[Proposal] VAN-CAL

[DownUndaCanuck]

I know teams rarely trade inter-divisionally, but we did make a blockbuster move to Anaheim and this trade would help both teams out tremendously now and in the future.

Calgary need a young goaltender. Hiller's playing well now, but he's 32 and isn't going to keep it up. They're a team built to win right now and in the next 3-5 seasons, which is very similar to the Canucks. They've got good, middle aged defencemen who are producing more offence than any other in the league. They're very deep down the middle, which is what the Canucks need a bit more of, and with Granlund, Monahan, Backlund and Bennett all in the mix as potential top-2 if not top-1 centers, they're going to have to move at least one of them. I say we get the communications going with Calgary and try to make any one of these 3 deals for a future top center.

TO VAN: Markus Granlund and a 3rd round pick

TO CAL: Markstrom and Shinkaruk

Gralund may be a bit small, but he's put up solid AHL numbers and is currently around a point per game in the NHL and has played well in his own zone too. Great pedigree, he can be a solid two way center in the future, but a 80+ point guy at the same time if he pans out well.

TO VAN: Sean Monahan

TO CAL: Markstrom, Shinkaruk and a 2nd round pick or late 1st rounder

Monahan may be the hardest to pry off the Flames and isn't the most attractive of the 3, but he's got future star quality capabilities and would cost us a lot more.

TO VAN: Sam Bennett

TO CAL: Markstrom and maybe a 2nd round pick too

Unproven so far so not worth as much.

The way I see it, Calgary have Granlund (21, playing their 2nd line center role), Monahan (20, playing their first line), Bennett (a teenager still maybe a year or two off the NHL) as well as Jooris and Byron who are playing very solid 3rd line minutes, not to mention Hudler who's also a center playing on their first line. The Flames are absolutely stacked at center, with guys all around the same age playing the same role.

The Canucks are stacked in net with guys around the same-ish age. The Canucks need a young future top line center. The Flames need a young goalie to take the reins from Hiller.

Say we made the trade for Granlund (most likely of the deals considering how he's playing under Monahan and will soon be replaced by Bennett). Here's our lineup in 3-5 years time:

Jensen - Granlund - Virtanen

Bonino - Horvat - Kassian

Sedin - Sedin - Vey

UFA - Gaunce - Burrows

[-Vintage Canuck-]

They're very deep down the middle, which is what the Canucks need a bit more of,

Really?

Henrik Sedin

Nick Bonino

Brad Richardson

Shawn Matthias

Linden Vey

Bo Horvat

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Brendan Gaunce

Cole Cassels

Jared McCann

[Tom Sestito]

Monahan and Bennett for pieces?

Flames fans around the world counter with Gillies, a 2nd, Poirier, and Ortio, and maybe a second for Virtanen and Horvat.

[Pears]

In his prime Shinkaruk will be in another atmosphere than Granlund, like we get destroyed in that trade. Matter of fact all trades are terrible and aren't even remotely fair for at least one team.

[Canucks1219]

I know teams rarely trade inter-divisionally, but we did make a blockbuster move to Anaheim and this trade would help both teams out tremendously now and in the future.

Calgary need a young goaltender. Hiller's playing well now, but he's 32 and isn't going to keep it up. They're a team built to win right now and in the next 3-5 seasons, which is very similar to the Canucks. They've got good, middle aged defencemen who are producing more offence than any other in the league. They're very deep down the middle, which is what the Canucks need a bit more of, and with Granlund, Monahan, Backlund and Bennett all in the mix as potential top-2 if not top-1 centers, they're going to have to move at least one of them. I say we get the communications going with Calgary and try to make any one of these 3 deals for a future top center.

TO VAN: Markus Granlund and a 3rd round pick

TO CAL: Markstrom and Shinkaruk

Gralund may be a bit small, but he's put up solid AHL numbers and is currently around a point per game in the NHL and has played well in his own zone too. Great pedigree, he can be a solid two way center in the future, but a 80+ point guy at the same time if he pans out well.

TO VAN: Sean Monahan

TO CAL: Markstrom, Shinkaruk and a 2nd round pick or late 1st rounder

Monahan may be the hardest to pry off the Flames and isn't the most attractive of the 3, but he's got future star quality capabilities and would cost us a lot more.

TO VAN: Sam Bennett

TO CAL: Markstrom and maybe a 2nd round pick too

Unproven so far so not worth as much.

The way I see it, Calgary have Granlund (21, playing their 2nd line center role), Monahan (20, playing their first line), Bennett (a teenager still maybe a year or two off the NHL) as well as Jooris and Byron who are playing very solid 3rd line minutes, not to mention Hudler who's also a center playing on their first line. The Flames are absolutely stacked at center, with guys all around the same age playing the same role.

The Canucks are stacked in net with guys around the same-ish age. The Canucks need a young future top line center. The Flames need a young goalie to take the reins from Hiller.

Say we made the trade for Granlund (most likely of the deals considering how he's playing under Monahan and will soon be replaced by Bennett). Here's our lineup in 3-5 years time:

Jensen - Granlund - Virtanen

Bonino - Horvat - Kassian

Sedin - Sedin - Vey

UFA - Gaunce - Burrows

To flip the tables, the only thing Jacob Markstrom has proved so far is that he is currently a top-AHL goaltender and subpar NHL goaltender.

[Ryan Strome]

Wow. Very bad proposals.

[William_Clarkson]

TO VAN: Sam Bennett

TO CAL: Markstrom and maybe a 2nd round pick too

They're all bad, but I'd say this one takes the cake...

[Warhippy]

Monahan and Bennett for pieces?

Flames fans around the world counter with Gillies, a 2nd, Poirier, and Ortio, and maybe a second for Virtanen and Horvat.

Virtanen Horvat AND Tryamkin

[tyhee]

To flip the tables, the only thing Jacob Markstrom has proved so far is that he is currently a top-AHL goaltender and subpar NHL goaltender.

Perhaps I'm picking nits, but in what way has Markstrom proven that is currently a subpar NHL goaltender? He arrived in Vancouver with poor technique, worked extensively with Rollie Melanson who was high on him, got hidden by the Canucks so they could sneak him out on waivers, and has done more than anyone could possibly expect in the AHL this year.

I"m not saying he's proven he can play in the NHL-just that one can't know that he is currently subpar as an NHL goaltender.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

Markus granlund is not anywhere close to an 80 point player and your ready to trade Shinkaruk and Markstrom for him.

Flames would laugh and run with that deal.

You mixing him up with his brother Mikael, you know that was drafted 9th overall and is on a finish postage stamp.

[Canucks1219]

Perhaps I'm picking nits, but in what way has Markstrom proven that is currently a subpar NHL goaltender? He arrived in Vancouver with poor technique, worked extensively with Rollie Melanson who was high on him, got hidden by the Canucks so they could sneak him out on waivers, and has done more than anyone could possibly expect in the AHL this year.

I"m not saying he's proven he can play in the NHL-just that one can't know that he is currently subpar as an NHL goaltender.

Yeah, admittedly it wasn't a great example and I should have expanded on it. My point is that Markstrom has subpar NHL numbers (right now). Regardless of why, he just does. However, Markstrom has good "potential" to be a solid NHL goaltender. But if you can put a value to Markstrom's "potential" it's only fair to do the same for Sam Bennett -- who I think has massive potential. For that reason I think Bennett is worth much more than (current) Markstrom and a 2nd.

[canucks.brad]

seriously...

[2SKATES1STICK]

wow.

[Ryan Strome]

Markus granlund is not anywhere close to an 80 point player and your ready to trade Shinkaruk and Markstrom for him.

Flames would laugh and run with that deal.

You mixing him up with his brother Mikael, you know that was drafted 9th overall and is on a finish postage stamp.

Well this post should make warhippy happy.

Just because Mikael was taken 9th overall doesn't necessarily mean he will be a better player. I agree with you that calling Markus a 80 point guy atm is kinda ridiculous, however early on he is on a point per game pace something his brother didn't achieve. Furthermore through the same amount of games to start their careers Markus has been the better Granlund. I'm not sure how much you have or if you have ever watched him play but he does look like a very good player, again early in his career though.

[Ryan Strome]

In his prime Shinkaruk will be in another atmosphere than Granlund, like we get destroyed in that trade. Matter of fact all trades are terrible and aren't even remotely fair for at least one team.

I will admit I'm a pretty big shink homer but I'm not sure I agree with you about your Granlund/Shink assessment. I've noticed over a period of time you constantly knock flames prospects. I recall you said Horvat would be better then Monahan this past off season, you also claimed Johnny hockey wasn't very good and would never make it in the Nhl now this comment. To be honest at the moment I would say you're wrong on all fronts.

[asian player]

I'm not even sure this would work in NHL 15

[ForsbergTheGreat]

Well this post should make warhippy happy.

Just because Mikael was taken 9th overall doesn't necessarily mean he will be a better player. I agree with you that calling Markus a 80 point guy atm is kinda ridiculous, however early on he is on a point per game pace something his brother didn't achieve. Furthermore through the same amount of games to start their careers Markus has been the better Granlund. I'm not sure how much you have or if you have ever watched him play but he does look like a very good player, again early in his career though.

Being a season ticket holder in calgary I see flame a lot. And even a flames fans wouldn't believe Markus is better than Mikael, Markus didn't even crack the flames roster this year and finally got the call up do to stajan being hurt.

He's done ok in his short stints with the big club but so did baertschi for a while, and at the moment this year most of the flames are having good years. Is brodie an 80 point defence? could Gio really be an 85 point player?

It also doesn't have to do with where he was picked in the draft but that does effect the pedigree people view the player. Markus never had the pedigree that his brother had. As mention Mikael is his countries hero. The next coming of teemu.

Being around flames fan they would hope to see his potential to become a 3rd line center that can put up 30-40. I wouldn't even consider trading shinkaruk for granlund alone.

[Ryan Strome]

Being a season ticket holder in calgary I see flame a lot. And even a flames fans wouldn't believe Markus is better than Mikael, Markus didn't even crack the flames roster this year and finally got the call up do to stajan being hurt.

He's done ok in his short stints with the big club but so did baertschi for a while, and at the moment this year most of the flames are having good years. Is brodie an 80 point defence? could Gio really be an 85 point player?

It also doesn't have to do with where he was picked in the draft but that does effect the pedigree people view the player. Markus never had the pedigree that his brother had. As mention Mikael is his countries hero. The next coming of teemu.

Being around flames fan they would hope to see his potential to become a 3rd line center that can put up 30-40. I wouldn't even consider trading shinkaruk for granlund alone.

Well your post in my opinion is not accurate at all with how flames fans feel, at least not with the folks I have spoken to. Most here are very impressed with him and 960 hasn't shut up about him while on his ppg pace during his first 9 games.

As for your gio and tj comparisons, well I'm sorry they're just stupid imo as you can say that about so many players10-20 games in.

I simply just pointed out to you Markus has had better start to his career then his brother, hell this season he is better then his brother. He has the same amount of points in half the games.

[bp79]

wow you continue to show how little you actually know about the nucks or hockey for that matter. iv'e read a lot of ur posts but this one takes the cake. Were not deep down the middle? That and the flames are built to win now pretty much forced me to be a dick and rant. I usually try to be positive but sure the flames are a great story so far, but I will be shocked if they continue to keep this up. They really havent had the toughest of schedules except for a lot of road games but they have feasted on weak eastern teams and often face teams backup goalies. They also don't have great possesion numbers and a lot of there players have unsustainable shooting percentages. As for anything you say about the nucks i ignore as you are on record as saying ehlers and nylander are better then any prospect we have. Hows ehlers doing without his buddy drouin?

[ice orca]

Downunda is still pissed that the Canucks took Virtanen over Nylander, so off to the next best Swedish center according to him. Figures he's a number 1c to boot lol.