Twilight Sparkle Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 You are in for a rude awakening. thats what the magic 8 ball said when i was born Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 thats what the magic 8 ball said when i was born i took you for a different kind of 8ball user Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russianfan Posted June 13, 2014 Author Share Posted June 13, 2014 Thank you for those who responded: I ) I graduated from SFU with a Communications degree specializing in Marketing. From what I was told all my life is that if I go to school and I finish university I will be better off than 90% of other people. For those who said " a degree is a dime a dozen" give your head a shake. Stats show 1 out of 10 people finish post-secondary, that already puts me in the top 10% of income earners because I finished secondary education. Everyone knows and everyone who I knew growing up encourgaged me to go to school and finish college. Keep in mind 90% of people can not afford college and are not smart enough to withstand the demanding GPA requirements to get in and to finish. Guess what, I DID! As a result I fully expect to be rewarded with a good salary in a position that matches my school of study. There is no reason not to have high expectations, we live in a society where our parents provided us with every tool, every opportunity and every chance to get ahead, and I feel my generation have every right to ask for high salaries because we are the future of the retiring "Baby Boomers" you need us more than ever and we can ask for whatever we want. People seem to think "university kids are a dime a dozen" guess what, I havent checked out the job market but I bet you everyone with a degree has a job. Like I said 1 in 10 have degrees, they are the first people hired and they have a lot of bargaining power with employers. II ) Its not just about experience its about skill and power of your degree. There are kids going to Wall Street right out of college at 21 years old landing 100k year jobs, lawyers, doctors, electricians, miners, sales people etc.. Experience means nothing if you have a degree and you have high grades, thats the beauty of school. School is a short cut to experience, its either you go to work after high school hoping to rise through the ranks or you take a short cut and go to school and expet to make just as much as someone who didnt 5 years back. III ) I fully expect 60k MINIMUM out of school, considering how expensive my degree was it is only fair to ask for that much back. Consdering how expensive housing here is, how hard it was to get my education, the countless hours of homework etc i think i deserve to be rewarded with a nice job and income. Employers are not stupid they know the cost of housing, they know how hard it is to finish school, they know how good kids are out of school there is no reason not to pay them well and pay them high. So with that being said, is $60,000 too little to ask for? I cant imagine the job market being any less than that for an average out of school salary, providing you have a post-secondary degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 troll for sure. way too much ignorance in that last post for someone who says they completed university. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 I think OP might he the most entertaining poster on CDC. It's like everything he says is Bizzaro World quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLASSJAW Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 troll for sure. way too much ignorance in that last post for someone who says they completed university. you put far too much value in the university Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 you put far too much value in the university what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rypien37 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 You are in for a rude awakening. This. I find it hilarious that all these people my age who are finishing university/college are thinking its a golden ticket to automatically get a job with great pay. I know a girl who finished a business degree at SFU LAST YEAR, and just found a mediocre job NOW. I also went to SFU for a bit before switching to another institution. You're in for a big surprise. The university theory took you for a ride my friend. It's the person...not the degree that land/hold the desired job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 III ) I fully expect 60k MINIMUM out of school, considering how expensive my degree was it is only fair to ask for that much back. Consdering how expensive housing here is, how hard it was to get my education, the countless hours of homework etc i think i deserve to be rewarded with a nice job and income. Please help I have a few days left, I have to admit i was given 4 months to do this project but I been chilling with friends, playing video games and hanging out with girls. I am kinda freaking out that the deadline is coming and its worth 75% of my grade, I cant afford to screw this up, I will be in a deep hole with my parents, my school and my future. Good luck on your future endeavours. It sounds like you have it all figured out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Thank you for those who responded: I ) I graduated from SFU with a Communications degree specializing in Marketing. From what I was told all my life is that if I go to school and I finish university I will be better off than 90% of other people. For those who said " a degree is a dime a dozen" give your head a shake. Stats show 1 out of 10 people finish post-secondary, that already puts me in the top 10% of income earners because I finished secondary education. Everyone knows and everyone who I knew growing up encourgaged me to go to school and finish college. Keep in mind 90% of people can not afford college and are not smart enough to withstand the demanding GPA requirements to get in and to finish. Guess what, I DID! As a result I fully expect to be rewarded with a good salary in a position that matches my school of study. There is no reason not to have high expectations, we live in a society where our parents provided us with every tool, every opportunity and every chance to get ahead, and I feel my generation have every right to ask for high salaries because we are the future of the retiring "Baby Boomers" you need us more than ever and we can ask for whatever we want. People seem to think "university kids are a dime a dozen" guess what, I havent checked out the job market but I bet you everyone with a degree has a job. Like I said 1 in 10 have degrees, they are the first people hired and they have a lot of bargaining power with employers. II ) Its not just about experience its about skill and power of your degree. There are kids going to Wall Street right out of college at 21 years old landing 100k year jobs, lawyers, doctors, electricians, miners, sales people etc.. Experience means nothing if you have a degree and you have high grades, thats the beauty of school. School is a short cut to experience, its either you go to work after high school hoping to rise through the ranks or you take a short cut and go to school and expet to make just as much as someone who didnt 5 years back. III ) I fully expect 60k MINIMUM out of school, considering how expensive my degree was it is only fair to ask for that much back. Consdering how expensive housing here is, how hard it was to get my education, the countless hours of homework etc i think i deserve to be rewarded with a nice job and income. Employers are not stupid they know the cost of housing, they know how hard it is to finish school, they know how good kids are out of school there is no reason not to pay them well and pay them high. So with that being said, is $60,000 too little to ask for? I cant imagine the job market being any less than that for an average out of school salary, providing you have a post-secondary degree. You've lumped quite a cross section of positions for someone 21 years old. You do know its a minimum of 7 years before you get a law degree, or become a doctor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 troll for sure. way too much ignorance in that last post for someone who says they completed university. Those were the words of someone who has never worked a day in their life. He is even on here trying to help him complete a project that is due in days worth 75% of his mark while he slacked off. Yeah.....top level executive quality candidate straight out of Uni, right there. I'd love to see a reality show about his job hunt. That would be entertaining as all get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Is this the same guy that posted in the teachers thread that teachers make to much money and are bad at their job because he got bad grades in high school. LOL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Honestly....read this. http://forum.canucks.com/topic/358966-nhl-pesidents-salary/#entry12085613 I think he's completely serious. The world is going to be what you want OP. It's a much harder place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 SFU? SFW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 The OP is a troll or suffers from Delusions of Grandeur. Why do I get the feeling 5 years from now we'll be reading about him going postal and taking out random people with a weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Ever since I read the paper on it I've been seeing it all over the place. Dunning-Kruger Effect The DunningKruger effect is a cognitive bias manifesting in two principal ways: Unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude.[1] Those persons to whom a skill or set of skills come easily may find themselves with weak self-confidence, as they may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. See Impostor syndrome. David Dunning and Justin Kruger of Cornell University conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others".[2] Dunning and Kruger proposed that, for a given skill, incompetent people will: tend to overestimate their own level of skill; fail to recognize genuine skill in others; fail to recognize the extremity of their inadequacy; recognize and acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, if they are exposed to training for that skill.[5] Dunning has since drawn an analogy ("the anosognosia of everyday life")[1][6] with a condition in which a person who suffers a physical disability because of brain injury seems unaware of or denies the existence of the disability, even for dramatic impairments such as blindness or paralysis. If youre incompetent, you cant know youre incompetent. [] the skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is. David Dunning[7] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 In all honesty, compensation in marketing is often performance-based, with commissions and bonuses for those who are successful. So if a kid fresh out of marketing school manages to land a few big accounts and knock them out of the park, sure, he could be making over 100k in short order. However, it also works the other way. If he slacks off, drops the ball, or simply doesn't have the ingenuity and work ethic to be one of the best, then he's probably not going to make much more than the receptionist. Based on what I've seen so far, I'm going to go ahead and project the OP as part of the latter group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Probably why the most incompetent people are the loudest and confident, and the most competent people doubtful in their abilities That's exactly the case. It's also why the few who bully their way through the cracks wind up in positions of extreme power. There is a viciousness to their undervaluing of those around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Russianfan meet real life. The average wage in Canada if $47,000 per year. You would be lucky to get that right out of University as a marketer. Aren't you the guy that thinks that life is all about money? Ha ha. Justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillooet_Hillbilly Posted June 13, 2014 Share Posted June 13, 2014 Let's try this again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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