Nikita Tryamkin | D

[stawns]

I agree that WD's "mistreatment" of Try is, largely a myth used to blame someone other that Nikita for his leaving.  His ice time was fine and using a HOF dman as an example of how a big man can impact a game is completely legitimate.

 

I'm no WD fan, quite the opposite, but he gave Nikita every opportunity to succeed.

[Guest]

WD doesn’t like Russian born players.  

 

Look at Tryamkin, Goldy, and most recently Kovalchuk. 

[SilentSam]

3 hours ago, Boudrias said:

Sorry Sam but I think you are exaggerating Desjardin's treatment of Tryamkin to make your point. If anything Desjardin's coaching record shows that he was inclined to shelter players in their development rather than deliberately sabotage their progress. Like any young player Tryamkin wanted more ice time, they all do. Bottom line was that his TOI average 16 minutes and by year end he was playing 20. Tryamkin might not have liked his usage in the Canuck playbook but as a rookie I do not think it was as bad as you suggest.

 

If he comes back he will have Green as his coach and still have a learning curve to be competitive at the NHL level. We all saw how Green was capable of demanding a better game from Hutton. If he has to do the same thing with Tryamkin does he 'pull his punches' to placate a over sensitive Russian?  

If I’m exaggerating, and your right..  then tell me why Desjardins was fired a year before his contract expired?

Im not saying it was JUST his treatment of Tryamkin,. That being,  throwing a good prospect under the bus in front of the media with “out of shape comments” and forcing Managment into a meeting with a player that never should have happened.

Desjardins was poorly selective.  I personally scratched my head over his deployment of players after his first season with us,. And did he not flog our #1 pp into numbness for 2 seasons?

Green sees and does things totally differently.. there are no punches..  no throw downs, no omissions...   he has a guided hand who matches and challenges players by putting them in different situations to bring out better points of their game.  Green gains and gets respect from the way he handles players.

Desjardins demanded it, screamed his head off for it in Junior hockey..  now he is back where he can get away with it again.

 

 

Edited June 8, 2019 by SilentSam

[SilentSam]

34 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

WD doesn’t like Russian born players.  

 

Look at Tryamkin, Goldy, and most recently Kovalchuk. 

Fair statement.

[Alflives]

3 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

If I’m exaggerating, and your right..  then tell me why Desjardins was fired a year before his contract expired?

Im not saying it was JUST his treatment of Tryamkin,. That being,  throwing a good prospect under the bus in front of the media with “out of shape comments” and forcing Managment into a meeting with a player that never should have happened.

Desjardins was poorly selective.  I personally scratched my Had over his deployment of players after his first season with us,. And did he not flog our #1 pp into numbness for 2 seasons?

Green sees and does things totally differently.. there are no punches..  no throw downs, no omissions...   he has a guided hand who matches and challenges players by putting them in different situations to bring out better points of their game.  Green gains and gets respect from the way he handles players.

Desjardins demanded it, screamed his head off for it in Junior hockey..  now he is back where he can get away with it again.

 

 

Willie D does well with players who want to get to the NHL.  He’s terrible with NHL players.  

[OneSeventeen]

23 hours ago, Bert Diesel said:

To further this, although I think Tryamkin should've been more of a team player and accepted a brief stint in Utica back then, his talent was undeniable and he certainly deserved more ice time than the inept, now run out of the league, Desjardins gave to him. The thing that everyone misses with BFG is that his skill set is far more suited to the NHL game than the KHL. His stats in the KHL were never going to be that amazing as he isn't an offensive guy and smaller guys do better on the international ice. The smaller ice surface lends itself to a big man like Nikita with a great wingspan and powerful stride. I remember watching him and thinking that the other team had no chance to score when he was on the ice. Looking at the statistics from that year, the team was terrible and his +/- was far better than most other defenceman on the team. I think he would be a very valuable asset to the team moving forward and is almost an ideal bottom pair defenceman. If he's able to up his physical game he will be a major force in the league. 

Tryamkin doesn't see himself as a bottom pairing guy. If I remember correctly, there was one interview where he said he was happy to be back in the KHL because he was getting top pairing minutes compared to Vancouver.

 

This is ultimately what gives me pause when it comes to Tryamkin: He didn't want to develop in the AHL. Likely a money issue IMO. From his perspective the AHL is a development league that only pays thousands, so why not develop in the KHL and get paid millions? He's in his mid-twenties now so his development time is likely finished or close to. If he isn't a top pairing guy or even a top 4 guy, will he accept a role on this team as a bottom paring guy? 

[Nuxfanabroad]

9 hours ago, Alflives said:

Willie D does well with players who want to get to the NHL.  He’s terrible with NHL players.  

Seems like a decent, respectable sort, who should perhaps organize things like a church picnic..but GoodGawd(!!!) his deployments/lineups were Frackinginfuriating!

 

WD was sheer stealth-tank tactician.

[OneSeventeen]

9 hours ago, SilentSam said:

If I’m exaggerating, and your right..  then tell me why Desjardins was fired a year before his contract expired?

Im not saying it was JUST his treatment of Tryamkin,. That being,  throwing a good prospect under the bus in front of the media with “out of shape comments” and forcing Managment into a meeting with a player that never should have happened.

Desjardins was poorly selective.  I personally scratched my head over his deployment of players after his first season with us,. And did he not flog our #1 pp into numbness for 2 seasons?

Green sees and does things totally differently.. there are no punches..  no throw downs, no omissions...   he has a guided hand who matches and challenges players by putting them in different situations to bring out better points of their game.  Green gains and gets respect from the way he handles players.

Desjardins demanded it, screamed his head off for it in Junior hockey..  now he is back where he can get away with it again.

 

 

Willie Desjardins is not an NHL coach. That being said, management is equally responsible for Tryamkin leaving the team. It was ridiculous of them to sign Tryamkin to a one-way deal for his first year in the NHL. Tryamkin was a 22-year-old rookie who had only played 13 games in the NHL. He wasn't a Panarin, Zaitsev or Dadonov talent wise. Nothing in his KHL career entitled him to ask for a contract that said he would only come to North America if he was given a one-way ticket to the NHL. Yet management gave him one. Completely contrary to their preachings of wanting each and every player to earn their roster spot. 

 

Willie got fired in 2017 because we as a fan base we were unhappy since 2014 with Torts. Linden is a legend. Benning was a former Canucks and part of a Cup winning management group. We had a BC born coach in the system that was already getting offers in Travis Green. Compared to Linden and Benning, Willie was the most disposable and in the eyes of the fanbase had the most demerits against him, largely because his choices were on display every game. But Willie's choices really hinged on the choices made by Linden and Benning. They gave Willie an absolutely uncompetitive roster while marketing a "competitive rebuilding" strategy. 

 

Let's also not pretend that the Canucks finishing at the bottom of the league under Willie wasn't a necessary evil. Olli Joulevi and Elias Pettersson was the fruit of that evil. 

 

Our #1 PP became so because we didn't have the talent to complement the Sedins.

 

I'm glad Willie's back in junior hockey where he belongs. But let's try to be fair here. 

[stawns]

10 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

WD doesn’t like Russian born players.  

 

Look at Tryamkin, Goldy, and most recently Kovalchuk. 

It's entirely possible he's got reasons.

[Wolfgang Durst]

Silent Sam:

here's the news you have been waiting for so long. It's a real pleasure for me to share it with you:

 

Rick Dhaliwal: Benning on Nikita Tryamkin and if there is a future with the Canucks: “There sure is, I met his agent last week. We would love to have him back, look at the size and strength of the Blues blueline. He can be a big part of our group. We will keep talking to his agent.”

[Hairy Kneel]

4 hours ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

Silent Sam:

here's the news you have been waiting for so long. It's a real pleasure for me to share it with you:

 

Rick Dhaliwal: Benning on Nikita Tryamkin and if there is a future with the Canucks: “There sure is, I met his agent last week. We would love to have him back, look at the size and strength of the Blues blueline. He can be a big part of our group. We will keep talking to his agent.”

Sounds like the beginnings of negotiations. And he totally gets it, we need his size against the big teams like St Louis. Because of our injury troubles in Jan-Feb they should get him here as soon as his KHL season ends in April.

[SilentSam]

13 hours ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

Silent Sam:

here's the news you have been waiting for so long. It's a real pleasure for me to share it with you:

 

Rick Dhaliwal: Benning on Nikita Tryamkin and if there is a future with the Canucks: “There sure is, I met his agent last week. We would love to have him back, look at the size and strength of the Blues blueline. He can be a big part of our group. We will keep talking to his agent.”

 

9 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Sounds like the beginnings of negotiations. And he totally gets it, we need his size against the big teams like St Louis. Because of our injury troubles in Jan-Feb they should get him here as soon as his KHL season ends in April.

A GM would have to be crazy to give up on a player with the size strength speed and agility of Tryamkin.

Cheers to JB for staying positive and pragmatic in this situation, where perhaps others would have given up.. not unlike some highly judgmental posters here.

Tryamkin has proven enough in 60 games, 2 years ago to keep a fire alive, and get him back here to help him become the best possible hockey player he can be.

 

This type of player is one that other teams salivate to have in their prospect pool.

 

Something to note that I have shared with Hairy Kneel already,.  

Avtomobilists roster was updated a couple of days ago on Wiki.

They list Tryamkin as Captain, N Dawes as Assistant.. perhaps the Captaincy changes to recently acquired Pavel Datsuyk over the next few weeks.

From the snip bits I have been reading, they have acquire 2 or 3 new D men.

... but I think Avtomobilist is pushing there capspace , the KHL Cap is 13.8m usd this year..  they are also way over the  number of players allowed on their roster.

Wonder if there is an opportunity for Tryamkin to leave in this chaos?

If they know they are going to lose him at the end of next season, perhaps they mutually come to a buy out, and get some money back for him before he leaves?  

But a good agent should be all over that.          

...and I wonder if Nik comes to the conclusion he is playing in a league for retired NHL Vets?   

 All food for thought.

 

Should be an interesting Summer.

Edited June 9, 2019 by SilentSam

[Hairy Kneel]

10 hours ago, SilentSam said:

 

A GM would have to be crazy to give up on a player with the size strength speed and agility of Tryamkin.

Cheers to JB for staying positive and pragmatic in this situation, where others would have given up.

This type of player is one that other teams salivate to have in their prospect pool.

 

Something to note that I have shared with Hairy Kneel already,.  

Avtomobilists roster was updated a couple of days ago on Wiki.

They list Tryamkin as Captain, N Dawes as Assistant.. perhaps the Captaincy changes to recently acquired Pavel Datsuyk over the next few weeks.

From the snip bits I have been reading, they have acquire 2 or 3 new D men.

... but I think Avtomobilist is pushing there capspace , the KHL Cap is 13.8m usd this year..  they are also way over the  number of players allowed on their roster.

Wonder if there is an opportunity for Tryamkin to leave in this chaos?

If they know they are going to lose him at the end of next season, perhaps they mutually come to a buy out, and get some money back for him before he leaves?  

But a good agent should be all over that.          

...and I wonder if Nik comes to the conclusion he is playing in a league for retired NHL Vets?   

 All food for thought.

 

Should be an interesting Summer.

I never thought of that. It's true, it is a retirement league for ex-NHLers. I think he has done enough for now there in his hometown. He can come back to Avto in 10 years when he retires. I really don't see why he would stay there through a rebuild. They came close last year but found themselves too small on their forwards.

I think Try is going to want a raise there too.  Cap space problems in the KHL? Who knew.

[SilentSam]

3 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said:

I never thought of that. It's true, it is a retirement league for ex-NHLers. I think he has done enough for now there in his hometown. He can come back to Avto in 10 years when he retires. I really don't see why he would stay there through a rebuild. They came close last year but found themselves too small on their forwards.

I think Try is going to want a raise there too.  Cap space problems in the KHL? Who knew.

Hairy I read another article this week that someone ( a sports journalist) actually got hold of the salary list of Avtomobilist players this season and exposed it.  Apparently contracts are very hush hush in the KHL,  that is why we probably find little to no substance on KHL player contracts.

The article said that there was a huge uproar between management and some players after the report came out..  the first time this has happened in the KHL.

 

update:   Found and translated..

 

08 June 2019, 00:00

In the current off-season of the KHL the loudest deal — the signing of the contract between the legendary striker Pavel Datsyuk and "Motorist". The winner of the Stanley Cup 2008, Olympic champion 2018 and world champion 2012 returned to his native Yekaterinburg after the expiration of the contract with the St. Petersburg SKA. The signing of the superstar implies further movement of the club to the titles. In 2016, "Motorist" changed its owner and increased its budget, after which it became a serious force in Russian hockey. Last season, Andrey Martemyanov's team won the Eastern conference at the end of the regular season, and for the first time in history they reached the second round of the playoffs. The defeat of "Salavat Yulaev" (1:4 in the series) was a surprise for many. In the spring, the club began construction of a new arena, kept in the team of its main striker Anatoly Golyshev, whose departure to the NHL seemed a matter solved, and lost one of the key specialists of the coaching staff — Nikolai Zavarukhin, who became the mentor of "Siberia". I was pleased with the youth team "Auto", which reached the final of the playoffs of the MHL, where almost beat the star Yaroslavl "Loco", missing the victory in the end of the sixth meeting, and then losing the decisive seventh. In an interview with Izvestia, the Director of Motorist Maxim Ryabkov assessed the past season, commented on the situation with the arena, the contracts of players and changes in the coaching staff. — "Motorist" has become a bright phenomenon in the regular season. Are you satisfied with this season, or the defeat in the series from "Salavat" spoiled the impression? — The President of our club Andrey Kozitsyn has already summed up the results of the season and gave his assessment. It lies in the fact that we are not ashamed of the game and the result that we have shown. But appetite comes with eating. I wanted more, but this is just an excuse for us to work together with the coach, players and club office even harder to achieve higher positions. Last season in terms of the result was the best in the history of "Motorist", but there is a feeling that the potential of the team can count on more. — What about Datsyuk? — We with Paul in good human relations. Many people who are directly related to the "Motorist", are friends with Datsyuk, familiar with him as a native of Yekaterinburg. We have recently talked with him often, mostly on everyday topics. As a result, when it became possible to sign the contract, the negotiations were simple — the usual procedure for such situations. We felt interest of Datsyuk in transition to us, especially in due time he publicly declared desire ever to return to the hometown and the native team. — From the point of view of club PR "Motorist" can be especially happy? — It's not just about that. I would first of all talk about the sports component. We signed a contract with Pavel in order to strengthen the team. We are sure that his experience and professionalism will help "Motorist" to achieve high sports results. And the fact that Datsyuk will attract attention to the club — no doubt. Everyone knows that he is a person and a hockey player of the world scale, a historical figure for hockey. — In November last year, the media published the salaries of the players of "Motorist". The club responded harshly, calling it an information attack. Was it worth the reaction? — This is a violation of the rules of the game — public or private, when there is a publication of the payroll of only one team. Because when in February in the media appeared payroll of other leaders of the KHL, everyone saw that "Motorist" in terms of costs takes the place that we talked about initially — somewhere at the end of the top ten. But the main thing is that at that time the team was able to recover, gather and successfully complete the regular season in the first place in the Eastern conference, which was up to the specified case. So, everything was done by the club in the interests of the team and fans. On this we the incident for themselves have closed. — The incident affected the decline in the results of the "Motorist", which occurred after the November break for Euro tour? — Influenced by the injury of our goalkeeper Kolas Kawarga, who missed six matches, and nothing more. — Andrey Sokolov appeared in the coaching staff of "Motorist". He is invited to replace the departed into "Siberia" Nikolay Zavarukhin? — Yeah. Andrey Sokolov already has experience in our club. And it was in the headquarters of Andrei Martemyanov (in the first coming of Martemyanov as head coach of "Motorist" in the season-2011/12. — «News.)» Then Sokolov left the "Motorist" in "AK bars", was a lot of worthy clubs of the KHL. Last season spent in Chelyabinsk "Tractor". Now he became a member of our staff and will, in particular, be responsible for the well-functioning game in defense. — In recent years, it seemed that the departure of Anatoly Golyshev in the "new York islanders" after the expiration of the contract with the "Motorist" will be inevitable. Was it difficult to negotiate a new four-year agreement with him? — Yes, in the "islanders" very seriously aimed at Anatoly. Up to the point that his agent for North America came to us with a personal order from the owner of the club to negotiate. But in the end, "Motorist" agreed with Golyshev on a new long-term contract. And, as we have already learned from the April interview with Anatoly, our club started talking with him about the extension of the agreement on mutually beneficial terms. Therefore, we are very glad that he stayed in Yekaterinburg and in the coming years will please our fans, not American ones. — If in a couple of years Golyshev decides that he reached the ceiling in the KHL and wants to go to the NHL before the contract expires, will you meet him? — By agreement with Anatoly, this option is present. After two years of contract, if he has a desire, he can go and try himself overseas. But, in case of return to Russia, will be obliged to work out the term which remained under the contract in "Motorist" on already registered in the present contract conditions. — What positions do you plan to strengthen? — There is an understanding who will play for our team in the new season. In principle, the "Motorist" is well equipped, but the selection process is continuous. We will see what interesting options will appear on the market. And on this basis, to make decisions quickly together with our shareholders. — For you became a surprise exit "Auto" in the Kharlamov Cup playoffs, and that team almost won a crucial series, "Loko" with players with experience of playing in the NHL? Our guys did great. But at the same time we know their character, we watch them every day. Therefore, we are confident that they are worthy of the result shown. In their power to reach the final of the Kharlamov Cup and even win it — for the final victory over Loko was not enough just a little bit. It's great that last season was the best for the main team in the KHL, and for the youth in the MHL. The guys deservedly became Vice-Champions of the country. I wish that they and in adult career succeeded at least the same results. — Do any of them have a chance to play in "Motorist" in the next season? — All KHL clubs need limiters. At least for the preparatory period a whole group of guys from "Auto" will be involved in classes with the main team. And then the coaching staff headed by Martemyanov will decide which of them to use in the KHL in the upcoming season. — How are things going with the arena? — Preparing for construction. At the construction site has already begun the first pile work, while trial. — Does the capacity remain the same as originally intended? — Yes, in the hockey configuration it is 12 thousand spectators. In basketball — about 15 thousand and on concerts, conferences, Boxing and single combats — about 18 thousand. — Do you understand when to expect the debut of "Motorist" in the new arena? — We hope that within two and a half years. I would like to start playing in the new arena in the middle of the 2021/22 season.

 

 

Edited June 10, 2019 by SilentSam
Update.

[Gator]

On 6/8/2019 at 9:52 PM, OneSeventeen said:

Tryamkin doesn't see himself as a bottom pairing guy. If I remember correctly, there was one interview where he said he was happy to be back in the KHL because he was getting top pairing minutes compared to Vancouver.

 

This is ultimately what gives me pause when it comes to Tryamkin: He didn't want to develop in the AHL. Likely a money issue IMO. From his perspective the AHL is a development league that only pays thousands, so why not develop in the KHL and get paid millions? He's in his mid-twenties now so his development time is likely finished or close to. If he isn't a top pairing guy or even a top 4 guy, will he accept a role on this team as a bottom paring guy? 

At least he's eligible for a 1 way contract so if he does need some time in the AHL he will be paid. I really don't think it will take him long. Him and Hughes will make a very good top pairing for the next decade

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

3 hours ago, SilentSam said:

I read another article this week that someone ( a sports journalist) actually got hold of the salary list of Avtomobilist players this season and exposed it.

Yeah, according to the article that leaked the salaries, Tryamkin’s current KHL contract (annual figures) is for 48 million rubles base salary and 11 million rubles in bonuses. So 59 million rubles total per year.

 

That’s roughly $742K base and $170K bonuses (USD). Or a total of $912K AAV.

 

Chart from the article:

 

https://m.sport-express.ru/hockey/khl/reviews/vse-zarplaty-hokkeistov-khl-skolko-poluchayut-igroki-lidera-ligi-skolko-stoit-gegemoniya-avtomobilista-1476213/

 

 

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

 

[Hairy Kneel]

17 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Yeah, according to the article that leaked the salaries, Tryamkin’s current KHL contract (annual figures) is for 48 million rubles base salary and 11 million rubles in bonuses. So 59 million rubles total per year.

 

That’s roughly $742K base and $170K bonuses (USD). Or a total of $912K AAV.

 

Chart from the article:

 

https://m.sport-express.ru/hockey/khl/reviews/vse-zarplaty-hokkeistov-khl-skolko-poluchayut-igroki-lidera-ligi-skolko-stoit-gegemoniya-avtomobilista-1476213/

 

 

Wow! Tryamkin is playing for welfare money there. Good gawd 700,000 Geez he should fire Diamond. That's nothing. Boy has to come back to get paid.

[Pepe Silvia]

1 hour ago, Hairy Kneel said:

Wow! Tryamkin is playing for welfare money there. Good gawd 700,000 Geez he should fire Diamond. That's nothing. Boy has to come back to get paid.

Sign him 5 years $3.5m per, more than he'd make in 20 years in the K

[J-P]

45 minutes ago, Pepe Silvia said:

Sign him 5 years $3.5m per, more than he'd make in 20 years in the K

Oh yeah, that would be sweet. Even if he “only” becomes a bottom pairing D (I believe he could be second pairing) his skill set would make that a bargain come playoff time.