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8 hours ago, WiDeN said:

Are signings on hold now too? Could they theoretically sign him during the shut down, or is that shut down too? 

Beleive business carries on, but games on hold ..

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Beleive business carries on, but games on hold ..

Sign him!  What the hell is JB waiting for?  

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18 hours ago, Me_ said:

So.....

 

Technically..............

 

Tryamkin could suit up for the next Canucks game then..........

 

Technically.... 

And then Trump said, "Hey, we don't want this guy playing for the Canucks this season, let's impose a travel ban on Europe...."

 

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Lets just remember that his season just ended.  He probably has injuries to take care of or simply needs the rest.  With the whole corona virus thing happening, he could just simply be deciding to just take a back seat and just stay home with his family.  Especially now with the NHL on hiatus, travel ban, whether or not he's really eligible to play this season or not... he's in no rush to make any rash decision. 

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10 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said:

He plays too bigly.

That’s,  UUuge. 

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8 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

That’s,  UUuge. 

Whoa, those are two big words

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The Rangers signed Miller out of the NCAA yesterday, so signings are still allowed. Of course the new signed players aren't really going to play anywhere, but they get their money. 

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A delayed return to NHL action might actually work in Tryamkin's favour to play with the Canucks later this season. Once his rights to his KHL club end later in April, he will be free to come clobber opponents in the Canucks' final stretch of the regular season.

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I highly doubt he gets signed until after his contract is over April 30.  What would be the point if we are not even playing games at the moment?  Also, Benning hasn't officially come out and said if he could play this year, so we don't even know yet 100% if he can come over this year to play.

 

My hunch is he will sign in May or June and by that time we will know what we are going to do with Tanev.

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On 3/13/2020 at 7:42 AM, Alflives said:

Sign him!  What the hell is JB waiting for?  

Negotiations? Benning offers x years at y dollars. Agent wants x +/- 2 years at y++ dollars. Counter-offers ensue. Finally term and money is acceptable for both parties, so he signs. Takes time. Remember how long it took Boeser to sign? 

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17 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I highly doubt he gets signed until after his contract is over April 30.  What would be the point if we are not even playing games at the moment?  Also, Benning hasn't officially come out and said if he could play this year, so we don't even know yet 100% if he can come over this year to play.

 

My hunch is he will sign in May or June and by that time we will know what we are going to do with Tanev.

He needs to be released from his contract, that is the news we are waiting for.

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18 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I highly doubt he gets signed until after his contract is over April 30.  What would be the point if we are not even playing games at the moment?  Also, Benning hasn't officially come out and said if he could play this year, so we don't even know yet 100% if he can come over this year to play.

 

My hunch is he will sign in May or June and by that time we will know what we are going to do with Tanev.

If he is released from the KHL terms of earlier than April 30th..  at least the freedom of discussion can take place.

If the NHL season is prolonged this year, let’s hypothetically say by 4 weeks, that’s 1 month less to adress cap / contract/ and draft needs before the 20 / 21 season.

The possibility of a comfort level can at least be found with Tryamkin sooner than later.

 

personally , after reading the CBA a few times now, my interpretation of Tryamkins position is that he is a Group 6 free agent , and NOT a Group 2 RFA.

.. and besides the differences of the above, he is not coming from a European League that would hold him to contract deadlines with the NHL.  He would be exempt from such clauses.

 

hypothetically, if he signs, sooner, and can play this season, that’s more games he might be available to the Canucks if this season is prolonged.

 

The difference between the clauses is worth reviewing.

Until a formal announced is made by the Canucks / NHL / or Agent on this issue.. I’m happy to wait with the possibility of Nik still playing this season.

Either way,  Tryamkin is closer to being in a Canuck Jersey, either this season or next .

.. and that’s positive.


Regardless,.   Travel looks like it is being suspended in the world,.  and there are bigger things, to learn, and be concerned about.

This virus is only looking through the keyhole of how things should be handled in pandemic situations.

Guaranteed there will be more.. and some more powerful.

Lets learn from this,  this is a serious reality check to what the future holds.

 

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2 hours ago, SilentSam said:

If he is released from the KHL terms of earlier than April 30th..  at least the freedom of discussion can take place.

If the NHL season is prolonged this year, let’s hypothetically say by 4 weeks, that’s 1 month less to adress cap / contract/ and draft needs before the 20 / 21 season.

The possibility of a comfort level can at least be found with Tryamkin sooner than later.

 

personally , after reading the CBA a few times now, my interpretation of Tryamkins position is that he is a Group 6 free agent , and NOT a Group 2 RFA.

.. and besides the differences of the above, he is not coming from a European League that would hold him to contract deadlines with the NHL.  He would be exempt from such clauses.

 

hypothetically, if he signs, sooner, and can play this season, that’s more games he might be available to the Canucks if this season is prolonged.

 

The difference between the clauses is worth reviewing.

Until a formal announced is made by the Canucks / NHL / or Agent on this issue.. I’m happy to wait with the possibility of Nik still playing this season.

Either way,  Tryamkin is closer to being in a Canuck Jersey, either this season or next .

.. and that’s positive.


Regardless,.   Travel looks like it is being suspended in the world,.  and there are bigger things, to learn, and be concerned about.

This virus is only looking through the keyhole of how things should be handled in pandemic situations.

Guaranteed there will be more.. and some more powerful.

Lets learn from this,  this is a serious reality check to what the future holds.

 

Congrats, I think you may have found something in the CBA that could allow him to sign this year if there is a resumption in play, the first sentence in the group 6 free agent says "Means any Player who is age 25 or older who has completed three (3) or more professional seasons, whose SPC has expired and: (i) in the case of a Player other than a goaltender, has played less than 80 NHL Games"  NIkita is 25 and according to hockey stats has only played in 79 NHL games. Thank you for using the CBA to base your argument

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56 minutes ago, mikkim said:

Congrats, I think you may have found something in the CBA that could allow him to sign this year if there is a resumption in play, the first sentence in the group 6 free agent says "Means any Player who is age 25 or older who has completed three (3) or more professional seasons, whose SPC has expired and: (i) in the case of a Player other than a goaltender, has played less than 80 NHL Games"  NIkita is 25 and according to hockey stats has only played in 79 NHL games. Thank you for using the CBA to base your argument

 

 

The only offset that I could read in the Group 6 ,  

                     is that he is a FREE agent in all of its language.

 

Meaning he would be free to sign with any NHL Club...     BUT ! it does not mention the abolishment of “signing rights” to a team.. thus he is on the Reserve List,  and a

was probably listed as a “defected player”.

 

im sure there is a story behind the story regarding all of this,. and possibly some secrecy,

      but just knowing that Tryamkin has publicly stated that he would come back to Vancouver if we needed him says a lot about a precluded intention.

 

I’m happy to filter through this part of the CBA with anybody,.

        I’m not a lawyer,  but it really dosent take a lot to understand it if a person is interested in it.    

I might be fully corrected,  and I would be happy to realize that because this really is interesting.

Discussion is good..    

                   ..but tweets from journalists who really don’t study or ask the informative questions is really just “chirping”.

Cheers.

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39 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

 

 

The only offset that I could read in the Group 6 ,  

                     is that he is a FREE agent in all of its language.

 

Meaning he would be free to sign with any NHL Club...     BUT ! it does not mention the abolishment of “signing rights” to a team.. thus he is on the Reserve List,  and a

was probably listed as a “defected player”.

 

im sure there is a story behind the story regarding all of this,. and possibly some secrecy,

      but just knowing that Tryamkin has publicly stated that he would come back to Vancouver if we needed him says a lot about a precluded intention.

 

I’m happy to filter through this part of the CBA with anybody,.

        I’m not a lawyer,  but it really dosent take a lot to understand it if a person is interested in it.    

I might be fully corrected,  and I would be happy to realize that because this really is interesting.

Discussion is good..    

                   ..but tweets from journalists who really don’t study or ask the informative questions is really just “chirping”.

Cheers.

I do not believe he would be considered a defected player (group 4 free agent) because of two lines from the CBA under group 4 free agent, the first one is "who, having had an SPC with a Club, the provisions of which have not been completely fulfilled, contracts for a period including any part of the unfulfilled portion of his SPC" He did fulfill his contract to the Canucks, the 2nd part that would suggest he does not fall under this category is this line "A Player who plays out his final season and enters into a contract for a period including the following season with an unaffiliated club or with any other professional hockey club shall not be deemed to be a "Defected Player". So to me that would mean he does not fall under this category. There is a line in the Group 6 free agent category that makes me believe he would not be an unrestricted free agent and that line is "Any Group 6 Player shall, at the expiration of his SPC, become an Unrestricted Free Agent and shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with any Club" So to me that means he is still the property of the Canucks, that and the fact that he is on our reserve list but once his next contract is done, regardless of how long his next contract is, he will become an unrestricted free agent. I too am no lawyer but the wording does not seem to complicated, I've actually been enjoying reading it. I agree with you discussion is good especially when we have something to back up our points.

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51 minutes ago, mikkim said:

I do not believe he would be considered a defected player (group 4 free agent) because of two lines from the CBA under group 4 free agent, the first one is "who, having had an SPC with a Club, the provisions of which have not been completely fulfilled, contracts for a period including any part of the unfulfilled portion of his SPC" He did fulfill his contract to the Canucks, the 2nd part that would suggest he does not fall under this category is this line "A Player who plays out his final season and enters into a contract for a period including the following season with an unaffiliated club or with any other professional hockey club shall not be deemed to be a "Defected Player". So to me that would mean he does not fall under this category. There is a line in the Group 6 free agent category that makes me believe he would not be an unrestricted free agent and that line is "Any Group 6 Player shall, at the expiration of his SPC, become an Unrestricted Free Agent and shall be completely free to negotiate and sign an SPC with any Club" So to me that means he is still the property of the Canucks, that and the fact that he is on our reserve list but once his next contract is done, regardless of how long his next contract is, he will become an unrestricted free agent. I too am no lawyer but the wording does not seem to complicated, I've actually been enjoying reading it. I agree with you discussion is good especially when we have something to back up our points.

I appreciate your notes here,.  It could just very well be we are waiting for his release from Avtomobilist to negotiate with Tryamkin,  and to keep “good faith” with the KHL..

I hope so.

 

something other to note:  I read a report from the KHL before this season started,  it was about starting a more “professional” approach to business between teams , players , owners, and the KHL.

They have reduced the amount of teams in the KHL to keep them stronger, implemented, smaller ice surfaces to bring the “world class” game closer, introduces a salary cap, and wanted more harmony in player contracts with ownership to get away from some of the “cash pay outs” that makes for a volatile sub culture.

If I remember correctly, there was mention to allow players to move more freely within the league and the world..

I will look for the article, and quote you later on @mikkim .   Cheers.

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13 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

I appreciate your notes here,.  It could just very well be we are waiting for his release from Avtomobilist to negotiate with Tryamkin,  and to keep “good faith” with the KHL..

I hope so.

 

something other to note:  I read a report from the KHL before this season started,  it was about starting a more “professional” approach to business between teams , players , owners, and the KHL.

They have reduced the amount of teams in the KHL to keep them stronger, implemented, smaller ice surfaces to bring the “world class” game closer, introduces a salary cap, and wanted more harmony in player contracts with ownership to get away from some of the “cash pay outs” that makes for a volatile sub culture.

If I remember correctly, there was mention to allow players to move more freely within the league and the world..

I will look for the article, and quote you later on @mikkim .   Cheers.

I think you are totally correct on this, the last thing JB wants to do is antagonise Avtomobilist or the KHL in anyway and that's why we have nerd nothing from the Canucks regarding his status

As for the KHL going to smaller ice size I wonder if that has anything to do with the IIHF coming out and saying they would like all future tournaments to be played on the smaller ice surface https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/international-hockey-competitions-may-move-to-nhl-sized-ice-iihf-president-1.4241909

It would be great if the NHL and KHL can finally come up with a transfer agreement, and the KHL being run more professionally will be great for European hockey, looking forward to reading the article.

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20 minutes ago, mikkim said:

I think you are totally correct on this, the last thing JB wants to do is antagonise Avtomobilist or the KHL in anyway and that's why we have nerd nothing from the Canucks regarding his status

As for the KHL going to smaller ice size I wonder if that has anything to do with the IIHF coming out and saying they would like all future tournaments to be played on the smaller ice surface https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/international-hockey-competitions-may-move-to-nhl-sized-ice-iihf-president-1.4241909

It would be great if the NHL and KHL can finally come up with a transfer agreement, and the KHL being run more professionally will be great for European hockey, looking forward to reading the article.

I copied and pasted this from KHL.com
 
On December 11, KHL President Dmitry Chernyshenko had his annual meeting with the directors of the KHL’s clubs. During the discussions, various amendments to the KHL’s regulations were reviewed. The most significant changes concern the implementation of a hard salary cap, which will be introduced next season. Here’s a run-down of how the new rules affecting players’ salaries will operate.

 

 

How it works now

 

In the 2019-20 season, clubs are operating under a ‘soft’ cap. The total permitted playing budget is 800 million rubles and any club exceeding that limit is obliged to pay 30% of that excess in the KHL Stabilization fund.

 

Next season

 

The salaries of all players listed as part of the roster of the KHL team – including those sent to any farm club in the VHL – will be included in the cap calculations. This applies even to players who do not play in a single game.

The types of income included in the salary cap are as follows: 

 

- Salary;

- Individual bonuses worth more than 20% of the player’s salary;

- Team bonuses worth more than 20% of the combined team wage bill;

- Other material benefits for players and their immediate families, including travel, accommodation, education services etc.

The full list is available in Art.51 of KHL Legal Regulations.

Not included in the salary cap: 

 

- Individual bonuses worth less than 20% of the player’s salary;

- Team bonuses worth less than 20% of the combined wage bill;

- Prizes for teams finishing in the top four positions after the playoffs;

- Prizes for the top three players in the League;

- Salaries of players on two-way contracts with the Junior Hockey League, or playing for the KHL team while aged 21 or under;

- Salaries of any player who listed as injured with an expected return date no earlier than May 1;

- Sports equipment, meals for players.

 

Enforcing the cap

 

There are two key mechanisms to enforce the salary cap in the KHL:

- When applying to compete in the upcoming KHL season, any teams exceeding the cap must redraw their budget to come under the limit;

- Teams overspending during the course of the season will be prevented from signing new players until the playing budget is back under the salary cap.

 

Salary floor

 

In September, the KHL Board of Directors agreed to implement a salary floor starting from the 2020-21 season.

This will form part of the requirements for all teams in the league and will be reviewed each year when approving the competitors for the upcoming campaign. Each team will have to demonstrate a forecast budget that includes a minimum level of funding to pay its players. It will also need to provide proof of funds from the club’s sponsors or owners. Next season, the minimum will be 35% of the salary cap, i.e. 315 million rubles. The level will increase step-by-step until 2023-24, when it will be 55% of the cap (495 million rubles).

The floor that will be 270 million rubles includes players’ basic salaries, individual bonuses and team bonuses.

The league will adopt a ‘three strikes’ policy to deal with breaches of the rule: 

 

- First offense – a fine of 50% of the difference between the official ‘floor’ and the club’s actual expenditure;

- Second offense – a fine equivalent to 100% of the difference between the official ‘floor’ and the club’s actual expenditure;

- Third offense – expulsion of the club from the KHL.

 

Also on the agenda

 

The meeting also dealt with several other issues ranging from the size of the ice in KHL games to a review of the smart puck technology deployed for the first time this season:

 

KHL-NHL Memorandum

 

A revised memorandum of understanding between the NHL and the KHL provides more detailed rules on the mutual enforcement of arbitration arrangements between the two leagues.

 

Rink sizes

 

This season, teams in the KHL are using three different sizes of ice in their arenas. Following a poll of all 24 clubs, it became clear than an absolute majority (16 out of 24) favors a uniform playing surface of 60x28m.

In response the league has decided that all teams should move to a smaller rink size by the start of the 2021-22 season allowing playing both 60x28 and 60x26 surfaces. Before the start of next season, five teams (Jokerit, Lokomotiv, Salavat Yulaev, Traktor, Torpedo) will reduce the width of their rinks from 30m to 28m. Dinamo Riga and Kunlun Red Star will follow suit before the start of the 2021-22 season. Next season, 22 out of the 24 clubs in the KHL will play on a allowable size of ice pad.

 

Medicine and anti-doping

 

The KHL reiterates is zero tolerance stance on doping in sport. As in previous seasons, there is a memorandum of direct cooperation between the KHL and the International Ice Hockey Federation for the 2019-20 season. From September to November 2019, 112 doping tests were conducted jointly with the IIHF. A total of 440 tests are planned for the current season.

The KHL is constantly enforcing stricter requirements for the anti-doping awareness of medical staff and the players themselves. The league implements an anti-doping program developed jointly with RUSADA. Every player in the KHL, Junior Hockey League and Women’s Hockey is obliged to complete an online testing program. Without that certificate, they are not permitted to compete in the championship.

 

Smart pucks and big data

 

This season saw the launch of two ambitious projects designed to bring fans even closer to their favorite teams and to the league.

The ‘smart pucks’ rolled out from the start of the season are part of a world-leading set-up which delivers the highest level of data tracking for players and pucks in every KHL game. This sports telematics system offers a wealth of new statistical data, to the benefit of clubs and fans alike.

The league is in regular discussion with the coaching teams at all clubs, explaining what the system can offer and getting feedback. The telematics are gradually forming a part of the day-to-day life of every club in the league and as we work together to refine it, the system will become even more informative.

Fans also benefit from the opportunity to access smart stats, generated in real time.

 

The second project is more directly linked to fan experience. In March of this year the KHL signed a contract with IT company SAP. The data specialist will use its technologies to establish a detailed database of all interactions between fans, the KHL and individual clubs. A pilot project is already underway, involving Ak Bars, Metallurg and Spartak, and has compiled more than 867,000 individual fan profiles based on over 4.5 million transactions.

The long-term aim is to create a single database that records the full history of each fan’s interaction with the KHL. This information can then be used to enable the league and its clubs to communicate directly with each individual supporter, tailoring the message to their individual needs.

 

 

 

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