Gustav Forsling | D

[Canorth]

Great he shut down Mcdavid on 2 shifts.

And a broken clock is right twice a day. So what. ??

Forsling is years and yesrs away from even having a sniff of the AHL not NHL. AHL.

Listen I'm not trying to be a Debbie downer but I'm more a of a realist and using actually knowledge here rather than blindly setting expectations for gustav because of a few powerplays points.

This is the problem with prospects developing overseas. Imo it stunts their growth and puts them behind 2 years.

2 Years because that's how long it will take them to adjust to north American hockey where the rink is smaller and you have less time and space and people actually try and hit you.

It's like in baseball,

Imagine playing in a league where they are only allowed to throw fastballs. Great.

Then now all of a sudden you play in league where they are allowed to throw curve balls,stinkers, change up etc.

NHL

AHL

SHL

In that order those are the best hockey leagues in the world.

There is nothing "realist" about this - just the opposite actually. You say that there is no chance for him to make it, fine, whatever, but that's not based on anything "real" at all - It's all speculation. The only thing "real" is that this kid is playing well "right now" and people are excited about it, for good reason. It's alot more reasonable than your predictions of the future based on cliches and stereotypes of European players.

[LaBamba]

There is nothing "realist" about this - just the opposite actually. You say that there is no chance for him to make it, fine, whatever, but that's not based on anything "real" at all - It's all speculation. The only thing "real" is that this kid is playing well "right now" and people are excited about it, for good reason. It's alot more reasonable than your predictions of the future based on cliches and stereotypes of European players.

He is very much a realist, the chances of this kid making the NHL are way below 10%.

CDC's hyping of prospects is completely out of control. These last few pages proves that.

We have 2 players under 21, counting BOHO that have a better then 50/50 chance of playing 500 games in the NHL, the other one is Virtanen.

There is nothing wrong with getting exited over a players Devolopment. The hope of them making it is mildly entertaining. Just don't set yourself up for disappointment.

[R3aL]

One thing is for sure

He's got a clapper...

Oh and a cool name..

But Everyone should relax on him, he's a long shot prospect, one I hope will pull It all together in a few years but let's not get ahead of ourselves !

[R3aL]

Oops

[Canorth]

He is very much a realist, the chances of this kid making the NHL are way below 10%.

CDC's hyping of prospects is completely out of control. These last few pages proves that.

We have 2 players under 21, counting BOHO that have a better then 50/50 chance of playing 500 games in the NHL, the other one is Virtanen.

There is nothing wrong with getting exited over a players Devolopment. The hope of them making it is mildly entertaining. Just don't set yourself up for disappointment.

This is the first time people have been able to see this prospect in action since being drafted and he is playing well. Excitement is to be expected, as are the wet-blankets/realists attempting to temper expectations, for the mental health and the good of all.

[Derp...]

I'm surprised no ones thrown out the K name... Karl- you know the rest. Realistically, ya it's not something crazy good, but Henrik Tommernes can shoot the puck pretty well too.

I know everyone wants him to be the puck moving D man we lack, but realistically, that is such a long time away. No one knows what will happen between then and now, but all we can do is look forward to seeing him in this years tourny and probably next years WJC as well. Other than that we probably won't see him play on north american ice much at all for the next 2-3 years. Next years WJC is in Europe again so that will be different.

I like his game and he's definitely ahead of most 18 year old 5th rounders around the league, so take that as a plus sign.

[LaBamba]

This is the first time people have been able to see this prospect in action since being drafted and he is playing well. Excitement is to be expected, as are the wet-blankets/realists attempting to temper expectations, for the mental health and the good of all.

He shut down McDavid for 2 shifts.

[Gstank29]

He shut down McDavid for 2 shifts.

Out of 20

[JamesB]

He is very much a realist, the chances of this kid making the NHL are way below 10%.

CDC's hyping of prospects is completely out of control. These last few pages proves that.

We have 2 players under 21, counting BOHO that have a better then 50/50 chance of playing 500 games in the NHL, the other one is Virtanen.

There is nothing wrong with getting exited over a players Devolopment. The hope of them making it is mildly entertaining. Just don't set yourself up for disappointment.

There was a pretty good article on TSN a while ago about the likelihood of making the NHL. The threshold used was only 100 career games, not 500, and here are the numbers:

high first round (1-10): about 85%

rest of first round: about 60%

second round: about 30%

third round: about 15%

rest of draft: about 10%

And there was very little difference from the 4th round on regarding draft order.

(See http://www2.tsn.ca/columnists/scott_cullen/?ID=267960)

The point is that draft picks from the 3rd round on are pretty much just lottery tickets. Right now the Forsling lottery ticket looks pretty good. The test of good drafting is not that every pick works out. The test is whether it is possible to beat the overall averages and find the occasional diamond in the rough. I think Benning's past record is good on this and I like last year's draft for the Canucks.

As for high picks, I am sure it is true that only Virtanen and Horvat, as individuals, have a high likelihood (more than 50%) of playing 500 or more career games (which would imply probably making the top 6 for part of their careers). But if you take Shinkaruk, Gaunce, Jensen, Corrado, Cassels, and McCann together it is likely that at least 2 or 3 of them will have good NHL careers.

[Canorth]

He shut down McDavid for 2 shifts.

Whatever man...it's his first time on NA ice he played well against the single best hockey prospect on the planet, regardless of how briefly, and scored a goal in a game they lost 5-1. Really have to put in an effort to find anything negative in that. Ffs the kid deserves some credit.

[Mr.53]

I'm liking Forsling. Straight steal of a 5th round pick.

[D-Money]

Rodin looked great in the Juniors too.

...just sayin...

[asian player]

Great he shut down Mcdavid on 2 shifts.

And a broken clock is right twice a day. So what. ??

Forsling is years and yesrs away from even having a sniff of the AHL not NHL. AHL.

Listen I'm not trying to be a Debbie downer but I'm more a of a realist and using actually knowledge here rather than blindly setting expectations for gustav because of a few powerplays points.

This is the problem with prospects developing overseas. Imo it stunts their growth and puts them behind 2 years.

2 Years because that's how long it will take them to adjust to north American hockey where the rink is smaller and you have less time and space and people actually try and hit you.

It's like in baseball,

Imagine playing in a league where they are only allowed to throw fastballs. Great.

Then now all of a sudden you play in league where they are allowed to throw curve balls,stinkers, changeup etc.

NHL

AHL

SHL

In that order those are the best hockey leagues in the world.

Looks like you forgot KHL but that's cool too...

[BanTSN]

He shut down McDavid for 2 shifts.

lul. Shutdown specialist.

[LaBamba]

There was a pretty good article on TSN a while ago about the likelihood of making the NHL. The threshold used was only 100 career games, not 500, and here are the numbers:

high first round (1-10): about 85%

rest of first round: about 60%

second round: about 30%

third round: about 15%

rest of draft: about 10%

And there was very little difference from the 4th round on regarding draft order.

(See http://www2.tsn.ca/columnists/scott_cullen/?ID=267960)

The point is that draft picks from the 3rd round on are pretty much just lottery tickets. Right now the Forsling lottery ticket looks pretty good. The test of good drafting is not that every pick works out. The test is whether it is possible to beat the overall averages and find the occasional diamond in the rough. I think Benning's past record is good on this and I like last year's draft for the Canucks.

As for high picks, I am sure it is true that only Virtanen and Horvat, as individuals, have a high likelihood (more than 50%) of playing 500 or more career games (which would imply probably making the top 6 for part of their careers). But if you take Shinkaruk, Gaunce, Jensen, Corrado, Cassels, and McCann together it is likely that at least 2 or 3 of them will have good NHL careers.

Unbelievable post right here.

[250Integra]

This kid can sure shoot the puck!

Could be a long shot, but these competitions are usually break-out points for young players. Hope he has a successful tournament but not against Canada!

[Warhippy]

Chuckling right now on a few levels.

1. people think that since he played a few solid shifts against MacJesus he's good.

2. People think that being excited for a prospect is foolish over-hyping

3. People STILL demand Torey Krug yet...think Forsling doesn't have the same chance for success.

He's a 5th round draft pick, hard not to be excited about a guy that did actually pace the invincible MacJesus on the world stage and scored some big goals against NA skaters on NA ice. His defensive lapses will be cleaned up in time.

But for a lot of us it's just nice to see any of our prospects scoring goals putting up points.

[Canorth]

Unbelievable post right here.

Not really...it's common sense. Shouldnt need stats to tell you that its more likely for a higher draft pick to make the NHL. Doesn't mean much today though.

The kid has played good so far in the pre-tournament. He looks good for a late pick so far = people make comparisons - who cares

[Baer.]

Not really...it's common sense. Shouldnt need stats to tell you that its more likely for a higher draft pick to make the NHL. Doesn't mean much today though.

The kid has played good so far in the pre-tournament. He looks good for a late pick so far = people make comparisons - who cares

Lol I'll tell you why it's not common sense. Because being drafted in the 4th round doesn't give you a %10 chance of making the NHL. It just means that %10 of players drafted in the 4th round played 100 games in the NHL. Common sense is knowing a 4th round pick doesnt have as good of a shot to make the NHL as a first rounder. WELL DUH. Thats why they were drafted in the 4th round. Why do you think the NHL has 7 rounds of draft if they didn't think each year was deep enough to bear NHLers that deep. The article James found is just more redundant blabber coming out of TSN's word hole. Every player outside the first round has an equal shot of making the NHL.

Also carlweezer, you can't say if a player is going to make the NHL until 2-3 years after they drafted. To be a "realist" and dismiss a prospect so early is why you will never be a scout.

[SamJamIam]

Lol I'll tell you why it's not common sense. Because being drafted in the 4th round doesn't give you a %10 chance of making the NHL. It just means that %10 of players drafted in the 4th round played 100 games in the NHL.

Those two statements are equivalent.