Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Here are some eyeopening numbers. 26 power play goals scored + 4 shorthanded goals= 30 goals from special teams 18 power play goals allowed + 1 goal allowed on the PP= 19 goals allowed from special teams Total goal differential from special teams +11 80 Goals scored 5 on 5, 4 on 4, 3 on 3 (23rd in the league) 84 Goals allowed 5 on 5, 4 on 4, 3 on 3 (18th in the league) Total goal differential from even strength play -4 The reason the totals don't add up to our goal totals is because empty net goals are not considered even strength. But the point still remains; we are feeding off our special teams, mainly our penalty kill which is second in the league behind chicago. Why does this all matter? Cause a large majority of the game is spent on even strength play. Something startling I noticed was even in our best season ever 2010/2011 we were not even in the top 5 in goals scored 5 on 5 (we were 8th and guess who was number 1.... Boston) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 You're wrong, we are the class of the pacific. -- Mediocre team is mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Sedins are/were power play stallions. Worked against San Jose because Ben Eager etc. Failed against Boston because Chara, Thomas, injuries, etc. Lesson learned here? You Shouldn't Rely on The Power Play to Score This relies too much on the refs making calls, and we all know the whistle pretty much vanishes in the playoffs. This is also part of the persecution complex in Vancouver. The Sedins, being powerplay wizards in their prime, absolutely needed the powerplay to be effective. So when the calls stopped coming, the whining started increasing. And so did the diving. A team that is built properly shouldn't need the powerplay at all to score. A coach should be able to focus on a 5-on-5 deployment strategy and treat powerplays as a bonus. If that is the case, then his team is close to being ready to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 That's actually very interesting and it doesn't bode well for whatever playoff aspirations this team has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Hmm, interesting facts. It's funny because last year we couldn't score on the PP and our PK was good (for a while) and we missed the play-offs. Now we're scoring on the power play and only 4 goals less at even strength, which could easily change in 1 game from a - to a plus +. I'd take these stats this year over last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Tell us something we don't know. Unsustainable is what I said in October and unsustainable is what we have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAntar Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Hmm, interesting facts. It's funny because last year we couldn't score on the PP and our PK was good (for a while) and we missed the play-offs. Now we're scoring on the power play and only 4 goals less at even strength, which could easily change in 1 game from a - to a plus +. I'd take these stats this year over last year. Yes. But I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. Perhaps we could improve our 5on5 goal differential without sacrificing power play percentages? Getting back to breaking out and attacking with possession vs tip-in dump-ins, to me, is the answer. I actually subscribe to the theory that the team should play a little differently through the mid season grind than in the playoffs. This team travels too much and plays too punishing a schedule to play high octane, up tempo hockey all the time. But I do think we could play more of it than we do, especially when games are dreary dullfests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Special teams are part of the game. Also so what Boston was first and we were 8th? We won the Cup had the nhl not changed the rules and Campbell not pulled as many strings as he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Canucks managed to score 5 on 5 tonight. PP was non factor, but PK was perfect again. As long as they can generate some scoring 5 on 5 and avoid giving up goals on the PK, the team should have a decent chance of making the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Canucks managed to score 5 on 5 tonight. PP was non factor, but PK was perfect again. As long as they can generate some scoring 5 on 5 and avoid giving up goals on the PK, the team should have a decent chance of making the playoffs. Yes but we need to be able to do that with the teams in our conference and division as well. Look at the schedule in February- its not even close to how easy as we currently have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Another trend to note is how the California teams simply aren't taking penalties against us. LA: 5 calls in 2 games, just 1 last game. Anaheim: 5 calls in 3 games, just 1 last game. SJ: 1 call in 2 games, 0 last game. And Calgary is learning too. 0 calls last game. Considering this is the regular season when penalties are called more often, that's a bit disturbing. No opportunies for the power play = No chance to use it to win. This is the main reason why you shouldn't rely on it to score. In key instances, such as being down in playoff rounds, series and games, the team will start to look desperate trying to get calls, and that's when the criticism about diving will start to fly. We've seen this already though, so we should know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Special teams are part of the game. Also so what Boston was first and we were 8th? We won the Cup had the nhl not changed the rules and Campbell not pulled as many strings as he did. Oh Jesus. I agree with you that we were treated unfairly by the league but we also got our asses handed to us in 4 games. The league doesn't exactly have the power to make losses that lopsided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Another trend to note is how the California teams simply aren't taking penalties against us. LA: 5 calls in 2 games, just 1 last game. Anaheim: 5 calls in 3 games, just 1 last game. SJ: 1 call in 2 games, 0 last game. And Calgary is learning too. 0 calls last game. Considering this is the regular season when penalties are called more often, that's a bit disturbing. No opportunies for the power play = No chance to use it to win. This is the main reason why you shouldn't rely on it to score. The team will start to look desperate trying to get calls, and that's when the criticism about diving will start to fly. We've seen this already though, so we should know. They are taking penalties, the refs just don't call them. Oh also, rule 621.4, section X (hidden rules) If you are officiating a canucks vs Cali game, please ensure you call the canucks offside on as many offsides as u can, which aren't offside. Ps no penalties vs the cali teams. Make sure u call Vancouver if there's any marginal calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliesStache14 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Special teams are part of the game. Also so what Boston was first and we were 8th? We won the Cup had the nhl not changed the rules and Campbell not pulled as many strings as he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I was hoping we'd moved past this too. Apollo: The California teams control the play against us for the most part, so that's part of the reason for the non-calls. As for Calgary, that was just a slow, slow game, so it might be a one time thing. As for the playoffs, there's no way a team should blame the refs for anything. A team should be prepared to get no calls, and treat power play time as a bonus. If they don't have that attitude, they're likely in for a bad time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 They are taking penalties, the refs just don't call them. Oh also, rule 621.4, section X (hidden rules) If you are officiating a canucks vs Cali game, please ensure you call the canucks offside on as many offsides as u can, which aren't offside. Ps no penalties vs the cali teams. Make sure u call Vancouver if there's any marginal calls. There is no exuse. At the end of the day we should not be relying on the Power play cause most of the game is 5 on 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Funny how when we win games, we have no reaction threads. We lose one game, and Center Disease Control explodes into chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 What is important is the goals for vs the goals against. The Canucks are in the upper 1/3 of the league... not tops. The teams which are excelling in both categories are the Rangers, Predators, Hawks, Blues. Anaheim is not so good in this stat... they have won a lot of 1 goal games... so their record is a bit inflated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 What is important is the goals for vs the goals against. The Canucks are in the upper 1/3 of the league... not tops. The teams which are excelling in both categories are the Rangers, Predators, Hawks, Blues. Anaheim is not so good in this stat... they have won a lot of 1 goal games... so their record is a bit inflated. Anaheim has the lowest goal differential in the top 10, either they have a lot of clutch players or they don't deserve to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 It's not ideal to rely on the powerplay so much to score, but if that's when the Sedins are most effective, then what can you do about it? I'm sure the team would like to be better 5v5, but some things you just can't change (like whistles being put away in the playoffs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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