thejazz97 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I've brought this up briefly in a thread before, but should the NHL keep the same odds, but hold the lottery for 3rd pick instead of 1st? It would discourage tanking, as the worst team has the best chance to get third pick. And it would still provide competition at the end of the year, with the bottom 3 teams scrambling to somehow maneuver into second or third place. Another bright side is that if a team like LA or San Jose misses the playoffs, they don't have a chance at players like McDavid or Eichel, but still some top talent. Do you guys think it could work? Any thoughts to make it better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 So then teams would be trying their best to be 2nd worst? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I think the best way to discourage tanking would be to have all teams who miss the playoffs have an equal chance at the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 So then teams would be trying their best to be 2nd worst? Something like that, yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I feel like in the extreme minority but I don't mind tanking at all. It's not like the Penguins or Chicago is going for a generational talent to get stacked as hell. Only the teams that truly do need the top pick of the year will end up with it. Why would you want a team like Winnipeg or LA who are already great teams on the rise adding onto that while the rest of the teams continue to suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomz Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I say they give the best odds to the 3rd last team. That way they can still tank if they want to, but actually have to play well enough not to be last. Bad teams won't be able to pick and choose who they win or lose to so it gives everyone more incentive to play well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I feel like in the extreme minority but I don't mind tanking at all. It's not like the Penguins or Chicago is going for a generational talent to get stacked as hell. Only the teams that truly do need the top pick of the year will end up with it. Why would you want a team like Winnipeg or LA who are already great teams on the rise adding onto that while the rest of the teams continue to suck? Oh man, imagine the kings missing the playoffs and getting McDavid. that would be nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Lord Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Odd idea, but it makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I think the best way to discourage tanking would be to have all teams who miss the playoffs have an equal chance at the pick. But then you'd have good teams who just missed the playoffs, such as an LA type team, potentially getting the 1st overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Oh man, imagine the kings missing the playoffs and getting McDavid. that would be nasty. Yeah that's disgusting to even imagine... But if every team that misses the playoffs has a chance to win the lottery then each team only has 7% chance so there is 93% chance that LA doesn't get McDavid. I actually like the OP's proposal. In soccer, they have relegation and promotion between the premier league and the lower league and this creates some fierce matches between the bottom tier teams and occasionally, a team at the bottom of the standing to beat a team way up in the standings. Maybe a system like this can prevent the GM's of bad teams to sell all of his assets, which will surely create some competition between the bad teams. Instead of 3rd lowest, maybe the cutoff should be at the 8th lowest to get the highest odd? So the highest odds to be assigned to the 8th worst team, then the 7th, down to the worst team. And each of the 6 teams (9th to 14th) that missed the playoffs get an equal chances on the remaining odds. The reasoning behind choosing the 8th worst team is with the assumption that the teams 9th to 14th were probably in the playoff hunt at some point or at least until the trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 This is not where I thought you'd be going when I saw the thread title. It's an interesting idea. It's not a perfect fix, but it's an interesting idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I think the best way to discourage tanking would be to have all teams who miss the playoffs have an equal chance at the pick. You would still need to weight it a bit probably, but much less towards the worst team and have the ability to move up or down freely depending on the lottery (not limited to 4 spots). The bottom 5 teams should have a slightly better chance at the top pick (say 10% each) than the teams who are better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 It's an interesting idea but it seems to me that if as Wikipedia says the #30 team has a 20% chance of winning the lottery, the chance of the #30 (ie best tanking team) getting 1st overall would increase from 20% under the current system to 80% under the proposal. It makes tanking more attactive rather than less. I'm inclined to favour a lottery ball being selected for 1st overall followed by a 2nd lottery ball being selected for 2nd overall. That would give the worst team the best chance but make it most likely that the #30 team would pick 3rd, hardly worth tanking for. 20% chance source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL_Entry_Draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
two drink minimum Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Set up the draft as a rotational order. 1st pick this year gets 30th next year. 2nd pick this year gets 1st next year and then 30th the year after that. 3rd pick this year gets 2nd next year and 1st the year after that. Each team would get the #1 OA pick every 30 years. Each team gets closer to the #1 pick every year. After a team gets the #1 pick they move to the back of the draft and pick 30th and make their way back to #1 OAeg assuming the standings at seasons end remain the same as they currently are2015 draft order would be;1)Buf2.Ari3.Edm4.Tor5.Car6.CBJ7.NJ8.Phi9.Dal...28.Stl29.NYR30.Ana2016 draft order1.Ari2.Edm3.Tor...28.NYR29.Ana30.Buf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 Set up the draft as a rotational order. 1st pick this year gets 30th next year. 2nd pick this year gets 1st next year and then 30th the year after that. 3rd pick this year gets 2nd next year and 1st the year after that. Each team would get the #1 OA pick every 30 years. Each team gets closer to the #1 pick every year. After a team gets the #1 pick they move to the back of the draft and pick 30th and make their way back to #1 OA eg assuming the standings at seasons end remain the same as they currently are 2015 draft order would be; 1)Buf 2.Ari 3.Edm 4.Tor 5.Car 6.CBJ 7.NJ 8.Phi 9.Dal... 28.Stl 29.NYR 30.Ana 2016 draft order 1.Ari 2.Edm 3.Tor... 28.NYR 29.Ana 30.Buf Good idea, but problem. What if Edmonton wins the cup (God forbid - seriously) in 2016? Would they still get 1st pick in 2017? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 This. Two tier. Send the worst team(s) off to the AHL or something. Edmonton would be in the middle of the pack in that league by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdatb Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I feel like in the extreme minority but I don't mind tanking at all. It's not like the Penguins or Chicago is going for a generational talent to get stacked as hell. Only the teams that truly do need the top pick of the year will end up with it. Why would you want a team like Winnipeg or LA who are already great teams on the rise adding onto that while the rest of the teams continue to suck? Agreed. The system right now is fine, IMO. EDIT: And to the people throwing out the percentage numbers again, and using them completely incorrectly - your elementary school teachers would be ashamed of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I would say that the changes happening this year and next should be enough. It won't be to the point where all 14 teams have equal chances, but the odds are much more even, making tanking a very risky maneuver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senpai Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 This. Two tier. Send the worst team(s) off to the AHL or something. Doesn't work for hockey. Would never happen in the NHL, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 i think they should keep the format they have but no automatic picks...if you end up 30th, and you don't get picked until 4th or 5th, then so be it...the luck of the draw...odds are still in your favour.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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