RetroCanuck Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, cyoung said: He's a difference maker for sure. We aren't just gambling on one person, it's the whole team. He's an integral part of this team. One player doesn't make a team. Unless your Edmonton and Mcdavid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeBrew Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: Do you think not having Tanev takes us out of the playoff picture? Because if our depth is so poor Id not want to gamble on Tanev's health to get us into the playoffs. Edit: I also don't think this team is playoff competitive because of luck. As I outlined with my 2nd last post. I just believe moving on from expiring UFA's helps this teams future more then using them in their last year. Is Benn, Tyamkin or Rafferty (or Chatfield) such a downgrade from Tanev that we will miss the playoffs and lose that experience you refer too? It sounds to me that you are constructing arguments from both sides in order to justify your trade Tanev viewpoint. On the one hand you say things like, and I'm paraphrasing, "we aren't going to make the playoffs without him, so why bother? Trade him for picks." On the other hand, you suggest that our depth may be enough to cover his worth regardless. Which is it that you believe? You also seem determined that Tanev won't be re-signed, which you really have no idea about whether that is going to happen or not. I think most people here, and the Canucks organization themselves, believe that playoff experience is more valuable than an additional pick at this point in time. Tanev, and hopefully Tryamkin, will be a big part of that experience. Team Tank is over for the next decade, so you might as well move it to the trade/proposals section. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) Honestly, I feel the pacific being weak bit is a bit overblown tbh. We've got five divisional teams very much in the mix for five of the eight western spots. Five teams within six points. When I look out east I see a few premier squads with a pile of points at the expense of the bottom rung of the east. Those outside the playoff bar out west currently have 56, 56, 55, 52, 48, 47, and 43 respectively. Those out east have 63, 61, 55, 54, 53, 46, 45, and 28 respectively. What I gather from this is that teams out east are beating up on teams closer to the bottom, while out west there's more parity and things are more competitive. There are six teams out east with 64 points or more, there are only two out west and we're one of them. If anything this might speak to the east being stronger than the west this season, not the pacific being weak. Chicago, Winnipeg, and Nashville aren't far out but as of right now they're outside the bar. Edited February 3, 2020 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Coconuts said: Honestly, I feel the pacific being weak bit is a bit overblown tbh. We've got five divisional teams very much in the mix for five of the eight western spots. Five teams within six points. When I look out east I see a few premier squads with a pile of points at the expense of the bottom rung of the east. Those outside the playoff bar out west currently have 56, 56, 55, 52, 48, 47, and 43 respectively. Those out east have 63, 61, 55, 54, 53, 46, 45, and 28 respectively. What I gather from this is that teams out east are beating up on teams closer to the bottom, while out west there's more parity and things are more competitive. There are six teams out east with 64 points or more, there are only two out west and we're one of them. If anything this might speak to the east being stronger than the west this season, not the pacific being weak. Chicago, Winnipeg, and Nashville aren't far out but as of right now they're outside the bar. Wow. Detroit sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 26 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said: Wow. Detroit sucks. I feel for their fans, I know they had a crazy string of playoff seasons but what a fall off. It'll be interesting to see if Yzerman can piece them back together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, Coconuts said: I feel for their fans, I know they had a crazy string of playoff seasons but what a fall off. It'll be interesting to see if Yzerman can piece them back together. Don’t feel bad for them they won’t be bad for long. If they land Lafreniere or Byfield they’ll be adding to an already solid young core of Larkin, Bertuzzi, Hronek, Mantha, Zadina, Seider, Fabbri, Veleno, Rasmussen, Cholowski. They’re ripe with high end talent they just need the right coach in place to help develop their next core. There are a lot of teams in much worse positions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Seriously. We’re April, Tryamkin signs and comes back. Say the defence then is as it stands today: EDLER - STETCHER HUGHES - TANEV FANTENBERG - MYERS Benn Where does he fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slegr Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Me_ said: Seriously. We’re April, Tryamkin signs and comes back. Say the defence then is as it stands today: EDLER - STETCHER HUGHES - TANEV FANTENBERG - MYERS Benn Where does he fit? Tryamkin > Stecher, Fatenberg, & Benn At one point people wanted to hold onto Lack more than Markstrom. Let's not let familiarity blind us from truth. Edited February 3, 2020 by Slegr 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 13 minutes ago, Me_ said: Seriously. We’re April, Tryamkin signs and comes back. Say the defence then is as it stands today: EDLER - STETCHER HUGHES - TANEV FANTENBERG - MYERS Benn Where does he fit? If the team is rolling, then that's the D group we roll with. Tryamkin is good depth and roster limits will be lifted come April. We get an injury or need a spark, I'd much rather have Tryamkin than no Tryamkin. Especially if we face a heavy team, then he could replace Stecher. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I've been watching his games and seeing him ploughing and rag dolling a 6' 200 lb forward is worth the wait. Only Edler and Myers come close to that ability. The funny part is it hardly looks like he's trying. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: Do you think not having Tanev takes us out of the playoff picture? Because if our depth is so poor Id not want to gamble on Tanev's health to get us into the playoffs. Edit: I also don't think this team is playoff competitive because of luck. As I outlined with my 2nd last post. I just believe moving on from expiring UFA's helps this teams future more then using them in their last year. Is Benn, Tyamkin or Rafferty (or Chatfield) such a downgrade from Tanev that we will miss the playoffs and lose that experience you refer too? Benn is currently not in the top 6 because he hasn't shown enough. Tryamkin might not join us until late March or April if he even gets released from his contract to play this season and he would coming to a "new" team. Rafferty hasn't proven anything at the NHL level and his biggest knock has been that he needs to improve defensively as per Johnson. Chatfield is a decent call up option at best right now. So while they may not be enough of a downgrade for us to possibly miss the playoffs, it could lead to us backing into the playoffs rather than going in with full control. Also how many teams have you seen heading into the playoffs actually choose to downgrade their roster? Having Tanev gives the best chance of success. Imagine having all that depth you listed, plus a Tanev. You don't plan on him potentially getting injured and potentially any player could get injured (knock on wood). The goal for the playoffs this year (aside from actually trying to win the damn thing) is to gauge our team in a playoff situation, so having the best chance to succeed will give us the best gauge on where we need to improve and tweak for the following season. Any year you make the playoffs could be the year, so you don't waste them. My viewpoint is that most playoff bound teams acquire rentals anyway. So Tanev may potentially be our "playoff rental" that we don't have to pay an asset for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: Don’t feel bad for them they won’t be bad for long. If they land Lafreniere or Byfield they’ll be adding to an already solid young core of Larkin, Bertuzzi, Hronek, Mantha, Zadina, Seider, Fabbri, Veleno, Rasmussen, Cholowski. They’re ripe with high end talent they just need the right coach in place to help develop their next core. There are a lot of teams in much worse positions. Fair point. It'll be interesting to see who they nab, the draft lottery is a fickle thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Me_ said: Seriously. We’re April, Tryamkin signs and comes back. Say the defence then is as it stands today: EDLER - STETCHER HUGHES - TANEV FANTENBERG - MYERS Benn Where does he fit? One thing's for certain, he definitely brings an element to the table that very few players currently in the NHL are capable of. The fact that he can ragdoll guys like Getzlaf and Jamie Benn, immediately puts teams on notice. That in itself is priceless. Where he fits in once he's here, I'll leave that up to the guys behind the bench. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Trade Tanev 1. We shouldn't resign a 30 year old, injury prone defensive defensemen for 5 million. Not to mention this is Tanev's last deal to cash in on and would want a 3-4 year term. 2. He puts up little offensive numbers (better this year but look who he plays with, Hughes is creating everything. Not to mention all he does is cough up the puck after he hits the red line and just dumps the puck in because he can't make a play. 3. We aren't winning the cup and if you think we are missing the playoffs because we trade him you're not watching our team. Petey, JT,Horvat,Marky and Hughes are the reason we are where we are. We have a solid team around them but Tanev isn't a make or break player. We'd miss the playoffs if Petey and Marky went down for the rest of the season(even then we'd probably find a way). Not because we traded Tanev. Right now there is like a 90% chance we make the playoffs if we play .500 hockey the rest of the way. Can't see going like 10-17-2 over one player and if we do then we got bigger problems then we think. I'll take the 90% odds and cash in on Tanev's high value. 4. Can't let him walk for nothing. He is having a career year. PTS and health wise, lets capitalize on that. I believe since d-men are so valuable and especially top 4, that you could get a 1st rounder or top prospect. I'd take that all day long. Having a top prospect that would potentially be a major factor when we are competing for the cup is a win. If we get our first back then Benning and Brackett WILL get us a player that will contribute going forward (again a win). We got nothing to lose, why keep Tanev for 2 more months to potentially win 1 playoff round than trade him for a potential key piece to our future contending team. Seems like a no brainer to me. 5. Anyone can play with Q.Hughes. QH makes Tanev look good not the other way around. Don't lose sight of that. Tryamkin could play with Hughes (and actually protect him) and do just fine. Everyone's acting like the difference between Tanev and another replacement (in this case Tryamkin) is like Jordie Benn replacing Quinn Hughes. ITS NOT 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Outsiders said: Trade Tanev 1. We shouldn't resign a 30 year old, injury prone defensive defensemen for 5 million. Not to mention this is Tanev's last deal to cash in on and would want a 3-4 year term. 2. He puts up little offensive numbers (better this year but look who he plays with, Hughes is creating everything. Not to mention all he does is cough up the puck after he hits the red line and just dumps the puck in because he can't make a play. 3. We aren't winning the cup and if you think we are missing the playoffs because we trade him you're not watching our team. Petey, JT,Horvat,Marky and Hughes are the reason we are where we are. We have a solid team around them but Tanev isn't a make or break player. We'd miss the playoffs if Petey and Marky went down for the rest of the season(even then we'd probably find a way). Not because we traded Tanev. Right now there is like a 90% chance we make the playoffs if we play .500 hockey the rest of the way. Can't see going like 10-17-2 over one player and if we do then we got bigger problems then we think. I'll take the 90% odds and cash in on Tanev's high value. 4. Can't let him walk for nothing. He is having a career year. PTS and health wise, lets capitalize on that. I believe since d-men are so valuable and especially top 4, that you could get a 1st rounder or top prospect. I'd take that all day long. Having a top prospect that would potentially be a major factor when we are competing for the cup is a win. If we get our first back then Benning and Brackett WILL get us a player that will contribute going forward (again a win). We got nothing to lose, why keep Tanev for 2 more months to potentially win 1 playoff round than trade him for a potential key piece to our future contending team. Seems like a no brainer to me. 5. Anyone can play with Q.Hughes. QH makes Tanev look good not the other way around. Don't lose sight of that. Tryamkin could play with Hughes (and actually protect him) and do just fine. Everyone's acting like the difference between Tanev and another replacement (in this case Tryamkin) is like Jordie Benn replacing Quinn Hughes. ITS NOT Have to agree with this. Tanev is not taking us into the playoffs. The entire team is. Tanev is not going to win us a cup. But it is possible the entire team will.. but probably not this season any way. We need to get a look at players like OJ, Rafferty, Bresbois, and Sautner again.. and with the probable return of Tryamkin for the playoffs.. this team will still make the playoffs without Tanev. We need to get something back for a player we are not going to resign.. and we won’t resign him because the aforementioned players will be pushed hard to make the Team next season. This is attrition, and how a true farm system works. Lets hope we can get a 2nd rnd pick back for Tanev from a team that needs him and would resign him next season.. add a prospect or a pick and do better in the draft. Edited February 3, 2020 by SilentSam 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Me_ said: Seriously. We’re April, Tryamkin signs and comes back. Say the defence then is as it stands today: EDLER - STETCHER HUGHES - TANEV FANTENBERG - MYERS Benn Where does he fit? You think the D will be all healthy the whole time? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 8 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: Is Benn, Tyamkin or Rafferty (or Chatfield) such a downgrade from Tanev that we will miss the playoffs and lose that experience you refer too? Yes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 You guys saw how bad we were without Edler? You guys think we can make the playoffs without Tanev? We now are having success while he's healthy and you want to trade him away? Pacific is tight. We're not a dominant team. Tryamkin would not be able to replace what Tanev brings right away. Doesn't even have a seasons worth of games of experience and has been away for 3 years. Benn is not a top 4 D and not even in our top 6 right now, Rafferty needs to work on his defensive side of the game. How many teams that are trying to make the playoffs downgrade? You do know other teams will be looking to improve so you think we'd be fine with subtracting while other teams added? Also Tanev's agent stated that his priority is to re-sign in Vancouver. Hughes-Tanev is a great pairing and we should keep it around. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Me_ said: Seriously. We’re April, Tryamkin signs and comes back. Say the defence then is as it stands today: EDLER - STETCHER HUGHES - TANEV FANTENBERG - MYERS Benn Where does he fit? If Tryamkin was available before the TDL then he steps in for Stecher. Quite honestly I feel Fantenberg is now 5D on the club. The real issue faced by Benning is whether to move Stecher or Tanev before the TDL. Highly doubtful he can resign both without threatening his CAP framework. Both will want raises and term. Very hard decision. Tanev at 30 with 3/4 year term is almost a non starter IMO. What can JB get for Tanev. He is having an excellent season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax- Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) Personally I think they should trade his rights and be done with him. Send him to the east coast far away from the smoke in Vancouver. Wasn't happy the first time here, now he's not happy in Russia!? I believe he is not that good, hasn't stood out in the KHL and been pushed down the depth chart? Suspicions of attitude problems have been speculated. I would be more concerned with the effect on team chemistry more than anything, he has not EARNED his spot like the others. Now if he came to Camp in September and had a good camp, makes the team on his play and positive attitude, I would be happy. Just my 2 cents Go Canucks Go Edited February 3, 2020 by AbrasiveAjax Oops 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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