and DeFazio to 2-ways. I believe we should let Weber go to free agency if we let Corrado or Tommernes try and take the 6th spot or even look into a cheap free agency pick up. I've never been a Schroeder fan. I'm biased here when I say let him go but we should try to find a bigger center in free agency. He doesn't fit the model of what we are striving to be (or so this organization would have us believe we are trying to become.) Andersson? Coin flip. Doesn't bother me either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22sedins33 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I think it would be a mistake to not give Andersson another year to prove himself. I really like his game and I don't see anyone who is more worthy of his spot within our organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Here is my take on it from a Utica perspective. It is a post I made on another board and pasted it below. Also let me add my thoughts on Yannick Weber first. Weber - he should either be resigned or bring in another veteran to serve in that 7th D role where you may be a healthy scratch for weeks on end. Assuming the Canucks keep the current top 6 then there is no room for Corrado. He will be the first call up on the depth chart but a 21 year old kid needs to play every game and not be a 7th D in the NHL. Injuries happen and he will see time in Vancouver. Starting with the defensemen - it is time to cut bait with Sauve and let him go. He is a RFA this year and I would be surprised to see him resigned. Negrin was on an AHL contract and was hurt most of the season and when he did play looked tentative and mistake prone. At best I see Negrin brought back as a 7th defenseman who they can shuffle between Utica and K-Zoo. Corrado could use additional development in Utica and if the Canucks keep their top six D for next year I see Frankie in Utica and being the first call up on the depth chart when there is an injury. I don't see Frankie staying in Vancouver as a 7th D and sitting in the press box half the time...they will bring back Weber or sign another marginal vet for that role. Andersson is a RFA but I think he has earned another look as he has been a steady player for the Comets this year. If he could ever get more aggressive in the dirty areas he could become a 5th or 6th D in the NHL. Huskins I would love to see back if the Canucks are willing to offer him another AHL contract and "Husky" is willing to come back for another AHL grind of a season. Huskins is a coach in waiting in my opinion. Biega has more than earned another contract. Next year however he will count toward the limited number of veterans that can dress each game as he passed the 260 total pro games played this season. I liked what I saw from Blain and McEneny at the end and expect to see both of them starting the year in Utica. Anton Cederholm is another name that could make the jump from junior to Utica next year. I've read a lot of good things about this kid and even though he will still be 19 years old next October he is AHL eligible because he was drafted out of Europe and not the CHL. Forwards - It looks like there will be an influx of new prospects starting out the year in Utica which will limit the number of returning players that there will be room for next season. Gaunce, Shinkaruk, Fox, Kenins and Zalewski will be taking someone's spot on the roster. The obvious subtractions will be Marshall and Kennedy who were here on AHL PTOs just to fill out the roster when the Comets were short due to call ups and injuries. They both did their jobs well but are both bubble AHL/ECHL type players. Mallet was a healthy scratch more than any other Comet forward this year and still has another year left on his contract. He may very well end up back in K-Zoo next year. Archie is a RFA but I think he gets resigned and plays the same roll again as the Comets tough/energy guy (he is not an enforcer) with possible occasional looks in Vancouver. DeFazio is another RFA that needs to be resigned and will not count on the veteran limit next year. Tremendous work ethic that rubs off on the younger guys. Veterans - Pelletier, Stuart, Ferrerio and O'Reilly. My guess is only two of the four are brought back to make room for the new young guys and to limit the number of veteran contracts. For me the two must haves are Pelletier and O'Reilly and either would make a good captain. Edit - Forgot about Jeremy Welsh who is another UFA. I thought Welsh was an underrated player and played well for the Comets down the stretch. Very strong with the puck down low and when he was paired with Friesen it turned Alex's season around. Also was tremendous on the PK. With that said he is on a crazy one way $1M contract and will need to take a much smaller two way contract for Vancouver to consider resigning him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Here is my take on it from a Utica perspective. It is a post I made on another board and pasted it below. Also let me add my thoughts on Yannick Weber first. Weber - he should either be resigned or bring in another veteran to serve in that 7th D role where you may be a healthy scratch for weeks on end. Assuming the Canucks keep the current top 6 then there is no room for Corrado. He will be the first call up on the depth chart but a 21 year old kid needs to play every game and not be a 7th D in the NHL. Injuries happen and he will see time in Vancouver. Starting with the defensemen - it is time to cut bait with Sauve and let him go. He is a RFA this year and I would be surprised to see him resigned. Negrin was on an AHL contract and was hurt most of the season and when he did play looked tentative and mistake prone. At best I see Negrin brought back as a 7th defenseman who they can shuffle between Utica and K-Zoo. Corrado could use additional development in Utica and if the Canucks keep their top six D for next year I see Frankie in Utica and being the first call up on the depth chart when there is an injury. I don't see Frankie staying in Vancouver as a 7th D and sitting in the press box half the time...they will bring back Weber or sign another marginal vet for that role. Andersson is a RFA but I think he has earned another look as he has been a steady player for the Comets this year. If he could ever get more aggressive in the dirty areas he could become a 5th or 6th D in the NHL. Huskins I would love to see back if the Canucks are willing to offer him another AHL contract and "Husky" is willing to come back for another AHL grind of a season. Huskins is a coach in waiting in my opinion. Biega has more than earned another contract. Next year however he will count toward the limited number of veterans that can dress each game as he passed the 260 total pro games played this season. I liked what I saw from Blain and McEneny at the end and expect to see both of them starting the year in Utica. Anton Cederholm is another name that could make the jump from junior to Utica next year. I've read a lot of good things about this kid and even though he will still be 19 years old next October he is AHL eligible because he was drafted out of Europe and not the CHL. Forwards - It looks like there will be an influx of new prospects starting out the year in Utica which will limit the number of returning players that there will be room for next season. Gaunce, Shinkaruk, Fox, Kenins and Zalewski will be taking someone's spot on the roster. The obvious subtractions will be Marshall and Kennedy who were here on AHL PTOs just to fill out the roster when the Comets were short due to call ups and injuries. They both did their jobs well but are both bubble AHL/ECHL type players. Mallet was a healthy scratch more than any other Comet forward this year and still has another year left on his contract. He may very well end up back in K-Zoo next year. Archie is a RFA but I think he gets resigned and plays the same roll again as the Comets tough/energy guy (he is not an enforcer) with possible occasional looks in Vancouver. DeFazio is another RFA that needs to be resigned and will not count on the veteran limit next year. Tremendous work ethic that rubs off on the younger guys. Veterans - Pelletier, Stuart, Ferrerio and O'Reilly. My guess is only two of the four are brought back to make room for the new young guys and to limit the number of veteran contracts. For me the two must haves are Pelletier and O'Reilly and either would make a good captain. Edit - Forgot about Jeremy Welsh who is another UFA. I thought Welsh was an underrated player and played well for the Comets down the stretch. Very strong with the puck down low and when he was paired with Friesen it turned Alex's season around. Also was tremendous on the PK. With that said he is on a crazy one way $1M contract and will need to take a much smaller two way contract for Vancouver to consider resigning him. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerbera Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Just wanted to get everyone's thoughts on which pending RFAs we will extend qualifying offers to this summer and which ones we shouldn't? Very important for stocking the farm/having solid call-ups/extras. IMO, the MUST signs are Tanev, Kassian, Schroeder (for depth), Archibald, Weber, and De Fazio (had a solid year in Utica). Maybe's: Sauve, Andersson, Cannata (depending on what happens with our goaltending situation) No: Dalpe (like the guy, but will be no room on the roster for him next year)Also, should we go after anyone else's RFAs?RFA.Sign Tanev and Kassian as they are a big part of our NHL team and still relatively young.Sign Archibald and Weber (is Weber a RFA? I thought he is UFA) will provide good depth and call up. Also, don't see Alberts coming back next year.Sign Andersson for another year to see can he improve in the AHL. If not, let him go next off season.Sign Cannata, our goaltending depth is depleting quickly. I forsee Eriksson or Markstrome getting traded at the deadline for pieces or picks. Can't let the goaltending mess happen again and Cannata is the only goalie left in our system.Sign Dalpe. A better Schroeder that can create some plays in the offensive zone for depth forward.Do not sign DeFazio, too much veterans for AHL currently already and I find him to be the most disposable of the bunch.Don't see any future for Sauve, too un-reliable to be a depth D for any coach to play in the NHL level as call up. Open up this slot for college or some good UFA signing like Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 RFA. Sign Tanev and Kassian as they are a big part of our NHL team and still relatively young. Sign Archibald and Weber (is Weber a RFA? I thought he is UFA) will provide good depth and call up. Also, don't see Alberts coming back next year. Sign Andersson for another year to see can he improve in the AHL. If not, let him go next off season. Sign Cannata, our goaltending depth is depleting quickly. I forsee Eriksson or Markstrome getting traded at the deadline for pieces or picks. Can't let the goaltending mess happen again and Cannata is the only goalie left in our system. Sign Dalpe. A better Schroeder that can create some plays in the offensive zone for depth forward.Do not sign DeFazio, too much veterans for AHL currently already and I find him to be the most disposable of the bunch. Don't see any future for Sauve, too un-reliable to be a depth D for any coach to play in the NHL level as call up. Open up this slot for college or some good UFA signing like Fox. You do realize that Vancouver needs to fill out a 23 man AHL roster don't you? Let's talk reality here for a minute. Every team in the AHL has maybe 2 to 4 legitimate young prospects that are close to becoming long term NHL impact players. Maybe a couple more that need a few additional years developing in that AHL before they are ready to become fill time NHL players. The rest of the AHL line up is filled with players that may see an occasional cup of coffee in the NHL but basically are playing at the level that their skill set dictates they should be. Some of those are younger guys that are destined to be career minor league hockey players and some are veterans who may of had a chance at the NHL a couple of years earlier but wasn't able to stick. You still need 4 - 5 of these veterans on an AHL team to provide leadership to the young guys that are just learning what it takes to become professionals. They also provide depth for the NHL club for short term call ups to cover for minor injuries at the NHL level. Back to the DeFazio comment......he was by far the hardest working player on the Comets team (including during practice as mentioned by Coach Green in radio interviews) and was one of the most improved players on the team. Why would you not want him out there with your young prospects leading by example and showing them how to play the game the right way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specter's Vengeance Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 You do realize that Vancouver needs to fill out a 23 man AHL roster don't you? Let's talk reality here for a minute. Every team in the AHL has maybe 2 to 4 legitimate young prospects that are close to becoming long term NHL impact players. Maybe a couple more that need a few additional years developing in that AHL before they are ready to become fill time NHL players. The rest of the AHL line up is filled with players that may see an occasional cup of coffee in the NHL but basically are playing at the level that their skill set dictates they should be. Some of those are younger guys that are destined to be career minor league hockey players and some are veterans who may of had a chance at the NHL a couple of years earlier but wasn't able to stick. You still need 4 - 5 of these veterans on an AHL team to provide leadership to the young guys that are just learning what it takes to become professionals. They also provide depth for the NHL club for short term call ups to cover for minor injuries at the NHL level. Back to the DeFazio comment......he was by far the hardest working player on the Comets team (including during practice as mentioned by Coach Green in radio interviews) and was one of the most improved players on the team. Why would you not want him out there with your young prospects leading by example and showing them how to play the game the right way? From my experience as a fan and long time athlete of many sports, the reason you see comments like this is because of how uneducated people are when it comes to logic or facts. Their decisions are based on non-factual opinions or using what they heard a friend say. I put into practice not voicing my opinion when I don't have the right to do so and/or don't have any evidence to support my claims. Based off the evidence you've given about DeFazio, it's fairly easy to see you've done your investigating where as our friend has not. Yet, you might receive a message back stating some nonsensical "he said, she said" or "Because I don't like him" comment back. But I digress... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 From my experience as a fan and long time athlete of many sports, the reason you see comments like this is because of how uneducated people are when it comes to logic or facts. Their decisions are based on non-factual opinions or using what they heard a friend say. I put into practice not voicing my opinion when I don't have the right to do so and/or don't have any evidence to support my claims. Based off the evidence you've given about DeFazio, it's fairly easy to see you've done your investigating where as our friend has not. Yet, you might receive a message back stating some nonsensical "he said, she said" or "Because I don't like him" comment back. But I digress... I'm just coming at it from the perspective of actually seeing these guys play in person all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerbera Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 From my experience as a fan and long time athlete of many sports, the reason you see comments like this is because of how uneducated people are when it comes to logic or facts. Their decisions are based on non-factual opinions or using what they heard a friend say. I put into practice not voicing my opinion when I don't have the right to do so and/or don't have any evidence to support my claims. Based off the evidence you've given about DeFazio, it's fairly easy to see you've done your investigating where as our friend has not. Yet, you might receive a message back stating some nonsensical "he said, she said" or "Because I don't like him" comment back. But I digress... Excuse me? What did I do that deserves that insult from u? I merely stated my opinion and somehow I need to get insulted. Sure, I m not the most educated fan of Comets or Canucks for the matter. I didnt watch every comets game in person and I dunno everything about all the players on the team. If u check my previous posts, I have repeated praise UticaHockey and Bad Goalie from the posts they have posted on this forum for the information they provided. Yes, my information is taken from various messages board, but does that mean my info I read is all wrong? I DEMAND AN APOLOGY from u right now regarding this post. As for DeFazio, I think he is the most disposable because if my info is correct as challenged by u, the AHL is a developmental league where there can only be up to 4 veterans over 200+ pro games played playon the team at the same time. Thats why I consider the team will keep Pellettier, Huskins, Stuart and Cal O'Rielly over DeFazio as I find them more important to De Fazio. To UticHockey, I m sorry if my message offended you in anyway n my lack of explaination on my last post . I m sorry. But i demand an apology from the poster i quoted right away as I find his message is pointless and attacking me for no reason at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I DEMAND AN APOLOGY from u right now regarding this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I may have come across a little strong as well..... Not so much lately but earlier in the season a number of posters on here seemed to think that because the Canucks own an AHL team that they shouldn't be giving playing time to AHL veterans and shouldn't be sending "prospects" back down to the ECHL. It was bringing back nightmares of the Chicago Wolves again. Not everyone understood the value that the veterans bring to the younger prospects on the team. Anyway....here is the AHL rule on veterans. You can dress 5 per game or 6 if one of the vets has played between 260 and 320 games prior to the start of the season. In the AHL, player development is a top priority. The American Hockey League and the Professional Hockey Players' Association have the following development rule in place for the 2013-14 season:Of the 18 skaters (not counting two goaltenders) that teams may dress for a game, at least 13 must be qualified as "development players." Of those 13, 12 must have played in 260 or fewer professional games (including AHL, NHL and European elite leagues), and one must have played in 320 or fewer professional games. All calculations for development status are based on regular-season totals as of the start of the season. For what it's worth DeFazio will not be classified as a veteran next year and Biega will fall into the 260 - 320 loophole allowing for an extra veteran to be dressed. I really like how DeFazio plays the game and I am not alone. He won the only post season award that was voted on by the fans....for showing the most heart and determination. I think he also deserves "a cup of coffee" call up to sse how he would fit on the 4th line in Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerbera Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I may have come across a little strong as well..... Not so much lately but earlier in the season a number of posters on here seemed to think that because the Canucks own an AHL team that they shouldn't be giving playing time to AHL veterans and shouldn't be sending "prospects" back down to the ECHL. It was bringing back nightmares of the Chicago Wolves again. Not everyone understood the value that the veterans bring to the younger prospects on the team. Anyway....here is the AHL rule on veterans. You can dress 5 per game or 6 if one of the vets has played between 260 and 320 games prior to the start of the season. In the AHL, player development is a top priority. The American Hockey League and the Professional Hockey Players' Association have the following development rule in place for the 2013-14 season:Of the 18 skaters (not counting two goaltenders) that teams may dress for a game, at least 13 must be qualified as "development players." Of those 13, 12 must have played in 260 or fewer professional games (including AHL, NHL and European elite leagues), and one must have played in 320 or fewer professional games. All calculations for development status are based on regular-season totals as of the start of the season. For what it's worth DeFazio will not be classified as a veteran next year and Biega will fall into the 260 - 320 loophole allowing for an extra veteran to be dressed. I really like how DeFazio plays the game and I am not alone. He won the only post season award that was voted on by the fans....for showing the most heart and determination. I think he also deserves "a cup of coffee" call up to sse how he would fit on the 4th line in Vancouver.Thanks for clarifying my mistake! I always thought it was 4 veterans + 1 more w/ games between 260 - 320. That's why I was thinking we might have to let DeFazio go. I apologize again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specter's Vengeance Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Excuse me? What did I do that deserves that insult from u? I merely stated my opinion and somehow I need to get insulted. Sure, I m not the most educated fan of Comets or Canucks for the matter. I didnt watch every comets game in person and I dunno everything about all the players on the team. If u check my previous posts, I have repeated praise UticaHockey and Bad Goalie from the posts they have posted on this forum for the information they provided. Yes, my information is taken from various messages board, but does that mean my info I read is all wrong? I DEMAND AN APOLOGY from u right now regarding this post. As for DeFazio, I think he is the most disposable because if my info is correct as challenged by u, the AHL is a developmental league where there can only be up to 4 veterans over 200+ pro games played playon the team at the same time. Thats why I consider the team will keep Pellettier, Huskins, Stuart and Cal O'Rielly over DeFazio as I find them more important to De Fazio. To UticHockey, I m sorry if my message offended you in anyway n my lack of explaination on my last post . I m sorry. But i demand an apology from the poster i quoted right away as I find his message is pointless and attacking me for no reason at all. North Korean demands respect for being a "super power". We know how well that's doing for them... haha Look, I'll admit my comment towards you was a little harsh. However, I will have to stand by my comments instead of retract them. I should have done it in more of a general sense and made it less aggressive towards your character. I appreciate your follow up post because of the reasoning for your decision about Defazio. I respect that more than saying "I don't like such and such because I just don't". My point being that the people like to read facts and/or educated opinions of the things they appreciate. Not someone who adds little to no new light on a subject. As the saying goes, If you don't have anything good to say, don't say it at all. (I realize thats taken a bit out of context but it works both ways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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