Caboose Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 DISCLAIMER: I AM A LEAFS FAN AND MAY OVERVALUE SOME PLAYERS, SUE ME! (just kidding, please let me know where this needs work) To Arizona: Nazem Kadri To Toronto: Antoine Vermette Connor Murphy The Coyotes have a glut of NHL defenders on their team, and no real scoring threats. Kadri has been cold to start the year but has played great hockey and the points will come. Vermette is a solid piece but at 32 years old doesn't fit in with the Coyotes younger team. To Edmonton: Dion Phaneuf To Toronto: David Perron Matt Hendricks EDM 2015 3rd Perron hasn't been great this season, and the Oilers certainly could benefit from bringing in a player of Phaneuf's calibre. Hendricks is a decent depth piece and helps keep the salary closer. To Nashville: Joffrey Lupul Jake Gardiner To Toronto: Roman Josi The Predators depth on the wing is not great and definitely could use a guy as good as Lupul. He has had injury problems but is still one hell of a player, IMO. They can pull the trigger on this because of their stable of talented defencemen, although giving up Josi is a tough one to swallow for them. (I'm not sure if this move could work from their perspective, to be honest). I would retain salary to get this through if needed Healthy Lineup: James Van Riemsdyk - Tyler Bozak - Phil Kessel David Perron - Antoine Vermette - Mike Santorelli Leo Komarov - Peter Holland - David Clarkson Daniel Winnik - Matt Hendricks - David Booth Richard Panik Roman Josi - Stephane Robidas Morgan Rielly - Connor Murphy Roman Polak - Cody Franson Jonathan Bernier James Reimer IMO a lot more balance through this lineup, and gives us some salary cap space to work with down the road. Vermette can IMO replace the presence we lost with Grabovski and hopefully Perron can pick up Lupul's goal scoring acumen. I don't see anything wrong with the 1st line this year and I think they need to stay together if we're to have any kind of success. The defence has a lot of potential but still needs work. Definitely a place that can be addressed in free agency. Thoughts? Opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Arizona deal is dead on. Perfect value for both teams. Leafs get leadership and a ton of weapons from Vermette and a young dman who if developed right can become useful. Oilers deal is close but don't see Edmonton giving a pick, especially a 3rd, especially in this years draft, and especially with that huge contract of Dion's. Honestly am not sure Oilers would even want Dion since their team is so discombulated, Dion wouldn't make things much better. If Edmonton did want him however, Leafs would be lucky to get Perron & Hendricks. Nashville deal I don't see happening. Preds forwards have been excellent and they have a lot of depth there. Last thing they'd want is a glass player like Lupul and though he's good when healthy, still doubt it. And don't see the Preda trading Josi at all. As great as the Preds are at developing dmen, I don't even think they can help shape Jake's porous defense game. Him & Josi are polar opposites and Preds are relying heavily on Josi with Suter gone and he has a steal of a contract throughout his prime years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 These have managed to do the job for years: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vantbl Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Good proposal. I don't think you will be able to get josi but there are other options for defenseman. I think if you package Phaneuf with a 2 round pick you will be able to get Eberle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2SKATES1STICK Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Legit trades. Overpayment to get what you want. Too bad Phaneuf isn't worth more, but that contract is crazy. Josi is legit, Nashville wouldn't wanna give him up, but for a legit top 6 sniper and a D with upside they may. Dunno if AZ wants to get even lighter down the middle considering they have the ongoing gagner experiment too First proposal that doesnt make me cringe in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I don't think they give up Josi for JVR They're really high on him and Weber together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 I don't think they give up Josi for JVR They're really high on him and Weber together That's what I'm worried about. There are tons of options for D men out there, but Nashville makes the most sense as they have room and need for Lupul. I think the Blue Jackets could use a winger too, but would they part with Jack Johnson or James Wisniewski? Doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Vermette for Kadri isn't enough but not sure the difference is Murphy, he's looking legit. Pretty close though. Maybe add a mid-to-high pick from PHX's side and trade Finn/Verhaege going back to even it out. Phaneuf deal is fair but not sure EDM gives up that package for him and not a center. I think Phanuef could get a similar package from another team interested in him though. Value for Josi isn't bad but he's signed on a fantastic deal and he's Nashville best left-sided guy by far. Nashville declines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 What if Vermette just walks at the end of the season? I believe he is in the final year of his Contract. Edit: Perhaps a conditional pick going to TO from Arizona? A conditional 2nd if Vermette doesn't re-sign or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockhart Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I don't think Phaneuf has much trade value because of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedkid666 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Pick up Tiger Woods because the leafs golf season is where it counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 DISCLAIMER: I AM A LEAFS FAN AND MAY OVERVALUE SOME PLAYERS, SUE ME! (just kidding, please let me know where this needs work) To Arizona: Nazem Kadri To Toronto: Antoine Vermette Connor Murphy The Coyotes have a glut of NHL defenders on their team, and no real scoring threats. Kadri has been cold to start the year but has played great hockey and the points will come. Vermette is a solid piece but at 32 years old doesn't fit in with the Coyotes younger team. To Edmonton: Dion Phaneuf To Toronto: David Perron Matt Hendricks EDM 2015 3rd Perron hasn't been great this season, and the Oilers certainly could benefit from bringing in a player of Phaneuf's calibre. Hendricks is a decent depth piece and helps keep the salary closer. To Nashville: Joffrey Lupul Jake Gardiner To Toronto: Roman Josi The Predators depth on the wing is not great and definitely could use a guy as good as Lupul. He has had injury problems but is still one hell of a player, IMO. They can pull the trigger on this because of their stable of talented defencemen, although giving up Josi is a tough one to swallow for them. (I'm not sure if this move could work from their perspective, to be honest). I would retain salary to get this through if needed Healthy Lineup: James Van Riemsdyk - Tyler Bozak - Phil Kessel David Perron - Antoine Vermette - Mike Santorelli Leo Komarov - Peter Holland - David Clarkson Daniel Winnik - Matt Hendricks - David Booth Richard Panik Roman Josi - Stephane Robidas Morgan Rielly - Connor Murphy Roman Polak - Cody Franson Jonathan Bernier James Reimer IMO a lot more balance through this lineup, and gives us some salary cap space to work with down the road. Vermette can IMO replace the presence we lost with Grabovski and hopefully Perron can pick up Lupul's goal scoring acumen. I don't see anything wrong with the 1st line this year and I think they need to stay together if we're to have any kind of success. The defence has a lot of potential but still needs work. Definitely a place that can be addressed in free agency. Thoughts? Opinions? Commendable proposals. ie not asking for Josi with shat on a stick like so many CDC proposals. Much improved D! Improved overall as well with character players. But enough? Is that enough firepower behind the top line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 If I were the Leafs I would trade everyone on the roster except for JVR, Rielly, Kadri, Gardiner, Holland, Percy, and 1 of Reimer/Bernier. They need to rebuild properly. Kessel for Despres+Dumoulin+1st+2nd Lupul for a 2nd Bozak for a 2nd Phaneuf for a 2nd Franson for a 2nd Santorelli for a 3rd Winnik for a 4th JVR, Rielly, Kadri, Gardiner, Holland, Percy, Bernier/Reimer, Nylander, Gauthier, Leivo, Finn, A. Johnson, Bibeau, Brown, Verhaege, Carrick, Kozun, Despres, Dumoulin, Granberg, Loov, Valiev And whoever they draft this year (likely will be a top 5 pick without Kessel, Phaneuf, Bozak, Lupul, Franson, etc.) Plus all the depth picks they get. That would be a solid foundation. JVR-XXX-Brown Holland-Kadri-Johnson Verhaege-Gauthier-Leivo XXX-Carrick-Kozun Reilly-Despres Gardiner-Percy XXX-XXX Bernier/Reimer Bibeau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 To Arizona: Nazem Kadri To Toronto: Antoine Vermette Connor Murphy The Coyotes have a glut of NHL defenders on their team, and no real scoring threats. Kadri has been cold to start the year but has played great hockey and the points will come. Vermette is a solid piece but at 32 years old doesn't fit in with the Coyotes younger team. To Edmonton: Dion Phaneuf To Toronto: David Perron Matt Hendricks EDM 2015 3rd Perron hasn't been great this season, and the Oilers certainly could benefit from bringing in a player of Phaneuf's calibre. Hendricks is a decent depth piece and helps keep the salary closer. To Nashville: Joffrey Lupul Jake Gardiner To Toronto: Roman Josi The Predators depth on the wing is not great and definitely could use a guy as good as Lupul. He has had injury problems but is still one hell of a player, IMO. They can pull the trigger on this because of their stable of talented defencemen, although giving up Josi is a tough one to swallow for them. (I'm not sure if this move could work from their perspective, to be honest). I would retain salary to get this through if needed Healthy Lineup: James Van Riemsdyk - Tyler Bozak - Phil Kessel David Perron - Antoine Vermette - Mike Santorelli Leo Komarov - Peter Holland - David Clarkson Daniel Winnik - Matt Hendricks - David Booth Richard Panik Roman Josi - Stephane Robidas Morgan Rielly - Connor Murphy Roman Polak - Cody Franson Jonathan Bernier James Reimer Arizona: The problem with acquiring Vermette for TOR is that he is a pending UFA turning 33 next year. This will likely be his final "big" contract, so he'll be either looking to cash in (trouble for TOR who already have overpaid players locked up long-term) or taking a pay-cut to join a contender. I'm not convinced that the Leafs could hold on to Vermette past this season without overpaying if they make a trade for him. The problem with Kadri for ARI is that I'm not sure if he's a Dave Tippett-type player - in fact, I'm sure of it that he is not. His defensive game is very suspect and at times lazy. That is not going to fly well with Tippett who focuses on the details and demands that all his players buy in. Kadri's offensive upside is not high enough to get some leeway with Tippett at this point. As a guy struggling in the East to score and defend, I question whether Kadri could perform in the bigger and stronger West against the likes of Kopitar, Carter, Getzlaf, Kesler, Thornton, Benn, Backes, Henrik Sedin etc. Even though young and skilled, I'm not sure if there is enough there for ARI to consider taking Kadri - especially when you are talking about them having to add a 21-year-old 6'4" 200+lb NHL defenseman. I'm not convinced that Murphy would be a good pickup for TOR either because he is too young and inexperienced. I think TOR is missing veteran cornerstones for stability and leadership, not young talent. Edmonton: Perron hasn't had a great season, but Phaneuf hasn't either at his price tag. That being said, EDM desperately needs a top 4 defenseman. This could be a good trade for both teams. Getting rid of Phaneuf is a huge plus for TOR in my opinion (to build a new leadership group), so getting anything with a possibility of having any positive impact (like Perron) is a bonus. The main obstacle to this trade would be Dion's limited NTC. There is close to 0% chance that he would select EDM as one of twelve teams that he would be willing to waive for. Nashville: NSH is "weak" at wing right now but they also have 8 centers in their lineup, with some playing wing and having a lot of success (see, Filip Forsberg). I don't see why a team with a chance to re-take the #1 spot in the Central Division would feel the need to trade their top-pairing defenseman. Gardiner is too unreliable in his own zone in comparison to Josi. The offense Lupul provides is quite frankly, not needed. Josi means more to NSH than Gardiner and Lupul do combined. Healthy Lineup: Whatever it looks like, I think one thing is clear - Dion has to go. If a team is willing to pay the price for Kessel, I'd try to move him too. TOR has some nice young talent in their system as well as their roster - JVR, Kadri, Holland, Nylander, Rielly, Gardiner, Percy, Bernier, etc - these are more than enough young talent to supplant a solid leadership group into the playoffs. Unfortunately, this is where the Leafs fall short IMO - they do not have a solid leadership group. For example, Vancouver does have a solid leadership group of the Sedins, Burrows, Bieksa, Hamhuis and Edler. These guys come to the rink everyday and work hard and set examples for the young guys to follow. The problem in our last few years, was that we didn't have any young talent. Now that we do after having added some depth, the team is looking great. I think Toronto has a stronger core of young players, but those who are supposed to lead them by example are not stable role models. Kessel and Phaneuf are not leaders. Leadership comes from the top, and with these two at the helm, I don't care how many trades you make around them, the team is not going to go anywhere. In my opinion, Toronto needs to add heart and soul veteran leaders (preferably a top 4 defender and a top 6 center) to replace Phaneuf and Kessel. Anything else of value you can get out of trading these two would be an added bonus to the addition by subtraction the team had just performed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share Posted November 25, 2014 If I were the Leafs I would trade everyone on the roster except for JVR, Rielly, Kadri, Gardiner, Holland, Percy, and 1 of Reimer/Bernier. They need to rebuild properly. Kessel for Despres+Dumoulin+1st+2nd Lupul for a 2nd Bozak for a 2nd Phaneuf for a 2nd Franson for a 2nd Santorelli for a 3rd Winnik for a 4th JVR, Rielly, Kadri, Gardiner, Holland, Percy, Bernier/Reimer, Nylander, Gauthier, Leivo, Finn, A. Johnson, Bibeau, Brown, Verhaege, Carrick, Kozun, Despres, Dumoulin, Granberg, Loov, Valiev And whoever they draft this year (likely will be a top 5 pick without Kessel, Phaneuf, Bozak, Lupul, Franson, etc.) Plus all the depth picks they get. That would be a solid foundation. JVR-XXX-Brown Holland-Kadri-Johnson Verhaege-Gauthier-Leivo XXX-Carrick-Kozun Reilly-Despres Gardiner-Percy XXX-XXX Bernier/Reimer Bibeau Definitely a huge hell no. Leafs get wrecked in every one of these deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Definitely a huge hell no. Leafs get wrecked in every one of these deals. What are you expecting for those players then? You're definitely not getting a guy like Roman Josi for any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 only coyote one is fair others wont happen ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 If Vermette re-signs with the Leafs it's a fine deal. Although if he doesn't then it's Nazem Kadri for Connor Murphy. Would look absolutely brutal for the Leafs. Oilers trade is pretty close too but I don't think Nashville will trade Josi anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddhahoodlum Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 What does this have to do with the Canucks exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted November 29, 2014 Author Share Posted November 29, 2014 What does this have to do with the Canucks exactly? excellent contribution, glad you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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