DonLever Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 The Associated PressPublished Friday, July 25, 2014 7:02AM EDT Last Updated Friday, July 25, 2014 9:40PM EDT LONG BEACH, Calif. -- Prosecutors were waiting Friday for the results of a police investigation into the killing of a burglar by an 80-year-old homeowner who says he shot the woman in the back as she fled his home and ran down an alley, the district attorney's office said. Long Beach resident Tom Greer, 80, told KNBC-TV that the burglar had said she was pregnant and asked Greer not to fire but he shot her twice in the back anyway. An autopsy later found that Andrea Miller, 28, was not pregnant, said Ed Winter, coroner's spokesman. Photos Tom Greer speaks to a reporter about being the victim of a home invasion and shooting one of the two suspects. "Long Beach police are still investigating," said Sarah Ardalani, spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office. "It's ongoing and so we're waiting at this point." Prosecutors filed murder, burglary, robbery and weapons-related charges against 26-year-old Gus Adams, a suspected accomplice of Miller. He was being held on bail of more than $1 million. A court appearance initially set for Friday was rescheduled for next month. The murder charge is possible because Adams is accused of participating in a felony that led to a death, said police Chief Jim McDonnell. Police said Friday that Adams' mother, Ruby Adams, also was involved, and she was arrested Thursday night on suspicion of robbery. They gave no details on her alleged role or the evidence against her. McDonnell said the homeowner came home around 9 p.m. Tuesday and surprised Adams and Miller, who were trying to break into a safe. They assaulted him, breaking his collarbone, before he was able to get a handgun, the chief said. Police said he fired shots inside and outside his house. Under California law, homeowners have a right to protect themselves with deadly force inside their homes and in the immediate vicinity -- such as a patio -- if they feel they are in imminent danger of great bodily injury or death, said Lawrence Rosenthal, a former federal prosecutor who teaches law at Chapman University. But this case enters a grey area because Greer, by his own account, chased the burglars and fired at them outside his home as they were fleeing, Rosenthal said. "The problem here is that all this happens very fast and his legal right to use force probably ended just a few seconds before he did use deadly force," Rosenthal said. "So the question is should you charge somebody on the basis of what really was a series of split-second decisions when he's just been robbed and physically assaulted?" McDonnell declined to say how many shots were fired or to confirm that Miller was shot in the back. No phone listing was available for Greer and he could not be reached for comment by The Associated Press. Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/california-man-80-guns-down-pregnant-home-intruder-i-shot-her-twice-1.1931344#ixzz38ho8Ku6d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Grimes Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I don't see a problem here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 I don't see a problem here. Yeah, same here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue90 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 lol I'm just supposed to believe you're pregnant? Not just some fatty stealing to get a fix of McDonalds/Crack? How do I know you weren't just carrying a pillow with a gun under it? Even if he's found guilty he's 80. He won't spend a day in prison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gross-Misconduct Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Atta boy! Seniors 1 - Home invading scum- 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 This is one old guy you do not want to mess with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted July 27, 2014 Author Share Posted July 27, 2014 If this happened in Canada the old guy would be in jail right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 If this happened in Canada the old guy would be in jail right now. Unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkpoet Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 So the question is should you charge somebody on the basis of what really was a series of split-second decisions when he's just been robbed and physically assaulted?" The fact that this question is even asked with any seriousness, tells you all you need to know about the state of "justice" in our society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blue90 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Haha I break into people's homes and walk around backwards stealing stuff and if they lay a hand on me I sue them. I profit either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 If she really was pregnant, she wouldn't be breaking into homes and assaulting people. The old guy obviously knew she was lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asian player Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 If she really was pregnant, she wouldn't be breaking into homes and assaulting people. The old guy obviously knew she was lying. times are tough haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denguin Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Not that I have a problem with criminals being shot, but something tells me he's gonna be in trouble for shooting someone while she was already fleeing (although I didn't read the story... I will when I have time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trek Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 He's going to be in trouble for shooting her in the back while she was running away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 This old man was probably like him ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Haha I break into people's homes and walk around backwards stealing stuff and if they lay a hand on me I sue them. I profit either way I would love for you to try that with me. After I'm done with you, you would be no more! On all seriousness we do have the power to arrest and use force if someone commits crime around our property, without fear of losing a lawsuit. The key is that the force be reasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Not that I have a problem with criminals being shot, but something tells me he's gonna be in trouble for shooting someone while she was already fleeing (although I didn't read the story... I will when I have time). Lol, you don't have time but you're reading off topic CDC threads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papayas Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 shooting someone for self defense is one thing.. Shooting a fleeing target is another. But hey, this is America, so anything could happen there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 shooting someone for self defense is one thing.. Shooting a fleeing target is another. But hey, this is America, so anything could happen there. Beyond that, she had indicated surrender when the old man pulled the trigger. The old man was technically out of imminent danger by then, so this could end up as some sort of revenge killing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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