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Posted 26 April 2014 - 09:34 AM

I am discussing this because William Nylander could be a Canuck in just a few short months Who do you think will become a better player come future? Who's more NHL ready? From what I can see they both have a great skill level. Please Discuss

 

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:02 AM

Well nylander has the potential to be better at this point we don't know. Nhl ready nylander is closer. He has been playing againt men for the past two years rather than jr.
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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:39 AM

Depends entirely on whether Nylander can adapt to NHL with his 'soft' playstyle. He most definitely has the higher ceiling and tools to do it with.


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:41 AM

Heres Nylander highlights....good looking shots, passes, hands, skating......not too big but I like the looks of him more than I do Virtanen or Ritchie thats for sure.

 


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:42 AM

Nylander will probably be better than Shinkaruk. 


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:47 AM

Shink, but only because I have a feeling that Nylander will be a bust. No good reason why, but I just have a feeling. And theres no point in adding Nylander if we have Shinkaruk who plays a similar style. Use the pick to get a prospect we don't have like Virtanen, or if you want immediate impact, Nick Ritchie. (Imagine a line with Ritchie on left and Kassian on the right. Terrifying combo)


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 12:59 PM

Shinkaruk has intangibles in youthful leadership and infectious enthusiasm. 2 things lacking in the Canucks lineup. He may never be a 100 pt guy, but 70-80 and a strong playoff performer. I think Hunter will be a great Canuck for a long time.
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Posted 26 April 2014 - 01:03 PM

Shinkaruk has a major hip problem.

Nylander has a daddy's little rich kid and looking like a girl problem.


Toss up, but I think we'll stick with the kid we have and not add to the problems.
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Posted 26 April 2014 - 01:04 PM

They could end up playing on the same line and putting up similar numbers. 


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 01:11 PM

Shinkaruk has a major hip problem.

Nylander has a daddy's little rich kid and looking like a girl problem.


Toss up, but I think we'll stick with the kid we have and not add to the problems.


Almost all hockey players are rich kids.. It's not easy putting a kid through hockey
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Posted 26 April 2014 - 01:14 PM

Shinkaruk has intangibles in youthful leadership and infectious enthusiasm. 2 things lacking in the Canucks lineup. He may never be a 100 pt guy, but 70-80 and a strong playoff performer. I think Hunter will be a great Canuck for a long time.


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 01:48 PM

Shink, but only because I have a feeling that Nylander will be a bust. No good reason why, but I just have a feeling. And theres no point in adding Nylander if we have Shinkaruk who plays a similar style. Use the pick to get a prospect we don't have like Virtanen, or if you want immediate impact, Nick Ritchie. (Imagine a line with Ritchie on left and Kassian on the right. Terrifying combo)


He could very well be a bust..or a skilled 1C which is his ceiling...I think the Canucks should just pick the BPA...regardless of position.
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Posted 26 April 2014 - 01:51 PM

If Nylander can translate his game to the smaller NHL surface, he could be a 90 point superstar. 

 

If he doesnt, he may end up being Mike Santorelli. 

 

I think he will. He is too smart and too fast not to eventually adjust. 


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 02:19 PM

Nylander has more diverse skills, which include top speed even though Shink is FAR from slow, elusive  / explosive quickness, dangling to control the puck, control the play and passing.Plus he's a pivot, and has more opportunity to be involved ion the play.

 

But hey, you have to put it together, focus and determination count. Shinkaruk has already come through one significant injury early in his junior career, but still came to being one of the most explosive scorers in the WHL in recent memory. 

 

My guess is Nylander and FTR i think both will make it, but I am hoping we get to see both first hand!  :)


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Posted 26 April 2014 - 10:44 PM

Clearly we must make a decision now that will decide their fates forever.

 

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But Nylander has a little higher ceiling although it's impossible to predict which will have the better career.


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 11:54 AM

is nylander russian?
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Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:36 PM

Nylander is a good prospect, he has one of the highest ceilings in this draft class, but needs to learn the NHL game. As long as he has the work ethic and determination to be a NHL star he will get there. If he doesn't have the mental capacity to overcome some of the adversities he will face then it likely won't work out.

 

You can look at the skill of players all you want, but their mentality is the most important aspect of their development and separates the gems from the busts.

 

Shinkaruk will be a good NHL because he has the passion and determination to get there. Nylander I'm not as sure about. If he does want to be a star he will get there, but there is a chance he just ends up as a decent 2nd line player with average defensive skills. I have a feeling he will not be comfortable being not a great player, and will work his way up to that second line spot, but I don't know if he has the passion and determination to become a star.

 

If we draft Nylander, he could make it with the right guidance from the Sedins over the next few years. That's the one thing that can make him a great player is a great role model to guide him along the way. He's not a bad pick at all for the Canucks because the Sedins will be here to help develop him into a real professional.

 

I don't think he's a great pick for some of the other teams in the top 10 because he won't have that great Swedish influence, but for us it's not a bad gamble. 


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:39 PM

Nylander is Swedish. Really hope we pick Ritchie, we need more Canadians.


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:01 PM

If Nylander can translate his game to the smaller NHL surface, he could be a 90 point superstar. 
 
If he doesnt, he may end up being Mike Santorelli. 
 
I think he will. He is too smart and too fast not to eventually adjust. 

He won't be anything like Santorelli. Santo plays in his own end equally as well as the offensive zone.
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Posted 27 April 2014 - 02:40 PM

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Nylander is Swedish. Really hope we pick Ritchie, we need more Canadians.

Ritchie screams bust to me. He looks like all his success comes from being so damn big in a league of high schoolers. I think once he gets to the NHL he'll lose that edge.


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 07:27 PM

Ritchie is far from bust he has more than just size, probably a lot better chance that nylander does than him. Size as long as it doesn't effect skating ability is never a bad thing.  


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 08:00 PM

You'd have to be crazy if you wouldn't trade Shinkaruk for Nylander...


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 09:17 PM

I think Shinkaruk will have an impact quicker than Nylander because Nylander has to adapt to the smaller ice, but Nylander will be the better player in the long run.
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Posted 28 April 2014 - 12:30 PM

Couldn't Nylander still grow? He's only 17 I believe...
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Posted 28 April 2014 - 03:38 PM

Shinkaruk has a major hip problem.

Nylander has a daddy's little rich kid and looking like a girl problem.


Toss up, but I think we'll stick with the kid we have and not add to the problems.


Anyone else tired of BanTSN saying Nylander looks like a girl every chance he gets? What the %^*& does Nylanders looks have to do with his playing ability. The fact that Nylanders dad was an NHL great I would say is a positive not a negative.
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Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:34 PM

Anyone else tired of BanTSN saying Nylander looks like a girl every chance he gets? What the %^*& does Nylanders looks have to do with his playing ability. The fact that Nylanders dad was an NHL great I would say is a positive not a negative.


If looks had anything to do with hockey, why wasn't Tim Hunter a superstar? Worked well for Rod Brind'Amour...... Lol

Don't think anyone understands bantsn's logic here and most of us don't care too.
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Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:57 PM

Shinkaruk.  He's probably a better 2 way player, he's probably more tough more gritty, and a much better goal scorer.  Look at how many goal's he scored leading to his draft year.  He's the highest WHL goal scorer available in the 2013 NHL entry draft.   If Shinkaruk was a 2014 prospect, we be talking about him right now, and it probably be between drafting Ritchie, Ehlers, Nylander or goal scoring sensation from Western Canada, Hunter Shinkaruk.  Shinkaruk will smoke a lot of these clowns in this weak draft year.  IN fact Shinkaruk was ranked as one of of the top North Amercian prospects one behind, Monahan.

 

Nylander will get owned if he plays in the NHL.  him playing with other men is overstated.  anton Rodin played with men too in his draft year... how the frack did that go?  yea. 


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 10:44 PM

Heres Nylander highlights....good looking shots, passes, hands, skating......not too big but I like the looks of him more than I do Virtanen or Ritchie thats for sure.
 


His highlights are no more spectacular than any other players in this years draft. Is hitting even allowed in that league? looks soft as heck
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Posted 28 April 2014 - 10:55 PM

points wise at the end of their careers I think Nylander may have the upperhand just because he's a center and he's actually "using his wingers" ;)

mmm.. for those that bring up Ritchie he could very well be the next Clowe/Clarkson. This team we have right now has enough size in the farm if that's what people are concerned about. what i'm concerned about is scoring goals and Ritchie is no Nichushkin and Nylander would be a great addition. with issues on the hips you never know how Shink will be just like Hamhuis' hip problems

you want someone that can be a 3rd/4th liner, making big hits and could probably score... there's others like Ritchie they just need to be developed

Virtanen is at a different IQ with same tools and a bit more size/lanky in an overall comparison to Shinkaruk
 


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Posted 03 May 2014 - 09:50 PM

Shink, but only because I have a feeling that Nylander will be a bust. No good reason why, but I just have a feeling. And theres no point in adding Nylander if we have Shinkaruk who plays a similar style. Use the pick to get a prospect we don't have like Virtanen, or if you want immediate impact, Nick Ritchie. (Imagine a line with Ritchie on left and Kassian on the right. Terrifying combo)

I think there is a very valid point in adding Nylander and other skilled prospects.  We have a very shallow pool of prospects, let alone offensively talented ones.  You're going to put all of your chips on Shinkaruk developing into a skilled top-6 forward for us and say we don't need to stockpile any other talented players in our pipeline?  I think we should get as many as we can, and Nylander certainly would be a nice addition, and he is a RH shot which we are weak on.  Horvat, Jensen, Shinkaruk, Gaunce all shoot LH.

As far as the OP question, I think Shinkaruk will be a better player when it's all said and done.  I think he has the drive and determination to be a great player.  Nylander, I'm not as sure, and I think he will be a good player as well, just think Shinkaruk will be best if we have to choose!


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