vcrguy Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 So TSN is rating and talking about Chicago's 2014/15 chances today. In the chat boards below the article was one I had to cut and paste. It's so true because our team is scared of change and has let the team fall apart because of it. Here it is: To think a couple of seasons ago the Canucks were competing with this team.Now all Nuck fans can do is look at the hawk roster and cry... The reason this is true is because of good management. After Chicago won their first cup, they traded away Dustin Byfuglien, Ladd and Versteeg. Three players who would be on the top two lines of our current team and they've won a cup since...........change is necessary Benning, Linden, please take note of this and make the appropriate changes moving forward. Don't be like Gillis and hire sleep doctors, look at what Bowman and Holland do and mimick them please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 If Chicago could have kept those player, they probably would have. The issue was that they had no salary cap. They had to trade Brian Campbell and let Anti Niemi go as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Benning, Linden, please take note of this and make the appropriate changes moving forward. Don't be like Gillis and hire sleep doctors, look at what Bowman and Holland do and mimick them please. You hurt my brain. What do you think Linden and Benning have been so far? Also, hiring sleep doctors and building a team are two completely different things..... Lol. Thank God school starts in two days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 You hurt my brain. What do you think Linden and Benning have been so far? Also, hiring sleep doctors and building a team are two completely different things..... Lol. Thank God school starts in two days What? Oh the irony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 1. Hiring a sleep doctor has been nothing but beneficial. I fail to see how that is related in anyway. 2. Those players were traded because of cap concerns. I'm not saying they don't have good management, they obviously do. But that is a very poor example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcanucks Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 'hawks have been able to trade away players that played significant roles on their cup teams because they had organizational depth, which they continue to have. Canucks are moving the right direction with their organizational depth...IMO, the changes made this summer is a two-year stop gap to hold the team over until the young players are allowed to mature and step into playing meaningful roles in a couple of years. Gillis got the ball rolling with UFA signings (Tanev, Zalewski, Fox, Lack, Kenins, Lain, Eriksson), waiver pick ups (Stanton, Sestito), and draft picks (Horvat, Gaunce, Jensen, Shinkaruk, Corrado, Cassels, Beattie, Hutton, Subban) and Benning has added with the work that he's done so far. The Canucks are going to have to fight and scratch their way for a playoff spot for the next couple of seasons, but I see our team being a force to be reckoned with in a few years. Short term future is not so bright, but the long term future is very bright with organizational depth that is going to reach down to the fourth line and bottom d-pairing in Utica. At that time, the Canucks will be able to transition through players capable of playing significant roles from within by trading vets who have peak value in the trade market for decent draft picks and/or prospects, which will allow the team to stay fresh and contend for the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 It is sad how we used to compete with the Hawks and had a great rivalry with them for a few years. Now it's no competition, especially in terms of the success each team has had since '09. By the time the Canucks become elite again hopefully the Hawks are still good, I'd love to see that rivalry renewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 It is sad how we used to compete with the Hawks and had a great rivalry with them for a few years. Now it's no competition, especially in terms of the success each team has had since '09. By the time the Canucks become elite again hopefully the Hawks are still good, I'd love to see that rivalry renewed. The rivalry was really between the Hawks and Luongo, it came and went with Luongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheXFactor Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The Canuck's core was/is considerably older than Chicago's. Its no surprise really that they still contend for the cup while we're a borderline playoff team. We've made huge changes to the roster this off season too. Vrbata might completely change the way the 1st line looks. 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines look like nothing we had last season. Who knows, we might turn out to be good enough to be serious contenders this coming season. I mean COL was 2nd last in the entire league in 2012. Then they suddenly shot up to 3rd in the league the following season. No doubt the change in coaching had a lot to do with it. If they can do it why can't the Canucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The rivalry was really between the Hawks and Luongo, it came and went with Luongo. Also doesn't help that Hawks don't have Bolland or Byfuglien either. About the Hawks staying elite and us not, that's not surprising. We didn't suck for a decade and win a lottery... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Um, you can change the windowdressing of the roster, but one very important aspect to the winning window is the ability/age of your key players. The Sedins are now 33yrs old. The entered their war with the Hawks at age 27 Toews and Kane won their first cup when they were 20 and 21. They are now 25 and 26. So by the age the Sedins were ready to compete for the cup, Toews and Kane have already accomplished enough to be in the HOF. And they're not near done yet. This understates the importance of franchise players, YOUNG franchise players, in the cap era. The younger the franchise players, the longer the winning window, and the more affordable they will be during their winning window. I explained this as part of my How to Build a Good Hockey Team blog: http://forum.canucks.com/blog/751/entry-1850-how-to-build-a-good-hockey-team/ In the current era, you need to base a winning plan on your entry-level players. All winning teams in the cap era have had these types. The higher the cap, the more deep the entry-level types are in the lineup. Appropiately building the team takes this into account. Once a decent group of character prospects is selected in a few years of drafts, the draft should very well be 'capped off' by a superstar selection, preferably a franchise center or perhaps a quick franchise defenseman if that center is already there. Then the clock starts ticking on the winning window. It needs to be understood that the younger the superstar, the wider the window will be. Remember the Sedin window? Because it took them so long to hit their prime, that window was made fairly brief. And now the Canucks are heading into rebuild mode. That rebuild should be capped-off by a superstar draft selection. But the question is when? Now? Or years from now? Well, that's going to have to be decided by Linden and Benning, as they look over what prospects they have and plan for the future. Overall, it's way past time for the Canucks to stop chasing the shadows of greater franchises and instead start acting on a legit winning plan of their own. Let's hope this happens. Go Canucks Go! ps. The Canucks did make all sorts of windowdressing changes since 2011. Was this not noticed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 ya also the hawks sucked for a long time before they became a great team , suprising what being a horrible team can do for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The thing we need and we're getting is depth in the system. Not only the top 13 forwards but players in the AHL, if we were still a cup contender in the NHL we would have prospect depth aswell. Shinkaruk, Gaunce, Fox, Jensen all in the AHL, next year we'll have Horvat, Cassels and we also have Virtanen, McCann in the next couple of years. When our injuries hit in the SCF, our depth got weak, too many injuries hit but if we had a good AHL team with solid prospects who can step into our top 6 along with prospects who can step into our bottom 6 we could have won the series. The depth needed to be loaded, imagine being in the SCF next year and if a few injuries hit we would have Shinkaruk, Gaunce, Fox, Jensen for the top 6/middle 6 and in the bottom 6 we would have Archibald, Lain, Zalewski, Kenins, Mallet. That's something we need for this team. Only if we were good enough in the NHL we would have really good depth in the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2SKATES1STICK Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 It is sad how we used to compete with the Hawks and had a great rivalry with them for a few years. Now it's no competition, especially in terms of the success each team has had since '09. By the time the Canucks become elite again hopefully the Hawks are still good, I'd love to see that rivalry renewed. What's sad is how bad Chicago had to be to draft Toews and Kane, the only reason they won anything anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Sorry, spelling :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The rivalry was really between the Hawks and Luongo, it came and went with Luongo. Lol what? When we used to be good the Sedins would skate circles around their defense, Kesler, Raymond, and Samuelsson could keep up with the high paced action, and we had a third line that could throw hits and compete with the likes of Bolland and Byfuglien. Now what do we have? The aging Sedins, Kassian, Vrbata, and a couple of project prospects. I think it's safe to say that Luongo wasn't the deciding factor in our rivalry going down the toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjr Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Toews and Kane have already accomplished enough to be in the HOF. And they're not near done yet.One of the worst statements I have ever read on these boards.Do you even know who's in the Hall of Fame? Look at some of the players who have never made it in, and yet you think those two guys are shoo ins? I want to say more on this subject, but it will come across as mean and personal, so I will leave it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.DirtyDangles Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The rivalry was really between the Hawks and Luongo, it came and went with Luongo. Clearly you need a lesson in Canucks history. They have been our nemesis for a very long time. It all started here http://canucks.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=39589 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Clarkson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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