FramingDragon Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Thought it'd be helpful to just create a megathread on these vermin and all the things they will continue to do. Most recent development has been the release of the video of the execution of Jordanian pilot Muadh al-Kasasbeh. (I am normally pretty stone faced when watching real gore and violence but this one got to me unlike any other). Jordan plans on executing the captive jihadists within hours. Normally, I'd say "eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" but today, I am glad. These were failed suicide bombers on death row, they were willing to die anyway. Also can't help but think what this does to ISIS's credibility in hostage situations. No one is going to want to make exchanges with them anymore as Jordan was thisclose to handing over the captives they will be executing today in exchange for a man who was long dead. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/03/isis-video-jordanian-hostage-burdning-death-muadh-al-kasabeh The Jordanian government has vowed “punishment and revenge” against Islamic State after the jihadi group released a video showing a Jordanian pilot they were holding hostage being burned to death inside a locked cage. Displaying a level of brutality shocking even by the standards of the group’s previous beheadings and mass killings, the murder of First Lieutenant Muadh al-Kasasbeh is likely to heighten tensions further in Jordan, a key Arab member of US-led coalition against Isis. The kingdom has rounded up scores of jihadist sympathisers since the summer. Jordan responded immediately by scheduling for Wednesday the executions of five convicted terrorists, including the failed suicide bomber whom the group had wanted to trade. Sajida al-Rishawi, whom Isis had wanted to swap for Japanese journalist, Kenji Goto, was one of five death row inmates moved to a prison where executions take place in Jordan. The group was transferred to Wastaqa prison within hours of the horrific video being uploaded. In a short televised address, Jordan’s King Abdullah II called Kasasbeh’s killing an act of “cowardly terror by a criminal group that has no relation to Islam ... It’s the duty of all citizens to stand together.” Abdullah cut short a visit to the United States to return home after the video was released but the White House said he would meet with Barack Obama before he left. Confirming the death of the pilot, Jordan’s army spokesman Col Mamdouh al-Ameri said in a televised statement that Jordan would deliver a “strong, earth-shaking” response. Officials in Amman were also quick to react. “The military forces announce that the hero pilot, Muadh al-Kasasbeh, has fallen as a martyr, and ask God to accept him with the martyrs,” said armed forces spokesman Mamdouh al-Ameri. “While the military forces mourn the martyr, they emphasise his blood will not be shed in vain. Our punishment and revenge will be as huge as the loss of the Jordanians.” The US, which has led an airforce coalition against Isis, moved rapidly to denounce the killing, saying it would lead to a redoubling of efforts to degrade the terror group. Barack Obama said the video, if authenticated, would be another sign of the “viciousness and barbarity” of the militant group. “Whatever ideology they’re operating off of, it’s bankrupt,” Obama told reporters. He added that the video would redouble the determination of the US-led coalition fighting the group in Syria and Iraq. David Cameron condemned the pilot’s murder as “sickening” and said it would “strengthen our resolve” to defeat Isis. The ordeal of Kasasbeh had captivated Jordan, with many of its citizens increasingly rallying behind the fight against the terror group after he was shot down. However, at a tribal meeting place where the pilot’s relatives have waited for weeks for word on his fate, chants against Jordan’s king erupted and some family members wept after news of his death was announced. An uncle shouted in Arabic: “I received a phone call from the chief of staff saying God bless his soul.” Before his death, Kasasbeh was forced to reveal the names and workplaces of many fellow pilots in the Royal Jordanian Air Force. Their photographs appeared at the end of a 23-minute video depicting his death, along with an offer of a bounty of 100 gold dinars (roughly $20,000) for each pilot killed. In the video, which was widely circulated on Tuesday night, Kasasbeh, was walked through the ruins of a building, which appeared to have been destroyed by an air strike. He was then seen in a cage at the same site, with a line of flames, ignited by an Isis militant, creeping towards the cage, then engulfing him. Earlier in the video, Kasasbeh, dressed in an orange jumpsuit, gave an account of his bombing run over Syria, which ended with his F-16 fighter jet crashing just outside the Isis stronghold of Raqqa. Officials in Amman said Kasasbeh was killed on 3 January, around three weeks before Isis had offered to trade Goto for Rishawi, who was sentenced to death for a 2005 bombing campaign in central Amman. The jihadis had not offered Kasasbeh for Rishawi, but had suggested that his life would be spared if she was handed over. Jordanian officials baulked at the deal, despite the pleadings of Japanese leaders, insisting that Isis provide proof that he was still alive. As five tense days of discussions wore on, government officials increasingly hinted that Kasasbeh may have been killed and that the swap would not proceed. Goto was beheaded, apparently a short time after a deadline of sunset last Thursday that was set by his captors for Rishawi to be delivered to them. He was the only pilot to have been shot down so far in the six-month air campaign, which has dropped more than 1,800 bombs on the terror group, slowing its momentum but not yet denying the group’s strategic goal of consolidating its hold over a swath of land the size of Jordan stretching from the eastern edge of Aleppo to central Iraq. Jordan had played a prominent, though low key, role in supporting rebels for opposition groups fighting Bashar al-Assad - a policy which was primarily aimed at stopping the insurgency from spreading to its territory. It later signed up to the US-led air coalition, to fight Isis, which had splintered the original opposition in northern and eastern Syria and had attempted to transform the war into a regional and global sectarian conflict. The Jordanian air force had been flying regular missions over Syria and Iraq before Kasasbeh was shot down over Raqqa on 4 December. Isis has suffered an estimated 4,000 casualties, 1,400 of them in the border town of Kobani, which fell last week to Kurdish fighters after a four-month battle. The air coalition dropped on Kobani more than one third of all the ordinance it has used throughout the campaign and proved decisive in the fight, which was a major setback for Isis. The militant group released an “interview” with the fighter pilot in their English language publication Dabiq magazine at the end of December. In the article the pilot is claimed to have ejected from his aircraft, landing in the Euphrates river, where he was then said to be captured by Isis militants. Rishawi, 44, had been sentenced to death after being convicted for her part in an al-Qaida attack on a string of hotels in Amman in 2005 that killed 60 people. That attack was a seminal moment in the arc of Isis - directly leading to one of it’s biggest setbacks, the killing of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the then head of the Islamic State of Iraq - an earlier incarnation of the terror group now controlling much of eastern Syria and western Iraq. Rishawi was captured after one of three explosions in central Amman, on 9 November 2005 that were ordered by Zarqawi. Her husband, Ali Hussein al-Shamari detonated his bomb in the Radison SAS hotel, but Reshawi’s bomb was faulty. The Amman bombings led Jordan to intensify efforts to find Zarqawi, a Jordanian citizen, and to crack down on a network he had cultivated within the Kingdom. The bombings are widely viewed within the organisation as a mistake, that derailed the group’s momentum for several years. Now though, with an estimated 25,000 battle hardened fighters, and tens of thousands more people who have joined the group out of fear or coercion, Isis poses a formidable threat to stability in the region and the nation state boundaries that were carved out of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. Jordan and Saudi Arabia are both considered illegitimate states by the group, which has pledged to topple their respective monarchies and export its draconian reading of Islamic tradition across the Arab world. Timeline 4 December 2014: First lieutenant Muadh al-Kasasbeh, 26, is captured after his F-16 fighter jet crashes near Raqqa, northern Syria. Jordan is part of the US-led military coalition that has been carrying out air strikes against Isis targets since September. King Abdullah of Jordan has said the campaign against the extremists is a battle over values but participation in the air strikes is not popular among Jordanians. 24 December 2014: Isis releases video appearing to show the pilot in the moments after the crash being escorted away by armed militants. 25 December: Safi Yousef al-Kasasbeh, the father of the pilot, makes a plea for the release of son, asking the militants to treat him “like a Muslim”. 28 December: A social media campaign of solidarity with the Jordanian pilot goes viral in Arab countries. Jordan’s Queen Rania was one of the first to join. 28 January 2015: Jordan says it is willing to hand over Sajida al-Rishawi, a prisoner in Jordan who was captured after being sent on an al-Qaida bombing mission, if its captured pilot is released. Jordan reportedly conducts indirect, behind-the-scenes negotiations through tribal leaders in neighbouring Iraq. 3 February 2015: Isis militants claim to have killed Kasasbeh by burning him alive in a cage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 You beat me to the post while I was making mine. I'm sure the mods will delete my erased post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 ISIS the cancer of Islam.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FramingDragon Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 ISIS the cancer of Islam.. Wahhabi Salafism is the giant pimple, ISIS is the oozing pus. If that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Wahhabi Salafism is the giant pimple, ISIS is the oozing pus. If that makes sense. Makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Day Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Extremism is at the core of Islam, those ISIS bastards want every westerner dead, and there are TONS of them, its so messed up. If the crap hits the fan are all of these Muslims going to be on Canada's side? the Western worlds side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 finally a milatery army that is not part of Iraq or Syria. Jordan will give ISIS a fight they will never forget. Jordan is no slouch, their army is far dicipline, way ta go wake up a sleeping Giant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FramingDragon Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Extremism is at the core of Islam, those ISIS bastards want every westerner dead, and there are TONS of them, its so messed up. If the crap hits the fan are all of these Muslims going to be on Canada's side? the Western worlds side? lmao How disillusioned do you have to be to think that ISIS is a Muslim vs. non Muslim issue? Who do you think have been doing the bulk of the fighting against ISIS ever since they started out? Other Muslims. Who do you ISIS has been mercilessly executing since their formation? Other Muslims. Kurds, Shia Muslims, the average Syrian and Iraqi have a million and one more reasons to hate and fear ISIS than your Canadian arse. And they have been bearing the load for the rest of the world. get over yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 ISIS the cancer of Islam.. Wahhabi Salafism is the giant pimple, ISIS is the oozing pus. If that makes sense. I'd say the 'giant pimple' with regard to Islam is ignorance as opposed to some FOX News catch-phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FramingDragon Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 I'd say the 'giant pimple' with regard to Islam is ignorance as opposed to some FOX News catch-phrase. "Ignorance" is too easy to use as an explanation and gets us nowhere. It's not a FOX News catch-phrase, as much as I wish it was, and I am saying that as a Muslim myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Normally, I'd say "eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" but today, I am glad. I like to think that I could be like Peter Kassigs parents Ed and Paula and forgive those who wronged me by killing my son . My experience with revenge is that it eats you up , consumes you and my life only became better/happier when i forgave the person who had wronged/shot me. An eye for an eye only enables the cirlce of hatred to continue , the best revenge is to live well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 isis continues to shock the world this scewed vision of islam is akin to nazis in the 1930s. 70 yr old dirty mfs taking 15 yr old brides and swapping sex slaves after executing their brothers fathers treating women like cattle. Burning and decapitating innocent people, killing 2000 men in a ditch at breakfast. When will the west wake up! ive met many nice muslims in my travels in south east asia. They live peacefully ive never had a problem there they always seemed kind to me but i did get a bad vibe in malayasia when i taked to this muslim cleric from morroco. i bartend though i didnt tell him this he was hardcore brainwashed telling me if u drink booze you be more likely to murder children and bs like this. His ideology was extreme and hes exactly the kid of person that would love isis. The west should for one keep closer recon on terrir cells in britain these douche bags protest in london about how the west is evil. If its evil get the hell out of our countries they should be kicked out of the countries on first plane out having there citizenship taken away and assets frozen. anyone running a jihadi website same thing goes and all these internet site shoukd be closed permanently. Sorry to say china and russia have it right a 20 cent bullet is really all these extremists deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 "Ignorance" is too easy to use as an explanation and gets us nowhere. It's not a FOX News catch-phrase, as much as I wish it was, and I am saying that as a Muslim myself. I disagree. For centuries the greatest of Muslim scholars have and continue to preach about, teach about and warn about the dangers of ignorance etc. with regard to Islam. Though Islamic scholars have been using the term "salafi' for centuries, I have not really seen any scholarly work on the topic of "Wahhabi Salafism". Not to mention that ignorance can lead to extremes on all ends of the spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FramingDragon Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 I disagree. For centuries the greatest of Muslim scholars have and continue to preach about, teach about and warn about the dangers of ignorance etc. with regard to Islam. Though Islamic scholars have been using the term "salafi' for centuries, I have not really seen any scholarly work on the topic of "Wahhabi Salafism". Not to mention that ignorance can lead to extremes on all ends of the spectrum. Wahhabi is a form of Salafism. You can argue of semantics all you like to make excuses, but the modern association of the word has very marked distinctions. Wahhabism generally refers to the Salafism adopted by the Saudi government (although many like to differentiate between the two), but Salafism in general is a strict literal interpretation of Islam with very little room for jurisprudence. Ibn Abd al-Wahhab took Salafi foundations and designed what he felt was the correct machinations for the Sauds in Diriyah. It has remained since. Your point about the term being used for centuries by scholars is irrelevant imo, because Salafi da'wah and sponsorship has fueled a huge majority of the Muslim extremism that has grown in the current political climate. Political situations have been intricately connected with propagating the Salafi interpretation of Islam, and to me this is a huge issue. It's easy to blame Israel, US and FOX news but the fact of the matter remains that Salafism is the tool used to recruit jihadists. I have no tolerance for it, in my mosque or in my community or this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 finally a milatery army that is not part of Iraq or Syria. Jordan will give ISIS a fight they will never forget. Jordan is no slouch, their army is far dicipline, way ta go wake up a sleeping Giant. Doubtful. Jordan wants no part of this. The last thing they need is more unrest. If this war spills across their border, who knows what kind of effect it will have on sympathetic portions of the Jordanian population. Not to mention the half of the country that is Palestinian but denied full citizenship. Abdullah is one of the last remaining strongmen in the region. I doubt he's willing to risk it all over this. I think we see some tough talk followed by construction of a wall to keep the madness out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 *Daesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaimito Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 lmao How disillusioned do you have to be to think that ISIS is a Muslim vs. non Muslim issue? Who do you think have been doing the bulk of the fighting against ISIS ever since they started out? Other Muslims. Who do you ISIS has been mercilessly executing since their formation? Other Muslims. Kurds, Shia Muslims, the average Syrian and Iraqi have a million and one more reasons to hate and fear ISIS than your Canadian arse. And they have been bearing the load for the rest of the world. get over yourself. Well said. A former ISIS captive recently said that a Quaran was not in sight while he was in captivity. It's all political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Well said. A former ISIS captive recently said that a Quaran was not in sight while he was in captivity. It's all political. Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
key2thecup Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 What they did to that pilot..... these people are demonic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 What they did to that pilot..... these people are demonic. He wasn't dead enough so they dumped a truck load of rocks on him. Pretty gnarly though. His face melted off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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