Rob_Zepp Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 14 hours ago, reyezone said: So you’re not willing to bet against him becoming a top 4 in subsequent years? I don't personally see it in him. That's all. Doesn't mean I am not pulling for the big guy. I am pulling for Sautner too but doesn't mean I think he is a Norris candidate in training. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 11 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: I don't personally see it in him. That's all. Doesn't mean I am not pulling for the big guy. I am pulling for Sautner too but doesn't mean I think he is a Norris candidate in training. I'm with you. If he comes back Tryamkin will be an important part of this team. But I don't for a second think he will be any more than a complementary player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 13 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: I don't personally see it in him. That's all. Doesn't mean I am not pulling for the big guy. I am pulling for Sautner too but doesn't mean I think he is a Norris candidate in training. 1 hour ago, kloubek said: I'm with you. If he comes back Tryamkin will be an important part of this team. But I don't for a second think he will be any more than a complementary player. I wonder if this was the same type of expectations/speculative, that had Cam Neely heading for the East Coast for a “wash tub” in Peter Mcnab? Think about that for a minute. Is the speculation you 2 are giving,. The same type that management of the Canucks had when Neely was here?.. That speculation moving a player before his potential was reached.. before real opportunity was given.. I don’t expect him to load up points.. But shutting down and frustrating some this leagues best power power forwards should amount to something more than an attaboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 3 hours ago, SilentSam said: I wonder if this was the same type of expectations/speculative, that had Cam Neely... I don’t expect him to load up points.. But shutting down and frustrating some this leagues best power power forwards should amount to something more than an attaboy. First, Cam Neely is a pretty extreme example which will never fit in the same sentence. But I get your point. Of course, nobody can know for sure how a prospect may turn out. Sometimes the potential is misread and we would be foolish to claim we know for certain. That's why we speculating - as fans of the game and the team. And in that speculation some (many?) of us don't believe we see enough in Tryamkin to believe he is likely to be highly adept at anything other than playing a highly physical game. So far, I feel his play both in the NHL and KHL backs this up. Personally, I believe that what you see is what you get with Try. A big, mobile-for-his-size, hard hitting player. I think his size is extraordinary and would be of great benefit to us (especially in the playoffs), however I don't see a guy who will be Tanev-like in his shutdown ability, nor enough talent to be a significant contributor on the scoresheet. Hence, why I believe him to be a complimentary player. This is not a knock on him, really. I have always considered Tanev to be a complimentary player due to his limited skillset as well, but at the same time I feel he has been one of our most important defensemen over the last few years as. If Try does join this team I think he could he a wonderful compliment to Hughes or Stecher - but there is that word again... "complimentary". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, kloubek said: First, Cam Neely is a pretty extreme example which will never fit in the same sentence. But I get your point. Of course, nobody can know for sure how a prospect may turn out. Sometimes the potential is misread and we would be foolish to claim we know for certain. That's why we speculating - as fans of the game and the team. And in that speculation some (many?) of us don't believe we see enough in Tryamkin to believe he is likely to be highly adept at anything other than playing a highly physical game. So far, I feel his play both in the NHL and KHL backs this up. Personally, I believe that what you see is what you get with Try. A big, mobile-for-his-size, hard hitting player. I think his size is extraordinary and would be of great benefit to us (especially in the playoffs), however I don't see a guy who will be Tanev-like in his shutdown ability, nor enough talent to be a significant contributor on the scoresheet. Hence, why I believe him to be a complimentary player. This is not a knock on him, really. I have always considered Tanev to be a complimentary player due to his limited skillset as well, but at the same time I feel he has been one of our most important defensemen over the last few years as. If Try does join this team I think he could he a wonderful compliment to Hughes or Stecher - but there is that word again... "complimentary". Well I look at it the same, but the other side.. Hughes and Stetcher can not play Tryamkins game either.. and although the Physicality and Prowess of Nik’s game can not be played by Stetcher or Hughes,. It is just as, if not more important. “Complimentary” does not put one side of the pairing ahead of the other. Fan base loves to see points in those columns by Dmen as a depiction on ones play.. but line up Hughes or Stetcher against Getzlaff, E Kane, J Benn night after night, and they’re in the medical room before the game is over... Funny that you brought up Tanev.. plays what ?.. 30 games a year.. and when he does there’s a target on his back that glows in the dark. Physicality is far too underrated.. but what wins you a Cup. The Grind. Shutting down an offence, and pushing back on the deep puck, dump and gun entry. ..and if you don’t have the men who forcefully shut that down and turn around the play, you lose. You can get “points” on a scoring play.. but you don’t get them for shutting one down. Knock a man down hard to the ice and you’ve taken him out of that play for 3 seconds.. should get a point for that. Its Defence.. if you had 2 Teams, one whose D core was 6 Hughes,.. and another that had 6 Tryamkins.. one of those teams would be out of the playoffs, and have 3-4 Dmen on IR by February. Tryamkin will be a top 4 D man in his first full season with us,. and I’m sure there will be a player to compliment his game. Edited July 1, 2019 by SilentSam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Myers Stecher Tanev Woo Tryankin????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted July 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/29/2019 at 3:51 PM, SilentSam said: Thank you, and like wise.. I beleive through all discussions an air of pragmatism prevails.. as it does between you and I. I beleive Tryamkin Just needs the right environment here to live up to his potential.. must be tough on these kids who come straight from other countries where a government is feared.. to put their trust into a culture so foreign to them. I am glad we grabbed Podolzkin, I see him potentially as a Stan Smyl 3.0 , time and patience will tell. ps. @Stierlitz posted earlier that Avtomobilist are considering to also convert their ice surface to the NHL size. That ice change would be HUGE for the big fella. As far as Podz, I think he could well end up being as good as Kakko or Hughes. People can laugh now but this kid is legit. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: That ice change would be HUGE for the big fella. As far as Podz, I think he could well end up being as good as Kakko or Hughes. People can laugh now but this kid is legit. A great precursor for him before he comes back (hopefully;).. and yes Podz could be a bit of a lightning rod,. Looks like he can make things happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 25 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Myers Stecher Tanev Woo Tryankin????? Hughes Myers Juolevi Woo Tryamkin Stecher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Hughes Myers Juolevi Woo Tryamkin Stecher And Rathbone too 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfor42 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 One of the things I really like about the Tyler Myers signing is what it means if Tryamkin returns. First is the potential for both these huge guys to redefine the nux D. But also. It will give every fan the opportunity to see exactly what Tryamkin has because he will be compared directly with Meyers performance every night. The debate will be resolved as to how good Tryamkin is. One way or the other. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 A Tryamkin-Myers pairing... and Nikita is the "short guy" for that pairing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 23 hours ago, SilentSam said: I wonder if this was the same type of expectations/speculative, that had Cam Neely heading for the East Coast for a “wash tub” in Peter Mcnab? Think about that for a minute. Is the speculation you 2 are giving,. The same type that management of the Canucks had when Neely was here?.. That speculation moving a player before his potential was reached.. before real opportunity was given.. I don’t expect him to load up points.. But shutting down and frustrating some this leagues best power power forwards should amount to something more than an attaboy. 23 hours ago, SilentSam said: I wonder if this was the same type of expectations/speculative, that had Cam Neely heading for the East Coast for a “wash tub” in Peter Mcnab? Think about that for a minute. Is the speculation you 2 are giving,. The same type that management of the Canucks had when Neely was here?.. That speculation moving a player before his potential was reached.. before real opportunity was given.. I don’t expect him to load up points.. But shutting down and frustrating some this leagues best power power forwards should amount to something more than an attaboy. Neely wasn’t traded for Peter McNab, he was traded for Barry Peterson, along with our first pick that turned into Glen Wesley - a damn good defenceman. Pederson had had a couple of hundred + point seasons a couple of years before the trade and was still about a point a game guy. The only thing wrong was that apparently he’d had a tumour the size of a fist removed from his arm prior to the trade which made the trade look like not such a great idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: Myers Stecher Tanev Woo Tryankin????? Tanev's gone at some point this season. Woo's likely a couple years away. The question we should be asking is, what happens if Barrie wants to sign at 'home' next summer for a reasonable price? Barrie Myers Stecher Tryamkin ..and eventually yes, Woo. Pretty good chance the ED nabs one of those guys I guess. Edited July 2, 2019 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-P Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, aGENT said: Tanev's gone at some point this season. Woo's likely a couple years away. The question we should be asking is, what happens if Barrie wants to sign at 'home' next summer for a reasonable price? Barrie Myers Stecher Tryamkin ..and eventually yes, Woo. Pretty good chance the ED nabs one of those guys I guess. If Woo - who won’t need protection? - pans out and NT returns I wouldn’t worry about losing Stecher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, J-P said: If Woo - who won’t need protection? - pans out and NT returns I wouldn’t worry about losing Stecher. I think it perhaps more likely we lose Myers.... See the discussion here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-P Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: I think it perhaps more likely we lose Myers.... See the discussion here: I was thinking we protect him, and if we opt not to he probably isn’t worth protecting. Nice to have the flexibility on his contract either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 minute ago, J-P said: I was thinking we protect him, and if we opt not to he probably isn’t worth protecting. Nice to have the flexibility on his contract either way. Might just be a case of potentially having younger/cheaper/better players available that we can afford to have him go and free up cap space for other needs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 58 minutes ago, J-P said: I was thinking we protect him, and if we opt not to he probably isn’t worth protecting. Nice to have the flexibility on his contract either way. I'm hoping he's an enticing piece that Seattle may be interested in and Seattle keeps him close to home anyway. Would take 6 million off the books for us. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, aGENT said: Tanev's gone at some point this season. Woo's likely a couple years away. The question we should be asking is, what happens if Barrie wants to sign at 'home' next summer for a reasonable price? Barrie Myers Stecher Tryamkin ..and eventually yes, Woo. Pretty good chance the ED nabs one of those guys I guess. Tanev will be gone at the TDL for sure, unless we are in a playoff race...….I don't think JB can stomach sending him away if we are in a race, unless they know absolutely Tryamkin is back shortly there after...…..but even then.... A lot of variables for the Expansion draft...………. Edler...………..is a UFA Hughes...…….Exempt Juolevi...……..depends how he plays...………...protect ? Barrie...……….lol, one never knows...………….protect Stetcher………expendable, if needed...………..protect? Tryamkin...…..depends how he plays...………...protect ? Woo...………..Exempt Tanev...………,Should be traded by then or gone It would have been nice to sign Hainsey or similar, to allow Tanev to be traded Edited July 3, 2019 by janisahockeynut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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