Alflives Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, rekker said: I touched on this a few days back. Jake is way to content with his game. Jake has information overload going on. The coaches must accept they have a race horse, who needs to be given the reins, and let go. Too much coaching slows him down. Play the kid on left wing, and let him loose. He will destroy opponents, score goals, and be fun to watch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 36 minutes ago, Alflives said: Jake has information overload going on. The coaches must accept they have a race horse, who needs to be given the reins, and let go. Too much coaching slows him down. Play the kid on left wing, and let him loose. He will destroy opponents, score goals, and be fun to watch. Sure. It's the perfect year for it. Just let him loose what the hell. Not like we are gonna win many games anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Alflives said: Jake has information overload going on. The coaches must accept they have a race horse, who needs to be given the reins, and let go. Too much coaching slows him down. Play the kid on left wing, and let him loose. He will destroy opponents, score goals, and be fun to watch. Alf Knows better than Green It's not Jakes fault it is Greens Fire Green, hire Alf Jake an all star 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 1 minute ago, ba;;isticsports said: Alf Knows better than Green It's not Jakes fault it is Greens Fire Green, hire Alf Jake an all star Great idea! Except I must decline; my scooter won't fit behind the bench:( 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Just gonna throw this out there. Virtanen got 19 points in the AHL in 2016/17, then got 20 points in the NHL in 2017/18. That is progress, significant progress. Not many players move to the show and get the same amount of points as they did in the AHL. He is getting better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 (edited) oops double post Edited September 28, 2018 by ba;;isticsports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, ba;;isticsports said: That is progress lol Considering his 19 points in 65 games put him at #363 in AHL scoring Wonder if all those other guys were given or in the NHL now? Goldie 45 points in 49 games Shinkaruk 35 points in 52 games Archie 47 pts in 76 games Subban 36 points in 65 games Jake 19 points in 65 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 ^ Those guys likely wouldnt be able to translate that success point for point in the nhl though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) I think it's because his style doesn't have to change much between the AHL and the NHL. He's a wrecking ball out there when he wants to be, which is what gives him a good base to work from as, I would imagine, it's easier to use that in the NHL than to just be a straight up scorer. Edited September 28, 2018 by The Lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Play him with Pettersson for one game. An ENTIRE game. Not a shift or two. T_T 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 minute ago, N7Nucks said: Play him with Pettersson for one game. An ENTIRE game. Not a shift or two. T_T And on the left side too. I'd love to see Jake, Elias, Loui/Sutter as a line, and for several games. I think they would do very well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: And on the left side too. I'd love to see Jake, Elias, Loui/Sutter as a line, and for several games. I think they would do very well. At this point, I know not to ask for too much. Playing Jake in the top 6 and on his off wing is asking way too much. I don't even think Jake will get top 6 looks without a mountain of injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: At this point, I know not to ask for too much. Playing Jake in the top 6 and on his off wing is asking way too much. I don't even think Jake will get top 6 looks without a mountain of injuries. Sad but true. From watching Jake play, he seems (on tv anyway) to be a responsible 200 foot player. Is there something we are missing about his game, or is there something only the coaches and GM are privy too going on? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Sad but true. From watching Jake play, he seems (on tv anyway) to be a responsible 200 foot player. Is there something we are missing about his game, or is there something only the coaches and GM are privy too going on? He does tend to wander aimlessly when he doesn't have the puck, I notice he'll a lot of the time occupy the same space as a linemate. He'll make passes then just watch instead of being active and moving to another area to give his team another option. Gotta be active away from the puck as much as he is with the puck. That's one of the major differences between him and Boeser. Boeser is proactive. He moves around to areas where he expects the puck to be and areas where his teammates can find him for goals. Thankfully the only problem with Boeser right now is timing in his shot. That'll get cleaned up as time goes on. Whereas Jake needs to start learning to be more active away from the puck. Harder to do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: At this point, I know not to ask for too much. Playing Jake in the top 6 and on his off wing is asking way too much. I don't even think Jake will get top 6 looks without a mountain of injuries. I think it is because he doesn't make the play after gaining entry and usually has some wide angle shot He does not put the biscuit in the basket or is a playmaker I think he may be a good candidate for the penalty kill as mentioned though I am sure the coach who spends way more time than us with him in Junior and practising and games etc has a good grasp of him and will put him in positions if it will help the team I mean do some of you really believe he has never considered that option and just forgets, or Do we need another new coach to get him going? Edited September 28, 2018 by ba;;isticsports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Just now, ba;;isticsports said: I think it is because he doesn't make the play after gaining entry and usually has some wide angle shot He does not put the biscuit in the basket or is a playmaker I think he may be a good candidate for the powerplay though I am sure the coach who spends way more time than us with him in Junior and practising and games etc has a good grasp of him and will put him in positions if it will help the team I mean do some of you really believe he has never considered that option and just forgets, or Do we need another new coach to get him going? The only problem I have with people's opinion of Jake is they talk about him like he's a massive failure of a NHLer. He is definitely a bottom 6 talent. He scores at a bottom 6 rate, he hits, he back checks. People make him sound like the biggest bum ever. Our expectations should be relative to the role he plays. If we want him to be a top 6 talent and expect top 6 production, he should be playing with top 6 talent as well. Why are some of our expectations like 40+ points from him when NO ONE in the bottom 6 can produce at that rate and he gets no PP looks? Just how I look at it. I think he's one of our better bottom 6 players. He does a bit of everything well. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: The only problem I have with people's opinion of Jake is they talk about him like he's a massive failure of a NHLer. He is definitely a bottom 6 talent. He scores at a bottom 6 rate, he hits, he back checks. People make him sound like the biggest bum ever. Our expectations should be relative to the role he plays. If we want him to be a top 6 talent and expect top 6 production, he should be playing with top 6 talent as well. Why are some of our expectations like 40+ points from him when NO ONE in the bottom 6 can produce at that rate and he gets no PP looks? Just how I look at it. I think he's one of our better bottom 6 players. He does a bit of everything well. Maybe he will become very good friends with our elite players and feed off of them? Chum around and learn what it takes and what they expect from him and where they want him to be to be effective, then When practicing and he goes down and wastes another opportunity by shooting wide and the other team getting a scoring chance, that the stars (being best friends) will chastise him and tell him to quit doing that and maybe he will listen then If anyone messes with his friends, he takes it personally, as well as messin with him (and his paycheque) All the great players made players around them better that way Usually only the powerplay is stacked with all the best Hopefully he cares enough and is "able" to get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, ba;;isticsports said: Maybe he will become very good friends with our elite players and feed off of them? Chum around and learn what it takes and what they expect from him and where they want him to be to be effective, then When practicing and he goes down and wastes another opportunity by shooting wide and the other team getting a scoring chance, that the stars (being best friends) will chastise him and tell him to quit doing that and maybe he will listen then If anyone messes with his friends, he takes it personally, as well as messin with him (and his paycheque) All the great players made players around them better that way Usually only the powerplay is stacked with all the best Hopefully he cares enough and is "able" to get it Goldy has done this? He made the bottom 6ers he plays with better? Oh, he doesn't play with bottom 6ers. Jake has to make those scrubs better though. Lol. Double standards, double standards everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 56 minutes ago, Alflives said: Sad but true. From watching Jake play, he seems (on tv anyway) to be a responsible 200 foot player. Is there something we are missing about his game, or is there something only the coaches and GM are privy too going on? Green seems to have a dislike for Virtanen it seems. Some games where he has played quite well he still had low ice times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Goldy has done this? He made the bottom 6ers he plays with better? Oh, he doesn't play with bottom 6ers. Jake has to make those scrubs better though. Lol. Double standards, double standards everywhere. You don't think the coach (as well as the other coaches) don't want to put him in a situation to make the team better? I think they know Jake does not have "golden" hands that can score, and don't see him in that role at this point Just as the coach does not think Goldy is useful as a bottom 6 guy and will give him the opportunity to make it as one or be gone Remember all players even plumbers were top scorers on their junior teams Even Archie had more than double the points of Jake in the AHL Not everyone on a team can be top 6 players and have to accept that their roles will change from junior and find a niche to stay in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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