Merci Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Posting LA's draft history the past decade so people here realize the only way the Canucks can rebound is by trading Kesler Notice how many players came from the 2nd and 3rd rounds that Gillis basically traded away for Roys and Ballards. LA: 03: Brown (13th) 05: Kopitar (11th)Quick (72nd) 06: Bernier (11th) ----> Frattin -----> Gaborik 07: Hickey(4th)(Bust)Simmonds(61st)---->Richards 08: Doughty(2nd)(Teubert)(13th)-----> Penner 09: Schenn(5th)---->Richards(Clifford)(35th) 10: Forbot(15th)Toffoli(47th) So the Kings had 10 draft picks that essentially built their team over the course of 6 years, as well as some free agents like Johsnon to get Carter let's see what the Canucks have in true order of 1st round readiness. 1. Kassian (13th) 2. Jensen (28th) 3. Corrado (150th) 4. Stanton 5. Horvat (9th) 6. Shinkaruk (24th) 7. Gaunce (26th) -now let's add the Kesler trade 8. Etem (29th) 9. Virtanen(10th) 10. 24th overall 2014 -now let's add our 6th this year 11. Ritchie/Nylander (6th) 12. Cassels 13. Subban That is how you rebuild or restart a team. No combination of UFA will fix what we have, we need to trade Kesler now. And start giving this endless stream of oyung players a chance to fix our organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Agreed, the Gillis era was a failure in finding players in the later rounds....Conversely ,he was above average in finding undrafted players like Tanev,and possibly Fox...We're now in the Benning era..cross your fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar baby watermelon Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Good post!! I'd be ecstatic if we got either Nylander or Ritchie and then took Virtanen, skill, toughness, and grit or speed, skill and grit. Either way, if a trade is done for Kes to Anaheim, we will walk away with a nice stockpile of talent in the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Light Racicot Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Id like the Canucks to a major rebuild like that by selling whatever assets possible. The team might suffer temporarily, but it would be worthwhile if the end result was one of the best pools in he league. However they have had abysmal scouting for ages, and I think it would be more sensible to do a major overhaul of that department first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALAPOK Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 What Kesler trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 It's insightful & endorses the gradual, thorough rebuild. But one must factor in climate change, & the fact that surely the end is nigh!.. It's best to trade/draft perfectly, & win it all quickly, before it all comes crashin'down. Half joking..but I'd bet over 50% of the fans on CDC would accept a nuclear, and/or asteroid apocalypse in 6 yrs time, if we could first win a string of 5 straight Cups! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheWheeler Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Agreed, the Gillis era was a failure in finding players in the later rounds....Conversely ,he was above average in finding undrafted players like Tanev,and possibly Fox...We're now in the Benning era..cross your fingers. To be fair, you have to give Gillis some credit for last years draft. We can talk about the Benning era all we want, but Gillis really had a tremendous 2013 draft. Along with this draft, the kids from last year are going to be building the foundation of this franchise just as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 With LA so loaded with young players in their prime, the chances of getting out of the 2nd round in the next couple of years are slim-to-none. Even if we somehow did, then there is Chicago. This is the first time in YEARS that we are seeing true "dynasty" teams, and there are TWO of them in our conference! And with the new divisional format you likely have to go through both of them. We need to rebuild now, and not worry about trading Kesler within the division. Then when age, free agency, and spent draft picks finally weaken those powerhouses, we may be in a position to take over. Whereas if we keep our same aging team bashing our head against this brick wall, all we'll be left with in a couple of years is more of the same...and a monster headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 You don't even have to be that bad a team, you just have to stop making bad 1st round draft choices. You also have to stop trading 2nd rounders like they were candy. That being said, we have some kids who could pan out. Not many stars though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgerKing Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Posting LA's draft history the past decade so people here realize the only way the Canucks can rebound is by trading Kesler Notice how many players came from the 2nd and 3rd rounds that Gillis basically traded away for Roys and Ballards. LA: 03: Brown (13th) 05: Kopitar (11th)Quick (72nd) 06: Bernier (11th) ----> Frattin -----> Gaborik 07: Hickey(4th)(Bust)Simmonds(61st)---->Richards 08: Doughty(2nd)(Teubert)(13th)-----> Penner 09: Schenn(5th)---->Richards(Clifford)(35th) 10: Forbot(15th)Toffoli(47th) So the Kings had 10 draft picks that essentially built their team over the course of 6 years, as well as some free agents like Johsnon to get Carter let's see what the Canucks have in true order of 1st round readiness. 1. Kassian (13th) 2. Jensen (28th) 3. Corrado (150th) 4. Stanton 5. Horvat (9th) 6. Shinkaruk (24th) 7. Gaunce (26th) -now let's add the Kesler trade 8. Etem (29th) 9. Virtanen(10th) 10. 24th overall 2014 -now let's add our 6th this year 11. Ritchie/Nylander (6th) 12. Cassels 13. Subban That is how you rebuild or restart a team. No combination of UFA will fix what we have, we need to trade Kesler now. And start giving this endless stream of oyung players a chance to fix our organization. You can't blame Gillis for trading picks, they were trying to win the cup, all teams do it, Pit gave up picks and prospects for Hossa, Guerin and Iginla, Boston gave up picks and prospects the year they won the cup. Even LA for Gaborik gave a 2nd and 3rd along with Frattin. It's a bunch of things, when you're a team trying to rebuild you are compliling picks becasue usually you are giving up guys at the deadline, more picks means more chances to get quality players. Also LA is flat out better at drafting than us, no disputing it. Lastly all those years LA was picking lower than us, they got Doughty second overall, infact in all those years listed their lowest first rd pick was 15th. Literally months before they won their first cup this team was irrelevent, and it was irrelevent ever since Gretzky left. You really wanna endure that much losing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgerKing Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 With LA so loaded with young players in their prime, the chances of getting out of the 2nd round in the next couple of years are slim-to-none. Even if we somehow did, then there is Chicago. This is the first time in YEARS that we are seeing true "dynasty" teams, and there are TWO of them in our conference! And with the new divisional format you likely have to go through both of them. We need to rebuild now, and not worry about trading Kesler within the division. Then when age, free agency, and spent draft picks finally weaken those powerhouses, we may be in a position to take over. Whereas if we keep our same aging team bashing our head against this brick wall, all we'll be left with in a couple of years is more of the same...and a monster headache. I could see CHI taking a step back in the next few years, Hossa and Sharp are getting older, their 3rd and 4th line depth isn't great. Also after this year Toews and Kane are gonna get major pay bumps, if Sedins are at 7 both of them are in the 8.5 range. LA on the other hand has most of their top guys locked in at very favorable deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevo882 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Nice try. We don't HAVE to trade Kesler to get better down the road. There are other parts on this team that can be moved besides Kesler. Like I've said before, his skillset is what the Canucks need to build around going forward and he's still young enough. Personally I would more look at trading the likes of Burrows, Hansen, Garrison and potentially the Sedins. I know they all have no movement clauses, but so does Kesler. The Sedins are older and getting slower and are too one-dimensional as compared to Kesler's skilled, two-way, physical game. If we are going to trade away part of our core to build for the future, it's got to be the Sedins, NOT Kesler (unless he really does want out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gstank29 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Unless your Detriot, then you can be good/great without a drop off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Actually teams like that suck for a long time. As long as Vancouver keeps trying to make the playoffs we're never going to be in that situation without some beyond brilliant GM moves. We're probably them most successful or one of the most successful teams in the past decade. That doesn't lead to the Kings. In Canada long periods of sucking balls doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Lets look at the rangers 03. Hugh Jessiman 12th overall (2 GP for nyr) 04. Montoya 6th overall, Korpikoski 19th overall, Dubinsky 60th overall, Callahan 127th overall 05. Staal 12th overall 06. Sanguinetti 21st overall (12 GP for nyr), Anisimov 54th overall 07. Cherepanov 17th overall (RIP), Hagelin 168th overall 08. Del Zotto 20th overall, Stepan 51st overall 09. Kreider 19th overall Hmm notice anything funny, the majority of their players all came from the 2nd round or later. Do these two teams support a rebuild or just strong drafting, especially in the later rounds? Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal, Anisimov, Hagelin, Del Zotto, Stepan, Kreider, Brown, Kopitar, Quick, Lundqvist, , Simmonds, Toffoli, were all drafted by these two teams outside the rebuilding considered top 10 picks. On a side note, NYR sure sucked at drafting in the first round, some big misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedlee Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 To be fair, you have to give Gillis some credit for last years draft. We can talk about the Benning era all we want, but Gillis really had a tremendous 2013 draft.2013 draft tremendous? We don't know that yet and we won't know that for a couple of years. Horvat is a good prospect, but it cost us a good young NHL goalie. Some people though Horvat did not look that great in the Memorial cup. Shinkaruk and Cassels are prospects only...and need a lot more time. I'm not ready to give Gillis credit just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheXFactor Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Apart from Horvat I don't see anyone on our prospect pool that would even come close to the level Brown, Doughty, and Kopitar are at. MAYBE Shinks... but that's a big maybe. If we wanted to rebuild we'd need to trade away more than just Kesler. Trade Hamhuis, Burrows, and one of the Sedins as well. Keep the other along with Bieksa as veteran mentors. With that said I seriously doubt we'd trade all these players away. Neither management nor most of the fans seem to want a full rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Unless your Detriot, then you can be good/great without a drop off. Detroit got lucky, plain and simple. They got two elite players in late rounds (Datsyuk and Zetterberg), and a generational talent in the 2nd round (Lidstrom). Since Nik retired, they've gone down a notch, and it will likely continue as the former two age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 Lets look at the rangers 03. Hugh Jessiman 12th overall (2 GP for nyr) 04. Montoya 6th overall, Korpikoski 19th overall, Dubinsky 60th overall, Callahan 127th overall 05. Staal 12th overall 06. Sanguinetti 21st overall (12 GP for nyr), Anisimov 54th overall 07. Cherepanov 17th overall (RIP), Hagelin 168th overall 08. Del Zotto 20th overall, Stepan 51st overall 09. Kreider 19th overall Hmm notice anything funny, the majority of their players all came from the 2nd round or later. Do these two teams support a rebuild or just strong drafting, especially in the later rounds? Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal, Anisimov, Hagelin, Del Zotto, Stepan, Kreider, Brown, Kopitar, Quick, Lundqvist, , Simmonds, Toffoli, were all drafted by these two teams outside the rebuilding considered top 10 picks. On a side note, NYR sure sucked at drafting in the first round, some big misses. Rangers benefited from a few fantastic trades. They got McDonagh, Higgins, Stepan, Moore, etc. from trading away UFA signings - so didn't cost them anything to acquire the assets. Then they got an elite scorer who wanted out of Tampa and only wanted to go to New York. But New York is, in the eyes of many (myself included), the best city in North America. They have the benefit of players wanting to go there. Vancouver is also a great city, but it's hard to enjoy it as a hockey player in a fishbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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