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You guys do realize top draft picks have a far better chance to pan out right?

Also do you guys know how awful the Canucks are at drafting?

Why not get a lock like McDavid or Eichel since the Canucks have no chance to compete with the top teams of today.

You realize that Benning is the first GM that Vancouver has hired that actually was a head of scouting right for another franchise right?

Players like Shea Weber, Johan Franzen, Jamie Benn, were passed over by other teams. Yes getting a top 5 pick greatly helps your chances. But in the past two drafts both Shinkaruk and McCann could easily be steals. Hopefully we're going to get more players like that in the draft. And less guys like Pat White, Jordan Schroeder, and Grabner.

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your writing this team off and they haven't played a game yet....for shame...

They've played many games seasons with this core and only came close once, three years ago when everybody had career years. No more Kesler,Schneider,Ehrhoff ect, how will this aging team fare any different from last season when they finished 24th?

you must really be an old timer..i'm 75 and cyclone's career ended before i was born...i was a fan when rocket richard played.....and mickey mantle in baseball....you must be 85 or so....a true fan who watches a game, wouldn't contemplate tanking,none that i'ld have any respect for anyway....if you are an old timer...i'm sorry i don't respect your views.

So if you were a Pittsburgh Penguins fan, you wouldn't be happy with the Pens tanking in 1983? http://www.tsn.ca/bardown/Story.aspx?TSN+Original%3A+Playing+To+Lose&id=455356

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Of course Wilson is going to say that. That organization has run out of ideas. Year after year they wash out of the playoffs and fall short.

Just because one underachiever says it does not mean it's a possibilty for non-snake bitten teams.

New rule: No more tanking threads. If you post a tanking thread, you will be ostricized.

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you must really be an old timer..i'm 75 and cyclone's career ended before i was born...i was a fan when rocket richard played.....and mickey mantle in baseball....you must be 85 or so....a true fan who watches a game, wouldn't contemplate tanking,none that i'ld have any respect for anyway....if you are an old timer...i'm sorry i don't respect your views.

To be fair, he didnt say he watched Cyclone Taylor play, he said he watched Cyclone watching the Canucks on Saturday night. Cyclone died in 1979, so he basically could be a guy in his fifties like me.

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They've played many games seasons with this core and only came close once, three years ago when everybody had career years. No more Kesler,Schneider,Ehrhoff ect, how will this aging team fare any different from last season when they finished 24th?

So if you were a Pittsburgh Penguins fan, you wouldn't be happy with the Pens tanking in 1983? http://www.tsn.ca/bardown/Story.aspx?TSN+Original%3A+Playing+To+Lose&id=455356

Okay fine then, let's tank. Then when McDavid gets tired of all the losing and bolts the first chance he gets we can start the whole process over again. It'll be exciting being the Montreal Expos of hockey. We'll always have upside at least.

Sure the Penguins won a few cups...they also almost lost their franchise. We're one horrible team and one very bad recession from having no hockey team, so let's try to be a little competitive while we restock mmmkay?

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The biggest and best moves so far by Benning are off ice.

Experienced, high quality scouts and player development personel should, and have, come before what is put on the ice.

The foundation for the future is still being carefully laid.

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The biggest and best moves so far by Benning are off ice.

Experienced, high quality scouts and player development personel should, and have, come before what is put on the ice.

The foundation for the future is still being carefully laid.

Well unless you've heard otherwise, the only move on the player evaluation staff has been the hiring of Weisbrod...we went into the draft with the same old same old...only difference I saw was JB was firmly in control of the picking process.

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i'm glad doug wilson finally alluded to it. his team, he said might have 'tanked' in a bid for a high pick next year but as he also said, the sharks are still too good. so it's nice to know that in the gm circles this subject gets broached.

jb cannot be so sure of his canucks being too good still. he will be (as are many supporters) hoping for a bounce back year. this will be plan a i guess. he cannot not have a plan b. if the team does not bounce back, i'm guessing (hoping) he moves as quick as he has in this off season. it has been well discussed already. off load vets, pick up picks/prospects and 'tank.'

so, the very many 'holier than thou,' can now realize that this 'tanking' concept is within the mindset of the brass. and if the brass can think it so can the fan. and i for one am a fan. i remember watching cyclone taylor on sat nights at pacific coliseam watching the canucks, i go back a way. don't insult me about the way the game of hockey works. anyone who wants a 1 and out should go and watch ballet. you are happy to get your a** kicked?!! absolutely disgusting. believe me no one who has played this game is EVER happy to go 1 and out. so a little pain and then some gain and then the realistic expectation to go deep into the playoffs.

when is a loss a win? i will be counting the losses this year and looking forward to the possibility of getting barzal or ??. most of the players we will want on the team in 3 yrs will be playing in the minors. what do i care about a bunch of well paid vets suffering through a bad season? you think you need to be a loyal fan. what a laugh you so called 'true blue.' these guys are paid professionals. bobby orr is the only player i have heard of to tear up a contract because he didnt feel he played well enough. he is the exception. the possibility of drafting another home town kid with talent is what i look forward to not a 1 and out.

Source please? This post seems to start off right in the middle of a conversation/thought. I appreciate you attempting to interpret for us; however, can we have some context?

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Benning is in large part responsible for Boston's success.

He was responsible for player assessment ,drafting superior talent while trading successfully ,as well.

If so, he is not the "god" as everyone seems to assume. He was part of the "team" responsible for choosing Zach Hamill one spot ahead of Logan Couture in the first round. We know how that one worked out! Drafting at such a young age is VERY, VERY difficult.

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I think the mods should lock this... Redundant... this has been discussed to death and we dont need another thread.... Also, no link, I havent seen or heard anywhere that Wilson said this stuff...

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Benning has said he wants the prospects to be groomed in a winning culture. If you want a team that sucks and tanks cheer for buffalo or Edmonton

That doesn't mean that the winning culture that the prospects are playing in is not in Utica. The prospects will develop as a team there, not warming the pine in Vancouver.

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Terrible loser mentality.

Tanking ? These are professional Athletes, why would they tank ? So the organization can draft a younger faster player that will take them jobs in a few years ??

There's also no guarantee in loterry picks thats why the most successful long term organizations rely on scouting and player development. This is where winning happens

I can make you a current all world team based on players that werent drafted in the top 10. Forget tanking, let's focus on scouting and player development.

Just ask how tanking has been doing in Edmonton and new York islanders.

Ask how tanking has gone in Pittsburgh....Mario Lemieux, Sidney Crosby, Malkin....oh ya they have a couple of Stanley Cups to their credit too.

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Its that type of loser mentality that creates teams like Edmonton and Florida...eternal losers who keep accumulating picks and prospects and after a decade, they still suck.

Why should we get rid of all the vets? You need vets to mentor the young guns and you need a culture of winning or working hard in order to build a winning team. You don't purposely lose or tank, because thats not how a championship team is built. Teams like Chicago or Pittsburgh were really awful and were actually working hard towards winning and they got the number 1 picks because they just weren't good. No point in purposely tanking because it just creates a loser team and am not going to watch Canucks games if they are just playing to lose. Such a stupid concept that I hope the NHL figures it out and actually makes sure that the last place team doesn't have a guaranteed or even a high chance of getting the number 1 overall. It should be the bottom 14 teams all having equal chances of landing the 1st overall pick.

You are wrong on the Pittburgh account. I watched a program a couple of weeks ago about Pittsburgh tanking to get Mario Lemieux. The coaches, GM, owner etc were all on there....as they said, they did what was best for the team longterm and that was doing everything they could to make sure that they got Mario Lemieux.

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This really is a stupid thread.....a bunch of fans thumping their chests shouting 'I am a better fan than you'. There are two sides to every debate, so I ask' How many of you were secretly hoping that the Canucks would lose the last few games, after they were eliminated, in order to get a better draft position?

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We will have to see at the trade deadline - if we are nowhere close to making the playoffs, the obvious thing to do is to tank. But if we are in the run for the playoffs, I see Benning adding to make our team better - not subtracting.

Benning wants to make the playoffs. As you say, that's his Plan A. I will cheer this team on to make the playoffs - not hope they lose games so they have to abandon Plan A.

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They've played many games seasons with this core and only came close once, three years ago when everybody had career years. No more Kesler,Schneider,Ehrhoff ect, how will this aging team fare any different from last season when they finished 24th?

So if you were a Pittsburgh Penguins fan, you wouldn't be happy with the Pens tanking in 1983? http://www.tsn.ca/bardown/Story.aspx?TSN+Original%3A+Playing+To+Lose&id=455356

if you know your history, pittsburgh was so bad, they almost had to move the franchise because no one was going to the games...

i don't respect what they did, never will.

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Benning has said he wants the prospects to be groomed in a winning culture. If you want a team that sucks and tanks cheer for buffalo or Edmonton

Exactly this. You guys are morons for this whole "tanking" idea, as fans of the game it's unfortunate that you think that surrounding young talent with a winning culture means nothing. The Buffalo Sabres are an example of a team that was terrible last year, but knows what they're doing as they've already surrounded their kids with older veteran players and while building through the draft are at least attempting to maintain as much of a winning culture as they can. What's the difference between us and the Sabers? Well we made the cup finals 3 years ago, while their rebuild process is different because their cup finals pieces are long gone. However, the oilers after '06 decided to go with the average Canucks fan idea of tanking and look where it got them. Taylor hall is getting paid $6 million and doesn't care if he wins or loses

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except for last season, the canucks had very good regular seasons...losing to LA in the first round the year LA beat everybody to win the cup...they have had injuries they couldn't over come...i admit they have slipped in skill but they are far from a poor team...if they are poor this year, i'll eat my words....this team is not a cup contender but a team that is going to be fun to watch...

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Once again, see this from the eyes of a STH (Season Ticket Holder). Tanking is NOT an option. When you pay that much money to see this team, or any professional team, live, you want the best results you can muster. If it means Bo Horvat stays another year in Junior because he's NOT ready for the show, so be it. I don't want to see any player on the Canucks not ready to be successful at the NHL level. It's bad financial and asset management. Bringing in somebody not ready yet burning off a year or two of his entry-level contract will not serve any fan of the team in the short or long term.

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I hate tanking. The problem for me is that if the team is tanking this year, I turn off the TV. Next year comes around and I start questioning if I should actually turn it back on our not. Why should I bother watching a team or organization who isn't committed to putting fourth the effort to win?

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