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3 minutes ago, cyoung said:

Ya we are in a crap division but we should not trade tanev. Even if we don't have a team to go far, even reaching the playoffs (2nd round would be sick) would be absolutely amazing for our young guys development. 

 

Ya we have have had stellar goaltending, because our goalies are that good. You are talking like our success is just luck, it really isn't, we are a playoff team and we need to get in to see what it takes to go far.

Do you think not having Tanev takes us out of the playoff picture? Because if our depth is so poor Id not want to gamble on Tanev's health to get us into the playoffs.

 

Edit: I also don't think this team is playoff competitive because of luck. As I outlined with my 2nd last post. I just believe moving on from expiring UFA's helps this teams future more then using them in their last year. 

 

Is Benn, Tyamkin or Rafferty (or Chatfield) such a downgrade from Tanev that we will miss the playoffs and lose that experience you refer too?

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2 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said:

Do you think not having Tanev takes us out of the playoff picture? Because if our depth is so poor Id not want to gamble on Tanev's health to get us into the playoffs.

He's a difference maker for sure. We aren't just gambling on one person, it's the whole team. He's an integral part of this team. 

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1 minute ago, cyoung said:

He's a difference maker for sure. We aren't just gambling on one person, it's the whole team. He's an integral part of this team. 

One player doesn't make a team. Unless your Edmonton and Mcdavid

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11 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said:

Do you think not having Tanev takes us out of the playoff picture? Because if our depth is so poor Id not want to gamble on Tanev's health to get us into the playoffs.

 

Edit: I also don't think this team is playoff competitive because of luck. As I outlined with my 2nd last post. I just believe moving on from expiring UFA's helps this teams future more then using them in their last year. 

 

Is Benn, Tyamkin or Rafferty (or Chatfield) such a downgrade from Tanev that we will miss the playoffs and lose that experience you refer too?

It sounds to me that you are constructing arguments from both sides in order to justify your trade Tanev viewpoint. On the one hand you say things like, and I'm paraphrasing, "we aren't going to make the playoffs without him, so why bother? Trade him for picks." On the other hand, you suggest that our depth may be enough to cover his worth regardless. Which is it that you believe? You also seem determined that Tanev won't be re-signed, which you really have no idea about whether that is going to happen or not. 

 

I think most people here, and the Canucks organization themselves, believe that playoff experience is more valuable than an additional pick at this point in time. Tanev, and hopefully Tryamkin, will be a big part of that experience. Team Tank is over for the next decade, so you might as well move it to the trade/proposals section. 

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Honestly, I feel the pacific being weak bit is a bit overblown tbh. We've got five divisional teams very much in the mix for five of the eight western spots. Five teams within six points. When I look out east I see a few premier squads with a pile of points at the expense of the bottom rung of the east.

 

Those outside the playoff bar out west currently have 56, 56, 55, 52, 48, 47, and 43 respectively. Those out east have 63, 61, 55, 54, 53, 46, 45, and 28 respectively. What I gather from this is that teams out east are beating up on teams closer to the bottom, while out west there's more parity and things are more competitive. There are six teams out east with 64 points or more, there are only two out west and we're one of them.

 

If anything this might speak to the east being stronger than the west this season, not the pacific being weak. Chicago, Winnipeg, and Nashville aren't far out but as of right now they're outside the bar. 

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1 hour ago, Coconuts said:

Honestly, I feel the pacific being weak bit is a bit overblown tbh. We've got five divisional teams very much in the mix for five of the eight western spots. Five teams within six points. When I look out east I see a few premier squads with a pile of points at the expense of the bottom rung of the east.

 

Those outside the playoff bar out west currently have 56, 56, 55, 52, 48, 47, and 43 respectively. Those out east have 63, 61, 55, 54, 53, 46, 45, and 28 respectively. What I gather from this is that teams out east are beating up on teams closer to the bottom, while out west there's more parity and things are more competitive. There are six teams out east with 64 points or more, there are only two out west and we're one of them.

 

If anything this might speak to the east being stronger than the west this season, not the pacific being weak. Chicago, Winnipeg, and Nashville aren't far out but as of right now they're outside the bar. 

Wow. Detroit sucks.

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26 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said:

Wow. Detroit sucks.

I feel for their fans, I know they had a crazy string of playoff seasons but what a fall off. It'll be interesting to see if Yzerman can piece them back together. 

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21 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

I feel for their fans, I know they had a crazy string of playoff seasons but what a fall off. It'll be interesting to see if Yzerman can piece them back together. 

Don’t feel bad for them they won’t be bad for long.

 

If they land Lafreniere or Byfield they’ll be adding to an already solid young core of Larkin, Bertuzzi, Hronek, Mantha, Zadina, Seider, Fabbri, Veleno, Rasmussen, Cholowski.

 

They’re ripe with high end talent they just need the right coach in place to help develop their next core.

 

There are a lot of teams in much worse positions.

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Seriously. We’re April, Tryamkin signs and comes back. Say the defence then is as it stands today:

 

EDLER - STETCHER

HUGHES - TANEV

FANTENBERG - MYERS

Benn

 

Where does he fit?

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Me_ said:

Seriously. We’re April, Tryamkin signs and comes back. Say the defence then is as it stands today:

 

EDLER - STETCHER

HUGHES - TANEV

FANTENBERG - MYERS

Benn

 

Where does he fit?

 

 

 

Tryamkin > Stecher, Fatenberg, & Benn

 

At one point people wanted to hold onto Lack more than Markstrom. Let's not let familiarity blind us from truth.

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13 minutes ago, Me_ said:

Seriously. We’re April, Tryamkin signs and comes back. Say the defence then is as it stands today:

 

EDLER - STETCHER

HUGHES - TANEV

FANTENBERG - MYERS

Benn

 

Where does he fit?

 

 

If the team is rolling, then that's the D group we roll with. Tryamkin is good depth and roster limits will be lifted come April. We get an injury or need a spark, I'd much rather have Tryamkin than no Tryamkin. Especially if we face a heavy team, then he could replace Stecher.

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I've been watching his games and seeing him ploughing  and rag dolling a 6' 200 lb forward is worth  the wait. Only Edler and Myers come close to that ability.  The funny part is it hardly looks like he's trying. 

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3 hours ago, RetroCanuck said:

Do you think not having Tanev takes us out of the playoff picture? Because if our depth is so poor Id not want to gamble on Tanev's health to get us into the playoffs.

 

Edit: I also don't think this team is playoff competitive because of luck. As I outlined with my 2nd last post. I just believe moving on from expiring UFA's helps this teams future more then using them in their last year. 

 

Is Benn, Tyamkin or Rafferty (or Chatfield) such a downgrade from Tanev that we will miss the playoffs and lose that experience you refer too?

Benn is currently not in the top 6 because he hasn't shown enough. Tryamkin might not join us until late March or April if he even gets released from his contract to play this season and he would coming to a "new" team. Rafferty hasn't proven anything at the NHL level and his biggest knock has been that he needs to improve defensively as per Johnson. Chatfield is a decent call up option at best right now. So while they may not be enough of a downgrade for us to possibly miss the playoffs, it could lead to us backing into the playoffs rather than going in with full control. Also how many teams have you seen heading into the playoffs actually choose to downgrade their roster?

 

Having Tanev gives the best chance of success. Imagine having all that depth you listed, plus a Tanev. You don't plan on him potentially getting injured and potentially any player could get injured (knock on wood). The goal for the playoffs this year (aside from actually trying to win the damn thing) is to gauge our team in a playoff situation, so having the best chance to succeed will give us the best gauge on where we need to improve and tweak for the following season. Any year you make the playoffs could be the year, so you don't waste them.

 

My viewpoint is that most playoff bound teams acquire rentals anyway. So Tanev may potentially be our "playoff rental" that we don't have to pay an asset for.

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1 hour ago, DeNiro said:

Don’t feel bad for them they won’t be bad for long.

 

If they land Lafreniere or Byfield they’ll be adding to an already solid young core of Larkin, Bertuzzi, Hronek, Mantha, Zadina, Seider, Fabbri, Veleno, Rasmussen, Cholowski.

 

They’re ripe with high end talent they just need the right coach in place to help develop their next core.

 

There are a lot of teams in much worse positions.

Fair point. It'll be interesting to see who they nab, the draft lottery is a fickle thing. 

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1 hour ago, Me_ said:

Seriously. We’re April, Tryamkin signs and comes back. Say the defence then is as it stands today:

 

EDLER - STETCHER

HUGHES - TANEV

FANTENBERG - MYERS

Benn

 

Where does he fit?

 

 

One thing's for certain, he definitely brings an element to the table that very few players currently in the NHL are capable of.

 

The fact that he can ragdoll guys like Getzlaf and Jamie Benn, immediately puts teams on notice. 

 

That in itself is priceless.

 

Where he fits in once he's here, I'll leave that up to the guys behind the bench. 

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3 hours ago, Me_ said:

Seriously. We’re April, Tryamkin signs and comes back. Say the defence then is as it stands today:

 

EDLER - STETCHER

HUGHES - TANEV

FANTENBERG - MYERS

Benn

 

Where does he fit?

 

 

You think the D will be all healthy the whole time?

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8 hours ago, RetroCanuck said:

Is Benn, Tyamkin or Rafferty (or Chatfield) such a downgrade from Tanev that we will miss the playoffs and lose that experience you refer too?

Yes.

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You guys saw how bad we were without Edler? You guys think we can make the playoffs without Tanev? We now are having success while he's healthy and you want to trade him away?

 

Pacific is tight. We're not a dominant team. Tryamkin would not be able to replace what Tanev brings right away.  Doesn't even have a seasons worth of games of experience and has been away for 3 years. Benn is not a top 4 D and not even in our top 6 right now, Rafferty needs to work on his defensive side of the game.

 

How many teams that are trying to make the playoffs downgrade? You do know other teams will be looking to improve so you think we'd be fine with subtracting while other teams added?

 

Also Tanev's agent stated that his priority is to re-sign in Vancouver. Hughes-Tanev is a great pairing and we should keep it around.

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