BanTSN Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 A lot of the players in this program are now playing in the World Juniors for the US and while being late rounders some of them, look to be fairly effective players going forward. The program has only been around since 2009-10, but take a look at some names: Matt Nieto - SJ Brandon Saad - Chicago John Hayden - Chicago Tyler Motte - Chicago Ryan Hartman - Chicago Adam Clendening - Chicago Stephen Johns - Chicago Anthony Louis - Chicago Hudson Fasching - LA Derek Forbort - LA Nick Shore - LA Stefan Matteau - NJ John Merrill - NJ Reid Boucher - NJ Miles Wood - NJ Dylan Larkin - Detroit Justin Faulk - Carolina Jason Zucker - Minnesota Alex Tuch - Minnesota Jacob Trouba - Winnipeg John Gibson - Anaheim Connor Murphy - Arizona Anthony DeAngelo - Tampa Bay Will Butcher - Colorado Will Collins - Columbus JT Miller - NYR Seth Jones - Nashville Chase De Leo - Winnipeg Henrik Samuelsson - Arizona Jarred Tinordi - Montreal Mike McCarron - Montreal Sonny Milano - Columbus Jake McCabe - Buffalo JT Compher - Buffalo Connor Carrick - Washington Nicolas Kerdiles - Anaheim Bryan Rust - Pittsburgh Jack Eichel - undrafted Auston Matthews - undrafted Noah Hanifin - undrafted Zach Werenski - undrafted And Thatcher Demko - Vancouver I mean, holy crap, it seems like a one-stop shop. And yet teams like Chicago are the only people to know about it? Strange. The Canucks should definitely start taking more of a look at this resource come draft time, because there are some steals to be had, absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Only AFTER we start paying attention to the Kelowna Rockets first. Severson, Bowey, Keith, Edler, Weber and so many more....ALL in our back yard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActiveDouble Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 There is another intriguing prospect named Erik Foley. He plays in the USHL. He's draft eligible this year. He's putting up some decent numbers. 24 points in 26 games for the Cedar Rapids. He's pretty intriguing and is expected to go around the 2nd/3rd round. I'd love to pick him up with our 3rd if he falls there. He's definitely a speedy, play-maker/sniper with lots of potential. I've been following him lately and despite his decent size for a 17 year old(5'11, 175 pounds), he's really strong. He's those kinds of guys you take around the 3rd round. Just like Anthony Duclair, who is only 10 pounds bigger to Erik Foley. I would really want to take a chance on him. edit: (12 goals, 12 assists) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Yeah those are basically where the best U18/U17 players in the States play some exceptions like Yan, Bittner, Boeser and Novak who play in the WHL, QMJHL and USHL. They get alot of good coaching, play games against the USHL, NCAA and compete together in international competition. Alot of chemistry between all these players aswell, they play together in the U17s and usually the same players go to the U18s the next year so they're together for 2 years. Milano-Eichel-Tuch played for 2 years with the NTDP and could have played together at the World Juniors but Milano didn't get a spot on that line. So the chemistry helps for competition like the U18s, U17s, World Juniors and sometimes even the World Championship. Sometimes they get a bit overrated because the best U18 kids in the States play against the USHL which is pretty weak competition. The USHL could be better but Eichel, Hanifin, Tuch, Werenski, etc all go to the NCAA which leaves not alot of talent in the USHL. That's why sometimes the stats don't tell the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounoush Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Only AFTER we start paying attention to the Kelowna Rockets first. Severson, Bowey, Keith, Edler, Weber and so many more....ALL in our back yard I was so mad when we drafted that useless Mallet instead of Severson. I mean hindsight is 20/20 but everyone could see at the time that was a big mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActiveDouble Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I was so mad when we drafted that useless Mallet instead of Severson. I mean hindsight is 20/20 but everyone could see at the time that was a big mistake. Who knows, that Mallet might have gotten us a future shutdown top 4 d-man. A Pedan/Tryamkin line would be pretty damn intimidating. The Great Russian Shutdown Line! Anyways I do agree that Serverson would definitely have been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdatb Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 There is another intriguing prospect named Erik Foley. He plays in the USHL. He's draft eligible this year. He's putting up some decent numbers. 24 points in 26 games for the Cedar Rapids. He's pretty intriguing and is expected to go around the 2nd/3rd round. I'd love to pick him up with our 3rd if he falls there. He's definitely a speedy, play-maker/sniper with lots of potential. I've been following him lately and despite his decent size for a 17 year old(5'11, 175 pounds), he's really strong. He's those kinds of guys you take around the 3rd round. Just like Anthony Duclair, who is only 10 pounds bigger to Erik Foley. I would really want to take a chance on him. edit: (12 goals, 12 assists) we no have third Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ActiveDouble Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 we no have third Damnit. I forgot. But we could get him if we traded for one back? In all seriousness, he's just an example of kinds of players we should try and get at the 3rd/4th/5th rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 it would be great if we could get dallas' second or third pick...maybe kassian and lack or markstrom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Only AFTER we start paying attention to the Kelowna Rockets first. Severson, Bowey, Keith, Edler, Weber and so many more....ALL in our back yard ^^^^ THIS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 As much as I agree, a few of the guys you list aren't from the NTDP, just played with the WJC team this year: De leo has been a winterhawk since he was 16, Wood is a prep school player, Deangelo played only for Sarnia The program is everything a player could want to be able to develop, and with many of them going NCAA afterwards, it gives the NHL team more time for the guy to develop before having to make a decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 it would be great if we could get dallas' second or third pick...maybe kassian and lack or markstrom. Like someone already mentioned there are a ton of exceptional players that we should take a look at first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Care to make a comparable list for CHL prospects drafted over a similar time and see if they fare better or worse? Then figure that out percentage wise to see if there's really a reason to draft more in the USND than the CHL or overseas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 Care to make a comparable list for CHL prospects drafted over a similar time and see if they fare better or worse? Then figure that out percentage wise to see if there's really a reason to draft more in the USND than the CHL or overseas? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 Especially when the program just started in 2009-10. But if you look at the list of players in the OP, it is good. Very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Care to make a comparable list for CHL prospects drafted over a similar time and see if they fare better or worse? Then figure that out percentage wise to see if there's really a reason to draft more in the USND than the CHL or overseas? Honestly. I'd really like to see that chart or graph over a 3 year period from entrance into league subsequent draft or pass over and overage status If there was a way to include or compare the euro leagues as well over the same time period I'd be ecstatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklax Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Care to make a comparable list for CHL prospects drafted over a similar time and see if they fare better or worse? Then figure that out percentage wise to see if there's really a reason to draft more in the USND than the CHL or overseas? That's apples and oranges: All (the accurate ones) listed come from 1 team. So a better comparison would be Kelowna or London, not an entire league or continent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 No. That's apples and oranges: All (the accurate ones) listed come from 1 team. So a better comparison would be Kelowna or London, not an entire league or continent. I'd liken it to more of a select team since they look to get the pick of the players that are younger (U18, since the USHL is 16-20 year olds) for development to the national teams where teams in the CHL have all the same age range of players and aren't specifically picked with national quality in mind. There have been great players come out of that program, but there's also been Rick DiPietro's (1st overall) and Keith Ballard's (11th overall) that have come out of that program as well, not to mention all the players we never hear about that did nothing in the NHL regardless of draft position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Larkin was an absolute steal for Detroit but it's way too risky to throw a high end pick at a kid from the program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Just draft Zach Werenski and I'll be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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