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Well, I am almost out of idea's on how to get extra picks for the 2015 draft. Being that we have been totally spoiled in the last couple of drafts, I wonder if it is possible to get more 1st and 2nds for the 2015 draft?

With rosters beginning to be full, I wonder exactly how much movement there will be through training camp, and at the trade deadline.

Will any of our expendable vets bring us a decent pick?

Would it be worth swapping our 2016 picks for 2015 picks? Would there be interest?

Does anyone have any ideas as to what we should do?

IF we could get an extra 1st, what would it cost?

I am not saying we should do anything, just trying to start a discussion on this point.

ANY IDEAS?

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I would love to have two firsts, but it will be tough to acquire another without giving up some good pieces. I'm kind of wondering if we aren't in it at the deadline, if someone like Edler might be put back on the market (if willing to accept a trade) and maybe could be packaged for a 1st rounder? At that point though we would be trading Edler to a contender and getting a pick in the 20s anyway, so probably not worth it... Just pitching ideas.

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I agree with has been said thus far,

It's all in our defense,

Hamhuis could get a first from a cup contender, Edler, Beiksa too. They would all be fairly late, but under the right conditions I think it could be done.

But none of these guys seem likely to waive.

Hamhuis seems most likely of the three, but waiving depends on where he's at in life and I don't know the guy.

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If Edler bounces back we could pull a late first + for him.

Hamhuis could pull a late first + as well.

Sedins aren't moving, and moving Virtanen or whoever for a first is redundant unless it's top ten.

So, I think the only chance is Edler.

Hamhuis could get a really nice package from a contender but I don't see any reason to trade him unless we have a repeat of last year.
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No one will give their 2015 1st for Edler, let alone Bieksa

Right know, you're right. But it can change if Edler picks up his game. If he returns to his form of the 2011-12 season, he can even get us a top 15 pick which would leave with probably 2 top 15 picks. That can really make our future promising.

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I don't really see a pressing need to stock up for an allegedly deep draft. Judging a draft to have been deep can only truly be determined years later.

I agree with you Ron on that point, but I think that with the current prospects being pretty strong, it would n't hurt to have that #1 center or PMD develope at or near the same time as the other prospects we have now. That is about it, really......rather see some condensing of picks in a strong year like this as well.

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So here is an explanation for my last comment. From what I have read, our prospects are ranked somewhere around 10th overall, My thinking would be that after next years draft, with out any additional picks we will probably be in around the same area.

So, with that being said and our 2015 picks being around 4th overall to 14th overall, just outside the playoffs and just outside the elite picks, which are slated to end somewhere around 10th or 11th.

We should consider how we could move up.......example......IF

If we end up around 4th pick overall, it will be too expensive to move up, being the strength of the draft. However, if we are just outside the cream of the first round, say 12th overall, then an additional pick could be added ( say a 2nd or 3rd rounder to move up 2 or 3 spots...this would be wise, by my account.

The same could be said, if we were to bring our 2016 first rounder into play, say again giving up an additional 2nd or 3rd along with that 2016 first rounder to obtain another earlier pick this year. Teams will do this trade if, what they are getting is help going into the playoffs.

So, players like Higgins, Hansen, Matthais, Lack and Burrows become very valuable pieces come deadline time.....

Some of you may disagree with this as a way to increase our talent level, but the players listed above can always be found in free agency.......and only become valuable at the deadline, because they can help push the bubble teams over and into the playoffs.

There is always risk, and my plan only is implemented when the option is presented.....maybe yes/ maybe no

But the option should never just be ignored

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Hamhuis could get a really nice package from a contender but I don't see any reason to trade him unless we have a repeat of last year.

I bet at the deadline a team looking to make a push to lock-up a playoff spot or make noise in the first round would over pay greatly for Bieksa at the deadline.

Interesting.......I was listening to Willie Mitchell on the radio the other day, and when asked if he had ever considered coming back to Vancouver, he said that the Canucks had never asked and that he considered us to have a fairly strong defense at this time.

Interesting coming from a ex LA King

The point being that maybe we can afford to loose one of our Dmen for a pick or young prospect.....much in the manner as I proposed in my last post

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Well, I am almost out of idea's on how to get extra picks for the 2015 draft. Being that we have been totally spoiled in the last couple of drafts, I wonder if it is possible to get more 1st and 2nds for the 2015 draft?

With rosters beginning to be full, I wonder exactly how much movement there will be through training camp, and at the trade deadline.

Will any of our expendable vets bring us a decent pick?

Would it be worth swapping our 2016 picks for 2015 picks? Would there be interest?

Does anyone have any ideas as to what we should do?

IF we could get an extra 1st, what would it cost?

I am not saying we should do anything, just trying to start a discussion on this point.

ANY IDEAS?

Some of the guys being mentioned have more value to the Canucks than they do to another team. This drops their value.

1.) I don't see any of the guys with NTC's stepping up and asking to be traded, so I don't view these guys as being in the expendable category. The players who can be freely traded (outside of guys like Tanev, Kassian etc) are not going to return a 1st.

2.) What kind of level of pick were you thinking of when you suggest a "decent" pick? :) I guess what I'm saying is, I don't expect these picks which could be gained for 2015 will be that high (assuming they could be had). As I see it, nobody who will be out of the playoffs are going to be interested in picking up some of the guys whose names are being mentioned from the Canucks. I'm also assuming that the addition of a player like some of those being mentioned, would result in an improvement in that team's final position for the season. This puts any picks which might be acquired as probably starting in the lower third of any given round.

I also don't see any team being that willing to trade away their first rounder (or maybe even their 2nd) in what is speculated as being such a deep draft, unless they believe there's a chance that they have a good shot at going all the way. And should they actually win the Cup then this drops the value of such picks even further (ie. 30th, 60th etc).

Even in a deep draft, how good is the 30th overall? Answer: it depends on who you draft.

3.) As noted above, I suspect that if the Canucks do manage to trade players for picks then what will be offered are 2016 picks (for anything 3rd and up?).

I don't see teams agreeing to trade 2015 first round picks for 2016 first round picks, unless the pick being given up by the other team is around 2015 25th overall or lower, and they are also getting something in addition to the Canucks pick (either additional picks or a decent prospect, or maybe even both).

So, in answer to your question:

I don't see anybody like Hansen or Higgins returning a 2015 pick. A fairly good 2016 pick (or a prospect) could likely be had for them.

Assuming the Canucks wanted to trade him, and he was willing to go, I could see Miller returning a 2015 1st, but only if the other team were really in dire need of a good goalie (eg. the odds on Cup winner has their goalie go out with an injury for the rest of the season, including the playoffs). This being said, I suspect that the pick would be conditional in some manner, such as 2015 or 2016 (their choice), and there would likely be additional assets (prospects) coming to the Canucks.

If one of Edler, Hamhuis or Bieksa decided they wanted out then they could possibly return a 2015 1st (and depending on which guy it was and the season he was having), and a fairly good quality prospect.

regards,

G.

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Send one of our Swedish goalies to Winnipeg along with some pieces to get their first, e.g. a third and a higher end prospect that just doesn't fit (Cassels, Stanton, Gaunce).

I'd like to think Detroit will come in for Elder if they are on the edge near the deadline.

If we were to have 3 top 15 picks, we would be in a very good position.

Sbisa, Bonino and Matthias come into play at the deadline.

Other teams to target include Nashville and Carolina.

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