J.I.A.H.N Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Barkov and 2015-2nd for Bonino, Hamhuis, Gaunce Florida does this because it makes them an better team now, and puts some pants in the seats now! Van does this because Barkov is projected a #1 Center, is big,play making and very offensive. Gaunce is replacible, Hamhuis's contracts up in 2 yrs, and Bonino does not have the upside. . Florida does this! Vancouver does this! Present Centers H.Sedin Future Centers Barkov Barkov Horvat Horvat McCann Richardson Cassels The Canucks then spend some high picks, drafting Dmen 2015-1st (5th to 15th) 2015- 2nd ( 35th to 45th) 2015- 2nd (40th t0 50th) (Florida's) Possible trade 2016th-1st round for a mid to late 2015-1st rounder Trade Higgins................late 2015 2nd Trade Lack.....................late 2015 1st/early 2nd Trade Hansen.................late 2015 2nd 7 Picks in a very strong 2015 first and second round.......... * Pick up a cheap UFA goalie for a year or 2 and buy a replacement Dman to replace Hamhuis in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asian player Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Vancouver's reason for doing this is Florida's exact reason for not doing this. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Why would Florida want to trade Barkov? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William_Clarkson Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Why would Florida want this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Hamhuis is a good defender, no doubt, but not so good it entices Florida to trade a top prospect and future #1 center in Barkov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Vancouver's reason for doing this is Florida's exact reason for not doing this. /thread Why would Florida want to trade Barkov? Why would Florida want this? Hamhuis is a good defender, no doubt, but not so good it entices Florida to trade a top prospect and future #1 center in Barkov. All this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 How much motivation do you have of moving of moving Horvat/Virtanen? If you want a potential #1 center you will probably have to draft that player yourself. Just check out out how many top draft picks have been moved over the years, you can count them on your hand. L. Schenn for JVR (5th overall for 2nd overall), B. Schenn(5th overall)+Simmonds for Richards and Nino for Clutterbuck. And thats pretty much it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakeNbake Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Barkov is a beast..Fl is building their team around him, Huberduea (sp?) and now Eckbland....he's not going anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex425 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 LOL we should add a 2nd round pick,Cassels and Tommernes just to make them consider, and they need to take out the second. No way Florida does that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Are you on drugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 How much motivation do you have of moving of moving Horvat/Virtanen? If you want a potential #1 center you will probably have to draft that player yourself. Just check out out how many top draft picks have been moved over the years, you can count them on your hand. L. Schenn for JVR (5th overall for 2nd overall), B. Schenn(5th overall)+Simmonds for Richards and Nino for Clutterbuck. And thats pretty much it. I get what your saying and I agree with you but.... in the last 10 years the following top 5 picks have been moved: Seguin, Turris, Hickey, (basically all picks 2-8 in 2007 were moved),, Staal, Kessel, Eric Johnson, Jack Johnson, Bobby Ryan, Pouliot, Barker, Ladd, Wheeler. That's over 25% of players drafted in the top 5 have been moved in the last 10 years. Ryan Johansen, Evander Kane, Nail Yakupov are all rumoured as well. But with that being said, were not getting Barkov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucker91 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Are you on drugs? +1 omg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted August 9, 2014 Author Share Posted August 9, 2014 Yes, I agree with all you. But you guys or at least most of CDC don't get it! I put out a Barkov for.......trade to illustrate how good and how rare a first line center is to find.......most say, well just draft that center! Ha! Just draft him......it is just not that easy, as is trading for one. Yet, there is a no Tank group, and a no trade Burrows group, etc.......ignorant or blind! Well the truth is, unless you are in the top 5 and probably top 3, you are just blowing in the wind and hoping to get lucky with even an early 6 to 10 overall pick.....most elite Centers come in the top 5 To get into that top 3 to 5 overall group, you either have to trade an elite player( Oh no, don't trade the Sedins!) or trade some front line player and your own early pick, then maybe you get somewhere near the top 3 to 5 picks......I don't think it gets you to pick number one, but within a couple! So to summerize: #1 Don't Tank #2 Don't trade the Sedin's #3 Don't trade Burrows or Hamhuis Simply, just draft him.......no luck involved!.............none at all! Sorry for the sarcasm! But I have to get my point out somehow.......you either make your own luck (like Bourke did), or wish and hope alot..............since 1999, how many elite or even just 1st line centers have you seen us pick? None since Hank.......how many before that? Trueth of the matter is, it isn't even that easy to draft second line players Point is out of the last 6 first rounders, we have maybe 1 first line player, and he is boom or bust! It is just not as easy as CDC thinks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted August 9, 2014 Author Share Posted August 9, 2014 Oh, yes....I forgot one.........develope one!.......Sent him to the minors and abbra ca da bra.........2 years later and he is an elite , first line center! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William_Clarkson Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Very few teams actually tank and it's really 50/50 if it works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted August 9, 2014 Author Share Posted August 9, 2014 Very few teams actually tank and it's really 50/50 if it works out. Funny you went with the Tank idea......... I actually think for the most part the Canucks are doing a great job since Benning took over. I probably only disagree with the concept that you don't trade vets. What I do suggest is that the Canucks get rid of the Burrows, Higgins, Lack, Hansens, Hamhuis, and probably Edler over the next couple of years and pick up assets for them while they have value, and then replace them with short term UFA's for the next couple years. Keeping enough Character to lead the rookies.......not for sake of tanking purposely, but to accumilate wealth(Picks), don't care if the UFA's make us contenders or not. You are right Tanking is a 50/50 proposition..........not tanking or rather staying middle of the pack, gives you much less chance....as pointed out in my last post....since 1999......how many elite centers have we picked? Zero! Out of the last 14 first round picks......in all honestly....50/50 sound much better.........one elite player every 2 years?????? Compared with Zero! Just to clarify, I do not advocate Tanking.......but when comparing the Canucks drafting........it does have an arguement....no mine, but........... Just sell off assets at the proper time...........2014-2015 is a good time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I get what your saying and I agree with you but.... in the last 10 years the following top 5 picks have been moved: Seguin, Turris, Hickey, (basically all picks 2-8 in 2007 were moved),, Staal, Kessel, Eric Johnson, Jack Johnson, Bobby Ryan, Pouliot, Barker, Ladd, Wheeler. That's over 25% of players drafted in the top 5 have been moved in the last 10 years. Ryan Johansen, Evander Kane, Nail Yakupov are all rumoured as well. But with that being said, were not getting Barkov. I should have been more clear in my post. I was talking about recent top 5 picks and less established players. I do concede that I did overlook Seguin and Turris. The point of my post was that no one moves a player drafted with a top 5 pick without knowing exactly what they have in that player. You could add Filatov to that list as well but he was a known bust as was Hickey. Seguin was moved because Boston thought they needed to capitalise on Chara's remaining years and chose a player who was established over one that was still young and still developing. Turris was moved because he wanted out. If you are drafting someone that high it is better to let them sink or swim rather than move them before they fulfill their potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dal Colle Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 I would much rather trade for Luongo rather than get Barkov since Barkov might cost a couple of our top prospects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALGARY! Posted August 9, 2014 Share Posted August 9, 2014 Yea I don't think Florida trades Barkov for that package. They have decent D and Eckblad has a high chance to become a top 10 d in the league, why do they need an aging Hamhuis, a prospect who no one really knows where his ceiling might be and a guy that happened to be a part of a trade in which Van fans overall don't seem to be to impressed with as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted August 9, 2014 Author Share Posted August 9, 2014 The point is that number one centers are very expensive........why?............because they are rare. They absolutely are found more often in the top 5 than in any other place. Matter of fact, in another post, a poster listed off 31 top centers, out of those, 18 were first round picks and out of those 18, I believe 13 or 14 were top 5 picks.......and that is since 1999 Maybe it is more fair to think that an young first line center is worth.......... 2015-early first round, Hamhuis, Bonino and Gaunce It is alot, but leaves the Canucks with only looking for that #1 PMD I must admit, it a lot to pay, and might not be enough............ I don't know, maybe it would be better to go after the defenseman first........... It certainly makes you wonder..........Luck vs Over payment?............LOL, maybe I should give Benning another year first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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