Robongo Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Every media source and human rights group in the area is reporting this. They're also reporting heavy civilian casualties. The attitude that the Russians are heroes for doing exactly the same thing the US is doing is bizarre. lol @ "every media source and human rights group". Do some research on who actually runs the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, the main group that western media quotes You just love eating up western propaganda. Don't know why I waste my time on you, you're hopeless However, astoundingly, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is none of these things. Instead, it is merely a single man, sitting behind a computer in a British apartment, who alleges he receives "phone calls" with information always incriminating the Syrian government, and ever glorifying the "Free Syrian Army." In fact, Reuters even admitted this in their article, "Coventry - an unlikely home to prominent Syria activist," and even concedes that this man, "Rami Abdulrahman," is openly part of the Syrian opposition who seeks the end of the Syrian government. Abdulrahman admits that he had left Syria over 10 years ago, has lived in Britain ever since, and will not return until "al-Assad goes." http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/wests-syrian-narrative-based-on-guy-in.html So much for unbiased observers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robongo Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 "ISIS is not the creation of American inaction, which is what the media is going to tell you. No, they are the product of direct action." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Isis have embedded themselves into Syrian rebel group. Right now the Russians are the good guys actually, not the Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robongo Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Isis have embedded themselves into Syrian rebel group. Right now the Russians are the good guys actually, not the Americans. lies all lies, right taxi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 lies all lies, right taxi? The rebels are a diverse group of people. Their political and religious views range widely. The idea that everyone who is opposed to Assad is part of ISIS is absurd. In Syria the vast majority of US air strikes have focused on supporting Kurdish positions against ISIS advances. Russia meanwhile is carpet bombing all opposition. Both ISIS and Assad are equally bad. Assad has far more deaths on his hands then Isis. Acting like he's the good guy is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Clutch Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 US Senator John McCain has the solution to deal with those evil lying Russian bastards! https://youtu.be/dx6s4jO9xNY Have we come full circle now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electro Rock Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I don't see what's wrong with Assad, you have to be brutal to lead in that region at the best of times let alone when your country is neing overrun by a extremely vicious externally supported insurgency. The U.S., Canada and other firebombed whole cities to the ground when faced with an existencial threat, but are whining because Assad is forced to employ barrel bombs against an army of cannibals and rapists? GTFO!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I don't see what's wrong with Assad, you have to be brutal to lead in that region at the best of times let alone when your country is neing overrun by a extremely vicious externally supported insurgency. The U.S., Canada and other firebombed whole cities to the ground when faced with an existencial threat, but are whining because Assad is forced to employ barrel bombs against an army of cannibals and rapists? GTFO!! Firstly, it's not a contest. You can say both strategies are bad. One being bad, doesn't make the other good. The whole concept of Syria is a privileged Alawite minority ruling over a Sunni majority. The oil fields largely located in the East, towards the Sunni population, but Assad and his foreign backers get all the benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtis Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Russia has barely hit any ISIS targets so far. They've focussed almost all their fire on other rebel groups. It also helps when you aren't worried about collateral damage. The yanks are the worst for that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 The yanks are the worst for that... The Americans are bad, the Russians are worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 The Americans are bad, the Russians are worse. Or so the American media would have you believe. The way I see it is that we don't really know wtf is going on over there unless you're there. Maybe the US is hitting the rebel groups and the Russians are the ones actually hitting Isis. Just good for thought. The only thing we know for sure is that the Americans bombed a hospital, although we are hearing different stories on why they did it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 The Americans are bad, the Russians are worse. I'm not sure how one keeps score for something like that, but right now the Americans are up one Doctors Without Borders hospital to none... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I'm not sure how one keeps score for something like that, but right now the Americans are up one Doctors Without Borders hospital to none... The very fact that he DWB incident is in the media and being discussed tells you everything you need to know. Under a dictatorship, those events do not get used a source of criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Why hasn't Canada been effective against Isis? Because we haven't been doing anything against Isis (in Syria)Canada has attacked inside Syria four times since MarchNew figures show Canada has conducted only a small fraction of allied airstrikes in Iraq and Syria since last year. It was exactly a year ago Wednesday that Parliament voted in favour of sending Canadian military aircraft to the Middle East to participate in the U.S.-led bombing campaign against ISIL. The mission was originally confined to Iraq, but extended into Syria following a contentious debate in March. According to the Department of National Defence, Canadian fighter jets have conducted 172 airstrikes in Iraq and Syria since last October. That accounts for just over 2.3 per cent of the 7,323 total U.S. and allied attacks launched against ISIL targets since the start of the war. The vast majority of those strikes were in Iraq. The Conservative government said in March that sending Canadian military aircraft into Syria was essential for the missions success. But National Defence said only four attacks have been carried out inside that country, which represents 0.15 per cent of allied strikes there. Military officials have previously indicated the low number of attacks in Syria is because the alliance doesnt have very good intelligence on the ground. As a result, Canadian pilots are being extra careful when deciding to drop bombs, for fear of hitting civilian targets. Canada is responsible for nearly 3.6 per cent of all allied airstrikes in Iraq. The war in Syria has taken on new geopolitical proportions with Russian military aircraft and naval ships launching numerous attacks in the country. The strikes have targeted both ISIL and rebels opposed to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, and have included some incursions into Turkish airspace. NATO leaders have condemned the Russias attacks on rebel forces, in particular, but some Iraqi officials have asked Russia to attack ISIL there as well. Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi has so far insisted on co-ordination with the U.S., which American commanders have refused. The request for Russia to extend its military action into Iraq is in part based on religious grounds, as those wanting the Kremlin to become involved are largely Shiite Muslims who are more closely aligned with Iran and view the U.S. and its allies with distrust. Iran is already participating in military action against ISIL. But there is also a large degree of frustration with the slow pace of progress in the Wests fight against ISIL, while Iraqi military commanders have complained about a lack of support in some areas. ISIL still controls a large swath of territory, and continues to threaten Baghdad and other key areas of Iraq. The war against ISIL has figured prominently during the current federal election campaign. Both the NDP and Liberals promise to end Canadas bombing campaign if they form government, and focus instead on helping the four million Syrian refugees. The NDP would also withdraw Canadian military trainers from Iraq. The Conservatives have maintained the need to continue putting military pressure on ISIL or risk having the extremist group use parts of Iraq and Syria as a base to launch terrorist attacks against Canada and the West. While the international intervention against ISIL checked the groups advance on Baghdad last year and pushed it back in some areas, the U.S. militarys top commander said last month that the fight against ISIL was now tactically stalemated. Weve been effective in slowing, and in fact in preventing them regaining any momentum, Gen. Martin Dempsey said. However, he added that a broader approach will be required to deal with the Islamic State and the reasons such extremism continues to be a problem. ISIL is todays manifestation of a much deeper and broader and longer-term issue, he said, which is pervasive instability, disenfranchised groups, ethnic conflict, (and) religious conflict in the Middle East and North Africa that will take a decade or more to resolve. http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/canada-has-attacked-inside-syria-four-times-since-march It appears that staying in or pulling out would make close to zero difference to the effort, and that Harper's been all talk, no action on this issue. Meanwhile he underfunds the military and slashed veteran pensions to shreds. So much for our 'gung-ho' commander in chief. Our involvement with Isis is 99.99% fraudulent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Russia did more damage to ISIS in a week than US in a year... The Yanks aren't looking to beat them despite what the snakes in Washington say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Russia destroys 53 ISIS strongholds, 1 command center, 4 training camps, 7 ammo depots: Russian Air Forces have extended the range of their airstrikes on Islamic State positions in Syria to four provinces, focusing primarily on demolishing fortified installations and eliminating supply bases and the terrorists' infrastructure. Over the last 24 hours Russian aircraft have attacked terrorist positions in the Hama, Idlib, Latakia and Raqqa provinces of Syria. In total, 64 sorties targeted 63 Islamic State installations, among them 53 fortified zones, 7 arms depots, 4 training camps and a command post. The airstrikes were carried out by Sukhoi Su24M and Su-34 bombers and Su-25SM assault aircraft, with Sukhoi Su-30 fighter jets ensuring air escort for the assault groups. “Having accomplished combat assignments, all aircraft of the task force operating in Syria successfully returned to the Khmeimim airbase,” said the spokesperson for the Russian Defense Ministry, Igor Konashenkov. Radio intercept data has revealed “growing panic” among Islamic State militants, according to Konashenkov. He added that IS field commanders have urged senior staff to expedite supply armament and military equipment, as well as to redeploy reinforcements from Raqqa province as a result of Russia’s air bombardment. In the vicinity of the city of Saraqib in northwest Syria, an artillery position known for inflicting strikes on the nearby residential areas has been exposed and eliminated. A group of Sukhoi Su-24M bombers attacked a terrorist field headquarters near the village of Salma in northwest Syria. This command post has been coordinating operations of the militants in whole of the Latakia province. “A direct hit of a guided KAB-500 air bomb completely destroyed a building with militant commanders inside," the Defense Ministry’s spokesperson reported. “The airstrike also eliminated five SUVs with ZU-23 double-barreled 23mm anti-aircraft guns mounted on them that were parked nearby.” A Sukhoi Su-24M bomber attacked a thoroughly concealed position of SUVs with mortar launchers mounted on them near the village of Kafer-Delba. As a result of the attack, a mobile sub-artillery battery consisting of four vehicles was eliminated. Aerial reconnaissance discovered a stronghold of terrorists near the village of Achan. A pinpoint airstrike carried out by Su-24M aircraft eliminated the installation, along with an ammunition and logistics depot. The Russian Defense Ministry’s spokesman, Igor Konashenkov, also said that the Russian and American armed forces have held a second video conference regarding the operation in Syria. The two sides discussed in detail proposals voiced at the first such event and focused on issues of air security to be ensured by both sides, since both US and Russian aircraft are currently operating in Syria’s airspace. The date for the next consultation is to be arranged later. https://www.rt.com/news/318284-russia-syria-isi-airstrike/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHoneyBadger Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Knocking out terrorists to propose up another terrorist (Assad) seems counter intuitive, but the US was doing the same thing for the other side. Russia is doing a fine job there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Another perspective on the conflict. Anyone who isn't watching the Caspian Report should: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Knocking out terrorists to propose up another terrorist (Assad) seems counter intuitive, but the US was doing the same thing for the other side. Russia is doing a fine job there. Assad's hardly a terrorist.. more like a evil dictator who has no boundaries. The thing about the middle east is you can't just bring democracy to that region without first consulting the various groups and factions that live there.. They all have a different perspective of what their ideal view of a country or region should be like. There are even some people who view elections and in-general the idea of democracy as hareem and against Islam. In the case of Iraq after Saddam's ouster they (US+allies) should have broken the country into pieces and handed them to the various ethnic factions in the country. Syria is a rather difficult situation because you have a dictator who is not willing to leave and even propping up various groups against him like ISIS and the rebels barely does anything to him except destroy the country and people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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