messier's_elbow Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Yeah but it's a year away and who knows where the Canucks will pick, probably 10-12 range but it might be 15-20 range. I dont know man... Kesler gone, new coach, Core is getting older... Im thinking top 10 pick next year and thats a good thing. As long as we get good value for Kesler and Benning doesnt want Reinhart so badly he gets fleeced. I think we are in good shape in 2-3 years with the right moves. If they trade the 6th and Shinkarak and plan to use the Ducks 10th to replace him with Nylander/Ehlers whoever is left, fine. They better not give up Tanev along with Shinkaruk plus the 6th overall. 3 future core pieces for 5 draft spots? PASS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 You think? If Kesler is gone, that's pretty much it for this core group. So try 1-5 range, easily. To tell you the truth I think they will play better with Kesler gone, play worse if him and his drama are still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neko Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I watched videos of Reinhart, he's got the Patrick Kane style in him and is quick but I don't think that's what the Canucks need because there's the Sedins unless they get moved to 2nd line and Reinhart gets put in first line, Nylander would probably be more suitable to pair up with the Sedins since he's a LW. Ekblad would be a nice addition. As Bob McKenzie said, he should be #1 overall, but I have a feeling he won't be. Whatever though, I'm not a GM or anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 To tell you the truth I think they will play better with Kesler gone, play worse if him and his drama are still here.Depends on the other moves, but honestly, what do we expect? A contender? With Kesler gone? Time to get a bit more real. Full on rebuild. And do it right this time. None of this trading 3 good prospects for 1 talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 "Kuzma notes the Panthers need wingers and defensemen and “might bite on prospect Hunter Shinkaruk”."http://spectorshockey.net/blog/latest-ryan-kesler-rumors-june-25-2014/ More parotted lunacy. Would not be a bit surprised that Kuzma and his ilk have profiles here on CDC, but astonished that they would actually state such puerile foolishness and publicly embarrass themselves. Once again: 1. Florida wants PROVEN PLAYERS, not prospects or picks 2. Shinkaruk fits the mold of how the Canucks want to play 3. Canucks have NO other prospects like Shinkaruk 4. You do NOT trade away prospects, let a long a top one, when you are trying to rebuild 5. You do NOT trade away prospects, let a long a top one, when you have no prospect depth 6. Benning is actually a smart hockey man, not a trinket-chasing star-gazing fanboy idolater like many on CDC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 If the Panthers need defensemen, then how about they just draft Ekblad. Wait... We need defensemen too. We should draft Ekblad with the #1. Afterall, he's the best player in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I think Benning has a deal in place with Florida, in other words, his offer is the "concrete" offer Talon talked about.I like Benning's approach, it seems he isn't long on subterfuge, he knows what he wants and he puts it out there (or he has me fooled).He has given Talon his offer and agreed to wait until Friday to see if it holds up.If Talon doesn't get a better offer, Reinhart will be ours and a great addition he will be.If Talon does trade it to someone else, there may be a plan to see if that team will take Ekblad and see if Buffalo will trade the 2nd, or some other way to land Reinhart.Reinhart is a beauty, he reminds me of Gretzky the way he finds the unexpected opportunities and open areas and does what he wants even in heavy traffic and then the goal is almost a tap-in by the time he's done. I think he is the best centre in the draft, perhaps even the best player overall.If Benning is as good as we hope in evaluating talent, I think he may have had a look at our prospect pool as well as the player pool, and identified "expendable" assets he is willing to give up for the 1st overall.After all, he was very involved with previous (Boston) drafts and seems to have a huge database on all prospects and picks.So maybe he knows/thinks certain players are expendable and has offered them up to Talon.While I would hate to lose anyone like Horvat, Shink, Gaunce, Cassels, Subban, Tanev, Jensen, or Kassian, JB probably knows full well which he can live without.So the offer could be 6th, Tanev, and Gaunce and I would still be ok with it because JB is supposed to be the Man!No more waiting around for 4 years to find out Cody or Jordan are not going to fit on the team.Get rid of the guys you don't want and get the guys you do and get on with it.The Kesler trade becomes crucial at this point so that we can assess the entire team and project areas to concentrate on for this year's draft.For example, Anaheim could yield the 10th and that might get us Virtanen or Ritchie to round out the forward prospects in the system.Now that our coach has been hired and qualifying offers made to RFAs (not JS yet?), it is time to concentrate on closing the Kesler deal.I would really like a defenseman or defense/prospect back in that deal.Maybe Pittsburgh's offer of Sutter, Pouliot, and their first (22nd) is not that bad a deal.Sutter may be able to hold down 2C and is looking for an opportunity to move up after being stuck behind Crosby, Malkin, and previously, Staal.He's good at faceoffs and penalty kill, has nice range, and probably good "hockey smarts".That 22nd pick could be Travis Sanheim and he and Pouliot would shore up our defense prospects, if we lost say Tanev in the Florida deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 If the Panthers need defensemen, then how about they just draft Ekblad. Wait... We need defensemen too. We should draft Ekblad with the #1. Afterall, he's the best player in the draft. Honestly, it really looks like Benning's doing everything he can to get Reinhart right now. The way the media's been, the way they set up their top 10 countdown on CDC main page - with Reinhart #1 and saying things like "A Sam Reinhart/Bo Horvat one-two punch down the middle? That dream could become a reality for the Canucks if they trade up to draft the Lower Mainland product 1st overall Friday." It just looks like they're prepping the fanbase to be ready for the big move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty_Undies Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 As cool as it would be to draft Reinhart, I feel If we had to give up the 6th pick + a few other assets in order to Pick up the 1st, which by the way looks like the only way Dale Tallon would part with the first overall, we would be giving up too much. It looks like there will be some really good players at the 6th pick and if all goes as planned to send Kesler to the Ducks then a 6th and 10th is looking like a bright future. IF anything save the current assets for next years draft and try to move up then.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 If Ekblad is the consensus number 1 pick, then take a look at the list of number 2 picks from previous years: Landeskog Seguin Van Riemsdyk J.Staal Ryan Malkin E.Staal Spezza Heatley D.Sedin Marleau If history has shown anything, its that the number 2 rated players in drafts more often than not turn into elite players. Especially if they`re forwards. Number 1 ranked D-men on the other hand have a way lower chance of reaching their potential. Reinhart projects to be a first line star. Something we`ll need just as much as a number 1 D-man, with Kesler on his way out, and Henrik getting closer to the end of his career. Ryan Murray #2 Should have been picked #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papayas Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 "Kuzma notes the Panthers need wingers and defensemen and “might bite on prospect Hunter Shinkaruk”."http://spectorshockey.net/blog/latest-ryan-kesler-rumors-june-25-2014/ More parotted lunacy. Would not be a bit surprised that Kuzma and his ilk have profiles here on CDC, but astonished that they would actually state such puerile foolishness and publicly embarrass themselves. Once again: 1. Florida wants PROVEN PLAYERS, not prospects or picks 2. Shinkaruk fits the mold of how the Canucks want to play 3. Canucks have NO other prospects like Shinkaruk 4. You do NOT trade away prospects, let a long a top one, when you are trying to rebuild 5. You do NOT trade away prospects, let a long a top one, when you have no prospect depth 6. Benning is actually a smart hockey man, not a trinket-chasing star-gazing fanboy idolater like many on CDC Did you... did you just tell people the Florida wants Proven players, not prospects or picks, then link a rumor about the Panther may bite on Hunter? dude wtf is wrong with you? if you dont like the deal that's fine, just... dont try to make up some ridiculous excuses to support your argument. If the Florida doesn't want prospects and picks, then you probably dont even need to convince people why we need to keep hunter. Also, the Hunter, 6th and a roster player deal is an offer made by the person you say is a smart hockey man... god your logical thoughts are just messy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Did you... did you just tell people the Florida wants Proven players, not prospects or picks, then link a rumor about the Panther may bite on Hunter? Wow. I posted the source for the quote, and commented on how ridiculous it was because I disagree -- is that so difficult to understand? Do you think the only time people quote things is when they agree? dont try to make up some ridiculous excuses to support your argument. If the Florida doesn't want prospects and picks, then you probably dont even need to convince people why we need to keep hunter. Apparently I do, because that is what Florida has said! Does nobody even listen, or do the imaginations of hack writers mean more than what a GM actually says? Is this a different universe or something, where Tallon came out and said "We want to trade our pick for more picks and prospects"? Yeah, that's my "excuse" -- it's what Tallon said (!) Also, the Hunter, 6th and a roster player deal is an offer made by the person you say is a smart hockey man... Please PLEASE cite ANYTHING to prove what you just said. Give just one SHRED of verifiable and factual evidence that your assertion is true. god your logical thoughts are just messy The issue is that you and many here do not even understand basic logic, even when it is explained. Seriously, it's like being in Idocracy where the people who actually put rational thoughts together are laughed at Warhippy, I'm not far behind you, buddy lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JeremyCuddles Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 I think the better question is "Does Benning dislike Gillis' team". There are a lot of trade rumours and UFA signing rumours. More so then usual. Maybe it's just cause this team played so poorly last year who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I think the better question is "Does Benning dislike Gillis' team". There are a lot of trade rumours and UFA signing rumours. More so then usual. Maybe it's just cause this team played so poorly last year who knows. It's just that we have serious holes in the top 6 (more if Kesler's gone). MG knew it too, he just didn't/couldn't fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman60 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I think we need a #1 D-man more than 1st line forward. 1st line forwards/stars can be aquired via trades or free agency, etc. However, #1 D-men are almost impossible to aquire via trades and are very rarely availble in free agency. Defense wins championships. We need both a top d and a top centre. With Kesler likely to be traded, the most pressing need is a dominant centre who is a franchise player like Reinhart. Just because you have a #1 D doesn't mean you win a SC. Look at Nashville, they had Webber and Suter and never came close to winning a SC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockhart Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 I still take Ekblad over Reinhart if we somehow get 1st overall. Harder to get a potential franchise d man than a top 6 forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 The local chatter here in Buffalo is that Draisaitl could possibly be taken with the second pick instead of Reinhart if Ekblad goes first overall as expected. I personally have a hard time believing it so take it with a grain of salt. I personally think that Murray will take Reinhart if Ekblad gets chosen with the first pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asian player Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 We need both a top d and a top centre. With Kesler likely to be traded, the most pressing need is a dominant centre who is a franchise player like Reinhart. Just because you have a #1 D doesn't mean you win a SC. Look at Nashville, they had Webber and Suter and never came close to winning a SC. That's an extreme example. With Legwand and Erat as leading scorers, even god anchoring their back end won't bring them a cup. In this year's playoffs, Drew Doughty seriously tipped the scale in the Hawks-kings series. The way he elevated his game was the difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik Kesler Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Wasn't Benning involved in Boston drafting Seguin? Reinhart projects to be a lot like Seguin based on his junior PPG. This team could use a Tyler Seguin like player. Antics and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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