one-x Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 I know it's fairly early in the season, but this core of the Leafs doesn't have much to show for it's efforts since it was put together by Burke/Nonis. They got into the playoffs in the shortened season and blew it against Boston, but that's about it. The only players that they could get anything for are their top 6 guys (Kessel, Lupul, JVR etc.) or Gardiner and Reilly (who they don't seem interested in moving). With their D group being a joke (with the exception of maybe Morgan Reilly) and Bernier still with some potential to be a #1 goalie (maybe), is it time for the Leafs to sell and rebuild from the net out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The time for the Leafs to start the rebuild was 5 years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 They should have traded for Luongo But really its early in the season... and their Jersey sales must be through the roof with all the ones being accidentally lost on to the ice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The Leafs AND the Oilers. one has to think, if you look at both of their rosters, they have the pieces to trade that would make them both competitive in their respective conferences. Lupul, Gardiner and JVR would help the Oilers immensely, while Yakupov, Petry and Jones would help the Leafs. It's a shame they both have management that is to blind to actually do what needs to be done though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam13371337 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The Leafs are making cosmetic changes around a lineup that's simply not good enough. Add the Laffs choke factor and the TO media ; and you get expected results ^ Oilers on the other hand are an absolute disgrace to the NHL. Not only are they absolutely pathetic with their old school "old boys" only BFFs of Katz get jobs club. But their biggest offense is the way they are repeatedly ruining the careers of young blue chip prospects. Gretzky once called the Devils a Micky mouse franchise. how ironic that his Oilers have taken that spot now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The Leafs AND the Oilers. one has to think, if you look at both of their rosters, they have the pieces to trade that would make them both competitive in their respective conferences. Lupul, Gardiner and JVR would help the Oilers immensely, while Yakupov, Petry and Jones would help the Leafs. It's a shame they both have management that is to blind to actually do what needs to be done though What about a Hall for JVR swap? I think the Leafs would need to add a little more but it could be a great deal for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 No they'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 What about a Hall for JVR swap? I think the Leafs would need to add a little more but it could be a great deal for both teams. Because JVR will never be half the player Hall is honestly. If the Oilers lose Hall they need to relegate that club to the AHL as he's the ONLY pick out of the bunch working out and giving it everything he has every single game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The Leafs are a club in some serious trouble. In theory, trading away some of the pieces definitely works; in reality, though, trading away the pieces they need to trade away is near impossible. The three current roster players they cannot trade away at all are Kessel, JVR, and Reilly. While people like to rag on Kessel, the guy can score and his goals are needed (regardless how unreliable he is defensively). Add to the fact that his caphit is enormous, and you have a player that wouldn't net the return they would want anyway. As for JVR, the guy is a steal at his contract length and cap it, foolish to get rid of him. As for Reilly, that goes without saying. Otherwise, the players they absolutely need to move are Phaneuf and Clarkson, as those contracts are taking up valuable room. Also, because their contracts eat up a ton, they have to play top 9 and top 2 minutes, which isn't in the best interest for the club because their play does not warrant the spot they take up. However, the return they would get for moving either one would not be enough to improve the team, because any team taking on Clarkson's salary or Phaneuf's salary is, in essence, doing the Leafs a favour. Aside from Lups, the rest of their players wouldn't actually get them a good enough return to improve the team in the short term. Blowing up the team would mean tanking. While this is necessary, as the current roster is not good enough, I do not see MLSE allowing this to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 The problem for them, who are they going to trade? -No one would want Phaneuf or Clarkson's contracts. -Lupul and Kadri have question marks around them and wouldn't get enough in return to make it worth trading them. -All of their depth players wouldn't get much return, plus the Leafs don't have that great of a prospect pool to replace anyone. -No one needs a goalie so there goes Reimer (and if someone did need one, Brodeur and Bryzgalov are available) So that leaves just Kessel, Bozak, JVR, Rielly, and Gardiner. Their top line brings most of their offence, and Rielly seems to be unmoveable, so that leaves Gardiner, but they just signed him. I think the biggest problem there is coaching. Clearly Carlyle isn't getting through to most of the players, just look at how many of their players make the same mistakes each game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 i thought they already did.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KassianBeastMode Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Both teams make strong trading partners because they allow players to have a change of scenery. The problem is, neither team has what the other needs as they both need the same thing....Leadership. Edmonton is very young and needs vets, tons of talent but no guys who have done it, and they need not only one but 2-3 players who have been through the ups and downs and have at least come close to winning. Toronto, lacks a real leader. Phaneuf I think while respected for his effort in the room, isn't really seen a like a captain, and their offensive players aren't really 'leaders'...they just don't have a leadership committee like we do in Vancouver...this is something we have to really appreciate as Canucks fans... Often people here say 'gut our team' and go for McDavid, but Toronto and Edmonton are examples of what happens when you lack a real leadership group. Sedins/Burr/Higgy/Hammer/Bieksa and others have been to a cup final, they have battled through the demons of Chicago, felt the sting of falling from the best to one of the worst and trying to fight back....Those lessons will help Bo, Tanev, Jensen, Shink, Corrado, Lack, etc etc...that mental part, that fight it takes when behind, when fighting for a spot, when fighting in a playoff series is invaluable... Both Edmonton and Toronto have a mess leadership wise and while moving players to different cities may help short term, it won't solve their respective problems - we should be thankful thats not something we lack...and it will only help us not end up like those teams inthe future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown33429 Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 One of those teams might have a good shot for Connor or Jack. That could turn their fortunes around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honeydew Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 If EDM had 1st overalls 1x 3rd overall and it didn't help them what makes you think either Connor or Jack is going to help them? EDM desperately needs veteran leadership on their team otherwise they're going to be tanking this season again. Total joke of an organization IMO letting these young kids ruin their careers without having a mentor. Ryan Smythe was a good mentor before he retired, they need someone like Smythe to get these kids going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 No they'll be fine. Priceless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 Or, as the Maharishi elegantly stated, "Time is merely a concept, by which we measure eternity". Sorry devoted Leafers, but there is no future, merely an horrific past, being replayed over & over (at prime-time, no less). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2SKATES1STICK Posted October 21, 2014 Share Posted October 21, 2014 So obvious they're going for eichel or mcdavid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcrguy Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I'd much rather be a Leaf fan than a Canuck fan right now. The Leafs chose to rebuild some years back. Their future is bright and some of their young talent (Kadri, Reilly) actually play in real games. The Canucks decided to trade away all their goalies and find 9 third line players. They claim how they have such good prospects but they traded away Cody, Schroeder and they won't put Horvat or Shinkaruk into the line up. So where is this young talent even though half the team are a bunch of plugs and young talent should easily crack that core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I love how on the main page it's: Time for the Leafs to blow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 the east is wide open for them to make the playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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