OncebeforeIdie Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Had a quick look back at what we have done with our first round pick. 1990 Shawn Antoski 18th overall 1991 Alex Stojanov 7th overall 1992 Libor Polasek 21st overall 1993 Mike Wilson 20th overall 1994 Mattias Ohlund 13th overall 1995 no 1st round pick 1996 Josh Holden 12th overall 1997 Brad Ference 10th overall 1998 Brian Allen 4th overall 1999 Daniel and Henrik Sedin 2nd and 3rd 2000 Nathan Smith 23rd overall 2001 R.J. Umberger 16th overall 2002 no 1st round pick 2003 Ryan Kesler 23rd overall 2004 Cory Schneider 26th overall 2005 Luc Bourdon 10th overall 2006 Michael Grabner 14th overall 2007 Patrick White 25th overall 2008 Cody Hodgson 10th overall 2009 Jordon schroeder 22nd overall 2010 no 1st round pick 2011 Nicklas Jensen 29th overall 2012 Brendan Gaunce 26th overall 2013 Bo Horvat 9th and Hunter Shinkaruk 24th overall 2014 ???? Different GMs, different scouts, etc., but wow...we sure drafted some terrible players with our first pick over the years. Other than the Sedin's and Kesler we haven't really drafted a real game changer in 25 years (recent few years still to be seen). Here's hoping for this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 when I look at that list I think bourdon was a going to be the big fast mobile d man we needed , that was a huge loss but ya were sure had stinky first rounders, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 when I look at that list I think bourdon was a going to be the big fast mobile d man we needed , that was a huge loss but ya were sure had stinky first rounders, This, and no need to keep reminiscing on the past. It's the past, can't do anything so focus on the recent and future. Our drafting the past 5-6 years has been a lot better and specifically our 1st round picks so here's to hoping that trend continues and not the long time past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorLinden4ever Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Had a quick look back at what we have done with our first round pick. 1990 Shawn Antoski 18th overall 1991 Alex Stojanov 7th overall 1992 Libor Polasek 21st overall 1993 Mike Wilson 20th overall 1994 Mattias Ohlund 13th overall 1995 no 1st round pick 1996 Josh Holden 12th overall 1997 Brad Ference 10th overall 1998 Brian Allen 4th overall 1999 Daniel and Henrik Sedin 2nd and 3rd 2000 Nathan Smith 23rd overall 2001 R.J. Umberger 16th overall 2002 no 1st round pick 2003 Ryan Kesler 23rd overall 2004 Cory Schneider 26th overall 2005 Luc Bourdon 10th overall 2006 Michael Grabner 14th overall 2007 Patrick White 25th overall 2008 Cody Hodgson 10th overall 2009 Jordon schroeder 22nd overall 2010 no 1st round pick 2011 Nicklas Jensen 29th overall 2012 Brendan Gaunce 26th overall 2013 Bo Horvat 9th and Hunter Shinkaruk 24th overall 2014 ???? Different GMs, different scouts, etc., but wow...we sure drafted some terrible players with our first pick over the years. Other than the Sedin's and Kesler we haven't really drafted a real game changer in 25 years (recent few years still to be seen). Here's hoping for this year. Patrick White & Brendan Gaunce, WOOHOO! Well, if Im not mistake, Delorme - the head of the department has been there since the late 80's if not earlier. Other influential scouts like Gradin, Sneps have also been there for a long time. Great post. It would be rather ineresting to measure it up with other teams' first round picks over that span. BTW, we only got the Sedins because of Brian Burke. I believe there wouldve been a great chance if it were not for Burkie that we'd have picked Patrik Stefan, who was chosen 1st by Atlanta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Past 5 years of not picking gems in later rounds have hurt the team depth ... With being a bad team once again our picks will only help us being able to select near the top in each round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermanbieksa Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I would include Ohlund as a game changer. But you're right, lots of picks that didn't pan. Now let's hope our recent 1st round picks will be able to succeed in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Firing torts was totally right call by linden but our coaching staff needs to go please fite them. Dont care if they are ex canucks snepts and delorme need to be let go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kumquats Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 This is a short list of who we drafted - who we could have drafted instead as well as (points) 2006: 1st round: Grabner (138, 11 as a Canuck)- Claude Giroux (347) or Milan Lucic (282) and many others… 3rd round: Daniel Rahimi (0) - Victor Stalberg (120) 2007: 1st: Patrick White (0) - David Perron (240) *was the very next pick… 2nd: Taylor Ellington (0) – PK Subban (153), Wayne Simmonds (217) or Jamie Benn *5th round pick (247) 2008: 1st Cody Hodgson (109, 18 as a Canuck)– Erik Karlsson (218) or Jordan Eberle (201) 2nd Yann Sauve (0) – Derek Stepan (176) 2009: 1st Jordan Schroeder (12) - Marcus Johansson (131) or Ryan O'Reilly (171) 2nd Anton Rodin (0) – Reilly Smith (52) 2010: First pick was in the 5th round, no point. 2011: 1st Nicklas Jensen (0) – Brandon Saad (67) 3rd David Honzik (0) – Andrew Shaw (64) 2012 / 2013, too early to tell. Nothing major after we picked. Yakupov, just one pick Edmonton made in 2012, has more points than ALL of the picks the Canucks have made for the past 8 years!! ...with 54 points (in a Canucks uniform). From those 8 drafts, the Oilers players have combined for 1078 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I dont like how u are bashing our draft performance. What is the expectation of a good 1st rounder? Playing on the 2nd line maybe? Then you have left out players such as Ohlund, Umberger, Schneider, Hodgson as players who did pan out. This would also be a more legit thread if you compared our draft performance with another NHL team who is known to have successful drafts: Chicago maybe? I think our drafts could have been better, but I see nothing wrong with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzy Mahmood Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Great picks = 4: Matthias Ohlund + Daniel Sedin + Henrik Sedin + Ryan Kesler Good picks = 7: Bryan Allen + RJ Umberger + Cory Schneider + Luc Bourdon + Michael Grabner + Cody Hodgson + Bo Horvat Average picks 6: Josh Holden + Brad Ference + Jordan Schroeder + Nicklas Jensen + Brendan Gaunce + Hunter Shinkaruk Bad picks = 6: Shawn Antoski + Alex Stojanov + Libor Polasek + Mike Wilson + Nathan Smith + Patrick White Of those picks, Horvat + Jensen + Gaunce + Shinkaruk can still move up or down depending on how they fare over coming seasons. But I'd say that 11/23 picks leading to solid-good-spectacular NHL players isn't the worst drafting record. Considering so many of these picks weren't top 10 picks. And two of the bad picks, Stojanov and White, turned into Naslund and Ehrhoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OncebeforeIdie Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 I dont like how u are bashing our draft performance. What is the expectation of a good 1st rounder? Playing on the 2nd line maybe? Then you have left out players such as Ohlund, Umberger, Schneider, Hodgson as players who did pan out. This would also be a more legit thread if you compared our draft performance with another NHL team who is known to have successful drafts: Chicago maybe? I think our drafts could have been better, but I see nothing wrong with it. Bashing...no, I wouldn't say that. I would say I was making an observation for the sake of conversation. I don't think that all 1st rounders are going to be superstars or that all superstars were first rounders either. I simply think that in 25 years we missed the mark a lot more than we hit with a "real game changer". I will give you Schneider (a though a bit more average on NJ this year) and to a lesser extent Ohlund as game changers. Cody may still be that guy, but isn't yet (above average hockey IQ with below average foot speed). RJ Umberber could have been a very good Canuck (if we kept him...which is another story). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OncebeforeIdie Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 Great picks = 4: Matthias Ohlund + Daniel Sedin + Henrik Sedin + Ryan Kesler Good picks = 7: Bryan Allen + RJ Umberger + Cory Schneider + Luc Bourdon + Michael Grabner + Cody Hodgson + Bo Horvat Average picks 6: Josh Holden + Brad Ference + Jordan Schroeder + Nicklas Jensen + Brendan Gaunce + Hunter Shinkaruk Bad picks = 6: Shawn Antoski + Alex Stojanov + Libor Polasek + Mike Wilson + Nathan Smith + Patrick White Of those picks, Horvat + Jensen + Gaunce + Shinkaruk can still move up or down depending on how they fare over coming seasons. But I'd say that 11/23 picks leading to solid-good-spectacular NHL players isn't the worst drafting record. Considering so many of these picks weren't top 10 picks. And two of the bad picks, Stojanov and White, turned into Naslund and Ehrhoff. I liike the way you have ranked these picks and would agree for the most part. Maybe 4 out of 25 years for a great picks and 7 out of 25 for good ones is OK? I gues I am troubled by how often they have missed in that time frame. If you include Josh Holden in the bad picks group they have been missing almost every 3rd year in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 When you look at it this way, Chicago didn't have much better 1st round pick. Toews, Kane and Seabrook compares to Sedin, Sedin, Kesler, Ohlund. The only difference is the Chicago players we're draft post-lockout era where team are build with draft. When the Sedins we're draft, other team were build through UFA and teams with a lot of money would have great teams.Keep in mind that we also deferred Cory Schneider's impact because of Luongo and now the Horvat trade.1990 Karl Dykhuis1991 Dean McAmmond1992 Sergei Krivokrasov1993 Eric Lecompte1994 Ethan Moreau1995 Dmitri Nabokov1996 None1997 Daniel Cleary1998 Mark Bell1999 Steve McArthy2000 Mikhail Yakubov & Pavel Vorobiev2001 Tuomo Ruutu & Adam Munro2002 Anton Babchuk2003 Brent Seabrook2004 Cam Barker2005 Jack Skille2006 Jonathan Toews2007 Patrick Kane2008 Kyle Beach2009 Dylan Olsen2010 Kevin Hayes2011 Mark McNeil & Philip Danault2012 Teuvo Teravainen2013 Ryan Hartman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzy Mahmood Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I liike the way you have ranked these picks and would agree for the most part. Maybe 4 out of 25 years for a great picks and 7 out of 25 for good ones is OK? I gues I am troubled by how often they have missed in that time frame. If you include Josh Holden in the bad picks group they have been missing almost every 3rd year in the first round. For me, we've had very few high picks. Only 7 Top 9 picks in 25 years, compared to Edmonton having three #1 picks in three years recently. Considering our draft positions over the years, I think we've done okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Patrick White & Brendan Gaunce, WOOHOO! Well, if Im not mistake, Delorme - the head of the department has been there since the late 80's if not earlier. Other influential scouts like Gradin, Sneps have also been there for a long time. Great post. It would be rather ineresting to measure it up with other teams' first round picks over that span. BTW, we only got the Sedins because of Brian Burke. I believe there wouldve been a great chance if it were not for Burkie that we'd have picked Patrik Stefan, who was chosen 1st by Atlanta. Yeah even though White was a bust, he did help get us Erhoff. Heck Antoski got us Naslund. Yeah our North American scouting sucked but at least we got a good return. Interesting how the more successful Canucks came from our European scouts than our North American scouts. Ohlund, Sedin, Edler, Hansen, Lack I'm probably missing a few. Just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE14 Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Great picks = 4: Matthias Ohlund + Daniel Sedin + Henrik Sedin + Ryan Kesler Good picks = 7: Bryan Allen + RJ Umberger + Cory Schneider + Luc Bourdon + Michael Grabner + Cody Hodgson + Bo Horvat Average picks 6: Josh Holden + Brad Ference + Jordan Schroeder + Nicklas Jensen + Brendan Gaunce + Hunter Shinkaruk Bad picks = 6: Shawn Antoski + Alex Stojanov + Libor Polasek + Mike Wilson + Nathan Smith + Patrick White Of those picks, Horvat + Jensen + Gaunce + Shinkaruk can still move up or down depending on how they fare over coming seasons. But I'd say that 11/23 picks leading to solid-good-spectacular NHL players isn't the worst drafting record. Considering so many of these picks weren't top 10 picks. And two of the bad picks, Stojanov and White, turned into Naslund and Ehrhoff. White got us Ehrhoff, who got us the Sedins to Art Ross, who got us to the Cup final. White was the Canucks savior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzy Mahmood Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 White got us Ehrhoff, who got us the Sedins to Art Ross, who got us to the Cup final. White was the Canucks savior. He would have been had we won Game 6 or Game 7. As it was, it was Patrick White who helped the Canucks near-but-not-near-enough to the Cup. I blame him for the loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterHorvatBure Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Great picks = 4: Matthias Ohlund + Daniel Sedin + Henrik Sedin + Ryan Kesler Good picks = 7: Bryan Allen + RJ Umberger + Cory Schneider + Luc Bourdon + Michael Grabner + Cody Hodgson + Bo Horvat Average picks 6: Josh Holden + Brad Ference + Jordan Schroeder + Nicklas Jensen + Brendan Gaunce + Hunter Shinkaruk Bad picks = 6: Shawn Antoski + Alex Stojanov + Libor Polasek + Mike Wilson + Nathan Smith + Patrick White Of those picks, Horvat + Jensen + Gaunce + Shinkaruk can still move up or down depending on how they fare over coming seasons. But I'd say that 11/23 picks leading to solid-good-spectacular NHL players isn't the worst drafting record. Considering so many of these picks weren't top 10 picks. And two of the bad picks, Stojanov and White, turned into Naslund and Ehrhoff. Kill yo self for calling Shinkaruk average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck or Die Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Stop looking at the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azzy Mahmood Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Kill yo self for calling Shinkaruk average Kill yo self for assuming a young kid with less than 30 games under his belt this year, coming off a serious injury, and who has done nothing of any significance at NHL, AHL or international level, is anything more than an average pick at this stage. He could turn out to be as important as Kesler, he could turn out to be as worthless as Nathan Smith. Nathan Smith, by the way, had four seasons in the WHL. 13pts, then 90pts in 67 games, then 60pts in 47 games. Shinkaruk has scored at a better clip than Smith, but there's not a huge difference between Smith's best season of 90pts in 67 games and Shink's 91pts in 66 games. Until Shink and Gaunce prove themselves, they are firmly in the average bracket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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