tyhee Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I thought folks might get a charge out of the title of this article which is "Leafs Postgame: Leafs Overcome West Coast Ref Bias, win 4-3" http://theleafsnation.com/2014/12/14/leafs-postgame-leafs-overcome-west-coast-ref-bias-win-4-3 Not too many on CDC realized the Canucks are beneficiaries of referee bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 There is no bias anywhere in the NHL. The refereeing is just bad across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALGARY! Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 No one team is susceptible more then any other to poor calls at any time. Refs are human too, they make mistaks, or miss things. IT happens equally to all teams. I can't think of a single game Ive watched between any 2 teams in the league where I don't find myself saying something like, "thats an offside" or "thats a penalty" or "weak call". Happens to every team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Well that's rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Not that I'm one of the conspiracy theory/tin foil hat believers that think the world is against the Canucks and their fans, but can people creating threads at least put a little bit of the article in the link they're posting so people can read it rather than blindly clicking random links? Is that too much to ask? EDIT: I understand I risk being unpopular with these posts, so don't bother replying specifically to this and derailing the topic. There's a reason why OP's are required to do so, one of which is for people checking in on CDC from work who can't open all links (and shouldn't open anything that might trip their work's blacklist filters). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Please post the article details not just a link to it. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 If the general public keeps treating officials like yesterdays garbage...how do you ever expect the officiating to improve? Who in their right mind wants to officiate any sports at all? You rarely ever hear a young guy saying they want to be a referee or an ump or whatever because they likely tried in the youth ranks and were harrassed off the playing field by parents, coaches and fans. It's an unenviable job but the quality of officiating is never going to improve with the constant scrutiny on top of multiple camera angles and hundreds of replays criticizing every single call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 If the general public keeps treating officials like yesterdays garbage...how do you ever expect the officiating to improve? Who in their right mind wants to officiate any sports at all? You rarely ever hear a young guy saying they want to be a referee or an ump or whatever because they likely tried in the youth ranks and were harrassed off the playing field by parents, coaches and fans. It's an unenviable job but the quality of officiating is never going to improve with the constant scrutiny on top of multiple camera angles and hundreds of replays criticizing every single call. They are not victims here...in any job if you do a lousy job you can expect that people will complain. It's not a reason NOT to (speak out against inconsistency)...because you'll scare people away? If some are weeded out through that process and are frightened away by the threat of accountability then they likely would have done a poor job anyhow. There are refs treating the game like garbage so why should that be ignored and they be allowed to continue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 If the general public keeps treating officials like yesterdays garbage...how do you ever expect the officiating to improve? Who in their right mind wants to officiate any sports at all? You rarely ever hear a young guy saying they want to be a referee or an ump or whatever because they likely tried in the youth ranks and were harrassed off the playing field by parents, coaches and fans. It's an unenviable job but the quality of officiating is never going to improve with the constant scrutiny on top of multiple camera angles and hundreds of replays criticizing every single call. To a degree you're right, the refs are simply acting upon discretionary calls they are allowed to make. There is a far bigger underlying problem with the fact that they're able to make these calls without any kind of check to that authority. This points more to the league than refs specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALGARY! Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 People will always hate refs, because no matter what call they make, its always gonna hurt one team, so the fans of whichever team the call negatively effects will no doubt be upset. That will never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Are people honestly calling the Williams goal "questionable"? I suppose it is..... ...if one is completely unaware of the rules. The play would only have been whistled dead had a Leaf player been the next one to touch the puck, after Gardiner played it with a high stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 They are not victims here...in any job if you do a lousy job you can expect that people will complain. It's not a reason NOT to (speak out against inconsistency)...because you'll scare people away? If some are weeded out through that process and are frightened away by the threat of accountability then they likely would have done a poor job anyhow. There are refs treating the game like garbage so why should that be ignored and they be allowed to continue? How does anyone know that the refs are not held accountable? Because it's not talked about publicly? If it was talked about publicly, it would be really bad form and would drive even more potential referees away from the game. This is one area I believe the league handles internally and it should stay like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycho_Path Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Actually I was watching Bettman's response to the BOG meetings and he mentioned something about ref accountability, so it does exist apparently. I'm thinking they get held accountable when they don't ref the way the leadership wants them to though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 How does anyone know that the refs are not held accountable? Kelly Sutherland's continued employment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 Please post the article details not just a link to it. Thanks. Could you please tell me why that would not be breaking the law by publishing copyrighted material? t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckNORRIS4Cup Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I swear ever since 1994 it feels like the Canucks have been consistently screwed by refs. I understand the reffing is very inconsistent through out the league, but it feels like the Canucks are always up against the refs a lot of the time. Feels like they have to work that much harder to try and get a win in a game, and that's just not this year or anything this is something that has been happening for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I think ref bias exists but it's more noticeable in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I think ref bias exists but it's more noticeable in the playoffs. As evidenced in the Sharks series two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheXFactor Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I have a few friends from NYC (Rangers fans) and even they've admitted that in the Canucks games they've watched, refs seem to be against us more often then not. They said (and I agree) that it has a lot to do with Burrows having a bad rep, and Bieksa who is apparently not well-liked around the league. Actually i'm more inclined to say that the league and the refs favor the Original 6 teams. I rarely ever see any bias against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Like all the other professional sports leagues, NHL games are managed. It's obvious by the timing of the calls in relation to the score or the importance of the outcome of the game to the league. I won't go to the point of conspiracy, but if a certain outcome is more desirable (to sell the "game"/increase viewership/please the networks) everyone knows the desired outcome. Including the league's officials. Further, officials are human and like some teams/players/coaches more than others. Unfortunatley, the Canucks have not been liked by the officials for a while. And the Canucks don't need the leagues help to sell the product. The result is the Canucks won't get any benefit from either the league or the officals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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