Time Lord Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 You are wrong about Vey. He was benched multiple times early in the season, in favour of Kassian actually. He has spent nearly the whole season on the 3rd line, with a few games on the 4th and 2nd lines. Currently, he is on the 3rd line. I don't get why people are calling it the 2nd line when Bonino is definitely a better center than him and gets more minutes every game. He is sheltered because he's a rookie who isn't the greatest defensively. Sort of like Hodgson, who we were all okay with until the trade. He was on the first PP unit for like 15 games because he played well there in the preseason and he made it click. But he's not there anymore, so I don't get why people complain about it. In the end, Vey is producing at a 30 point pace on the third line, so there's nothing wrong about keeping him in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Your wrong, Quenville benched Kane back in the day and Richards has been benched on Hawks before. You need to provide some context of why they were benched. All you are doing is advocating benching because you view certain players as lazy or unmotivated based on popular opinion. As a veteran, you need to do something egregious or go against the coach's wishes to get benched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toni Zamboni Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 when do the fire Willie threads start again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Why does Sbisa keep getting ice-time Stanton's playing tonight. Nothing is so egregious with how Desjardins is coaching the team and using players that I see any problem. There's sufficient reason for the things he does as far as I'm concerned. I mean, it's not like he's calling for a pass with an elite running back on 2nd and goal or anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Again, I am not saying Coach Willie D doesn't know what he's doing. In fact I made it very clear how successful he's been in his career. I want to know if people think he plays favorites or at least holds things against players. If he is truly holding everyone accountable why he hasn't sat anyone else. And if he is actually allowing the country club casual attitude of our established core to continue I think that's been covered pretty well in the other thread. Others have been sat, and those that aren't are more veteran players and/or players who are playing a consistent style of hockey (irrespective of how many times they get their names on a score sheet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Stanton's playing tonight. Nothing is so egregious with how Desjardins is coaching the team and using players that I see any problem. There's sufficient reason for the things he does as far as I'm concerned. I mean, it's not like he's calling for a pass with an elite running back on 2nd and goal or anything... This excites me. Although Stanton hasn't been really great this year either, in all fairness lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 The guy (like Tortorella) is doing his best to win with a sub-par roster. Sitting guys with no better replacements for them would be considered tanking by most- not a favourable decision by either management or the fans. He can afford to sit guys like Kass/Vey/Sbisa because even if they have a 'good game' by their standards they are turnover machines. And if we are aiming to make the playoffs that can't happen. Unless told otherwise, I'm fairly certain W.D. will ice the roster that gives us the best chance of winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 You are wrong about Vey. He was benched multiple times early in the season, in favour of Kassian actually. He has spent nearly the whole season on the 3rd line, with a few games on the 4th and 2nd lines. Currently, he is on the 3rd line. I don't get why people are calling it the 2nd line when Bonino is definitely a better center than him and gets more minutes every game. He is sheltered because he's a rookie who isn't the greatest defensively. Sort of like Hodgson, who we were all okay with until the trade. He was on the first PP unit for like 15 games because he played well there in the preseason and he made it click. But he's not there anymore, so I don't get why people complain about it. In the end, Vey is producing at a 30 point pace on the third line, so there's nothing wrong about keeping him in the lineup. Again, at this point I am not saying he is. Coach W has said he will do the accountability thing and punish inconsistency. And IRREGARDLESS (yes, it is a word) of veteran status and contract. He is far from sticking to his word. We have seen an absolute mess of players in the last 2 months and the only real bench warmer is.... When does accountability start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckFan1981 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I think Sbisa is having a good year, overall. He has all kinds of talent being as big and strong as he is, good skater and good shot. He is just trying to limit the bone head plays like shooting it off the glass and out when there is winger there to take a pass. Due to the fact he is only 26, give him time and hopefully in a couple years he will be what people envisioned for him when he was drafted in the first round. He sometimes tries to do too much, and that will go away with experience. That combined with the fact we are a bit slim on defense depth means he gets plenty of icetime, which will help him turn into a monster on D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 i dont like that kass is being benched when hansen higgins sbisa vey bonino biesksa sedin get free reign to do whatever no consequences tortorella of all people had kassian get 27 points last yr soo obviously willie isnt trying to get modt out of our only big physical forward which boggles my mind put him on a line with daniel and bonino get him to sit his fat ass in front of net and get garbage goals on pp he has potential to be a john leclaire just as habs wasted his talents he ripped it up in phili Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 This excites me. Although Stanton hasn't been really great this year either, in all fairness lol. stanton take dumb penalties and cost us a game a few weeks ago wheres his benching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Again, at this point I am not saying he is. Coach W has said he will do the accountability thing and punish inconsistency. And IRREGARDLESS (yes, it is a word) of veteran status and contract. He is far from sticking to his word. We have seen an absolute mess of players in the last 2 months and the only real bench warmer is.... When does accountability start?. im not a fan of the coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 All you need to know - Willie has been making it work with this teams’ sub-par roster. If it wasn't for him and we had practically any other coach, we'd be out of a playoff spot. He can only do so much coaching, the rest is on the players and from what we've seen, Willie has done a phenomenal job. I don't think I could possibly refute this point of view vigorously enough to do the truth justice. I think WillieD has had the exact same affect on this team that Tortorella had over this roster in the first half of last season. Off to a quick start, high in the standings, and then epic collapse. If two coaches can do the same thing in the same period of time with relatively the same roster (except WillieD has an advantage because he has a more stable goaltending situation, and a bona fide sniper in the T6 with Vrbata), and the same results continue... then it's not coaching that's the issue. I believe that this team is incredibly fractured, and it starts and ends with the Sedins. They have grown accustomed to the way things are, always rationalizing, always apologizing, always saying this and that need to be better. I think WillieD is a good enough coach, I think the problem is the core of this team. Sedins, Burrows, Bieksa, and Hamhuis. I think that at the very least until the Sedins are gone, I don't think we will see much different from this team regardless of who the coach or GM are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Lord Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Again, at this point I am not saying he is. Coach W has said he will do the accountability thing and punish inconsistency. And IRREGARDLESS (yes, it is a word) of veteran status and contract. He is far from sticking to his word. We have seen an absolute mess of players in the last 2 months and the only real bench warmer is.... When does accountability start? Kassian got a few games with Bonino though. I would've gone with Kassian>Kenins for the Minnesota game, but Kenins scored so I don't know... The thing is, Kenins wouldn't complain if he got benched because he isn't an established NHL player yet. Kassian is an NHL player, but he hasn't done well this season, and TBH the only reason I want him in the lineup is so his trade value doesn't go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Lord Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 stanton take dumb penalties and cost us a game a few weeks ago wheres his benching Dumb penalties is the like the only downside to his game, as a 3rd pair D-man And his benching just happened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 All you need to know - Willie has been making it work with this teams’ sub-par roster. If it wasn't for him and we had practically any other coach, we'd be out of a playoff spot. He can only do so much coaching, the rest is on the players and from what we've seen, Willie has done a phenomenal job. I don't know about that. I hated AV towards the end like most CDC member but I think AV could've gotten the same result if not better than WD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckFan1981 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 irregardless - a word used by uneducated people intending to sound intelligent. Often the defendant will use this word in court in an attempt to impress the judge and jury (CDC). Educated people notice and those who use this word instantly identify themselves to educated people as being uneducated. Educated people rarely correct them because it helps educated people more easily identify them if they are well groomed (or if they are an anonymous CDC Troll). With that said, I have never heard WillieD try to tell people irregardless is a word. Therefore, regardless of whether irregardless is actually a word or not, I will believe Willie's definition of consistency about the players he coaches on a daily basis over your desire to see Zeke become the player he thinks he already is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuongo Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 If they have a problem with Kassian I hope Willie is working with him to try to get him back on the ice. Rather than just letting him rot. It seems WD does play favorites, Obviously we have no idea whats going on between them but I hope they sort it out. Don't want another locker room cancer. Otherwise I like what WD has done with such an average roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 It’s the coaches job to get the most out of his players. Over the last month he hasn’t been doing that. Burrows, Hansen, Higgins, Dorsett, Vey, All will only 3 points since Jan. Bonino with only 4 points, Kassian with one. What he’s doing we’ve seen over and over. Zero adjustments to the line up. When things start to go south instead of changing things up we see the same old with hopes that we get a different result. Well it’s now February and canucks record in the month of January was an unimpressive .500 hockey. AV at the start of his stint in Vancouver was very successful at juggling things up after players went cold. He gave other players more opportunity and these players starting to run with their new roles. Burrows, Kesler and even Hansen all were benefiters of this. Heck even Kassian was a benefiter of getting to play on a line with the Sedins. Perhaps the 21 year old at the time just couldn’t handle all the pressure of being on the first line of a team that won back to back presidents trophies. I really don’t care how hard the player works, if the skill set is not up to par with the work ethic we still get the same results in the wins loss column. It gets really tired of watching some players work their tail off and still come up short, Anyone else tired of watching Higgins bust in over the blue line and take a wrister right into the crest of the goalie. It’s boring hockey. If we’re going to lose I want to see skill, some excitement, even if that means we are going to experience some player lapses or costly mistakes. It would make way more entertaining hockey then what we’ve been seeing the last 10 games. Zero emotion, zero real scoring chances, guys seem like they are just coming to work and doing their job, no one is really having any fun out there. A bunch of lunch box players and the one player that seems to still enjoy coming to the rink is getting blacklisted by the coach and run out of town because he doesn't fit that type of mold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Why does Sbisa keep getting ice-time Because the D postion is a very polarizing position to play. Nobody seems to notice what Sbisa does right. I'll add that he does seem to show up for optional skates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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